New Tent 2020: Why I'm Switching From The Zpacks Duplex To The Tarptent StratoSpire Li
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Date: 2020-08-18
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Fraser
Why on earth would anyone think that a double walled tent would do better with condensation? You are still breathing out the same amount of water vapour and it is still going to condense on the fly if the conditions are right. This is true if you have a full mesh inner, solid inner or no inner at all. In fact - if you have a fully sealed inner then you are going to have worse ventilation not better. This is one of those really odd bits of hiker myth that seem to just get repeated ad nauseum without any kind of factual basis. True a double wall tent might protect you from contacting/brushing against the condensation on the outer - and it will be in general warmer - but it can't reduce the amount of condensation. Basically if the temperature inside the tent drops below the dew point, then moisture will condense on the walls. The way to prevent this is to have the moist air inside your tent be replaced by drier air from outside - i. e. ventilation. If you think about it any inner is always going to some extent trap air and hinder it moving - no matter what it is made of - so it is always going to create the conditions for more not less condensation.
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Why on earth would anyone think that a double walled tent would do better with condensation? You are still breathing out the same amount of water vapour and it is still going to condense on the fly if the conditions are right. This is true if you have a full mesh inner, solid inner or no inner at all. In fact - if you have a fully sealed inner then you are going to have worse ventilation not better. This is one of those really odd bits of hiker myth that seem to just get repeated ad nauseum without any kind of factual basis. True a double wall tent might protect you from contacting/brushing against the condensation on the outer - and it will be in general warmer - but it can't reduce the amount of condensation. Basically if the temperature inside the tent drops below the dew point, then moisture will condense on the walls. The way to prevent this is to have the moist air inside your tent be replaced by drier air from outside - i. e. ventilation. If you think about it any inner is always going to some extent trap air and hinder it moving - no matter what it is made of - so it is always going to create the conditions for more not less condensation.
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Wendy
Dixie, I took a nap and dreamed of you. You were driving a yellow VW Bug and were here in NC. We all did a double-take and said, Is that Dixie? and your dark glasses and braid resulted in a Yup. Then, you parked and got out of the car with Fancy, who was jumping all around and rolling in dandelions. Suddenly, we were in Brevard at a waterfall. Somebody said, Damn, these bugs are bad! and you said, Draw a golden mesh force field in the air around you with your finger and the bugs can't get thru! We looked at you and you had a, like. golden goddess bubble of soft mesh light all around you like a huge halo! Then you laughed and said, It's double-sided! and you melted - vanished into the waterfall mist. And I woke up laughing. Pretty cool, huh? LOL!
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Dixie, I took a nap and dreamed of you. You were driving a yellow VW Bug and were here in NC. We all did a double-take and said, Is that Dixie? and your dark glasses and braid resulted in a Yup. Then, you parked and got out of the car with Fancy, who was jumping all around and rolling in dandelions. Suddenly, we were in Brevard at a waterfall. Somebody said, Damn, these bugs are bad! and you said, Draw a golden mesh force field in the air around you with your finger and the bugs can't get thru! We looked at you and you had a, like. golden goddess bubble of soft mesh light all around you like a huge halo! Then you laughed and said, It's double-sided! and you melted - vanished into the waterfall mist. And I woke up laughing. Pretty cool, huh? LOL!
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Mike
Hey Dixie, Great information, especially for impulsive buyers like myself, i love the videos, i noticed you had mentioned in one of them something about wanting to be a homesteader, i was wondering if you have ever seen the video series of the guy here on YouTube titled My self Reliance he has a whole series of videos much like yourself, and in one of them he actually speaks lol and explains that he had very little building skill and learned everything basicly by reading and winging it, defying the doubters much like yourself he set out for two years to the wilderness to build his dreams, you should check him out some time, he's basicly the male version of you, very determined with a relentless work ethic! i think you'll enjoy watching him.
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Hey Dixie, Great information, especially for impulsive buyers like myself, i love the videos, i noticed you had mentioned in one of them something about wanting to be a homesteader, i was wondering if you have ever seen the video series of the guy here on YouTube titled My self Reliance he has a whole series of videos much like yourself, and in one of them he actually speaks lol and explains that he had very little building skill and learned everything basicly by reading and winging it, defying the doubters much like yourself he set out for two years to the wilderness to build his dreams, you should check him out some time, he's basicly the male version of you, very determined with a relentless work ethic! i think you'll enjoy watching him.
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travel
I just bought the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li, and I too was confused about the oddly shaped DCF scrap patches, but then I had an idea. Get yourself some pocket change and lay out the coins on the DCF scraps until you've found a configuration that utilizes the most surface area. Then trace the coins with a sharpie and cut yourself some nice little round DCF patches! (Regular scissors won't cut DCF neatly, if at all. I recommend buying a small pair of carbon steel shears designed specifically for cutting DCF. By doing this I was able to turn two raggedy scraps into 9 round mini patches: 1 half-dollar size, 2 nickel size, 2 penny size, and 4 dime size.
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I just bought the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li, and I too was confused about the oddly shaped DCF scrap patches, but then I had an idea. Get yourself some pocket change and lay out the coins on the DCF scraps until you've found a configuration that utilizes the most surface area. Then trace the coins with a sharpie and cut yourself some nice little round DCF patches! (Regular scissors won't cut DCF neatly, if at all. I recommend buying a small pair of carbon steel shears designed specifically for cutting DCF. By doing this I was able to turn two raggedy scraps into 9 round mini patches: 1 half-dollar size, 2 nickel size, 2 penny size, and 4 dime size.
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Eric
Great review Dixie. I own a TT Notch Li its semi-solid interior for use herein the mountain west.
You are KEERECT! The Stratospire Li 2 person advantages over the ZPacks Duplex are: 1)-> better design for USEABLE space, ventilation, wind resistance and ease of pitching and 2)->better build quality in excellent reinforcements and stitching. Now made in a top tier Chinese plant this build quality is even better. Henry Shires had a labor shortage that forced him to move Dyneema tent fabrication)
IMHO no tent maker makes better DCF tents than Tarptent.
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Great review Dixie. I own a TT Notch Li its semi-solid interior for use herein the mountain west.
You are KEERECT! The Stratospire Li 2 person advantages over the ZPacks Duplex are: 1)-> better design for USEABLE space, ventilation, wind resistance and ease of pitching and 2)->better build quality in excellent reinforcements and stitching. Now made in a top tier Chinese plant this build quality is even better. Henry Shires had a labor shortage that forced him to move Dyneema tent fabrication)
IMHO no tent maker makes better DCF tents than Tarptent.
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Chris
I just realized I bought a single walled version of this exact tent shape and structure from REI. Its the Flash Air 2 at also around 2 pounds and same place for trekking poles but at only 200ish dollars. Although I'm sure this stratospire will be more durable and also better suited to wet areas than my single walled version I'm happy to see that REI didn't design this non freestanding tent but rather just made a cheaper version. REI stuff can be rough when they try out new designs.
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I just realized I bought a single walled version of this exact tent shape and structure from REI. Its the Flash Air 2 at also around 2 pounds and same place for trekking poles but at only 200ish dollars. Although I'm sure this stratospire will be more durable and also better suited to wet areas than my single walled version I'm happy to see that REI didn't design this non freestanding tent but rather just made a cheaper version. REI stuff can be rough when they try out new designs.
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ANCHOR440
700! My goodness. I recall your other Dynema tent on the pct having pin holes in it. They are light but cost too much. Right now I'm using a bivy because I can't find a long enough tent of reasonable cost and weight. The Nature Hike tent you had is too short for me at 6'4. Keep showing your things. Really enjoy them. ULA's are made in the next town over from me.
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700! My goodness. I recall your other Dynema tent on the pct having pin holes in it. They are light but cost too much. Right now I'm using a bivy because I can't find a long enough tent of reasonable cost and weight. The Nature Hike tent you had is too short for me at 6'4. Keep showing your things. Really enjoy them. ULA's are made in the next town over from me.
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James
Dixie, you need a MSR guardian water purifier its not a filter, i am in search and rescue and I can contest to the reliability of this filter, there a 3 things i never consider when it come to survival or hiking that is water, food, and shelter. Keep up the vids it was quite entertaining watching edt, pct and cdt hikes.
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Dixie, you need a MSR guardian water purifier its not a filter, i am in search and rescue and I can contest to the reliability of this filter, there a 3 things i never consider when it come to survival or hiking that is water, food, and shelter. Keep up the vids it was quite entertaining watching edt, pct and cdt hikes.
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derekspace
Dixie, your content is amazing! I'm 53 and car camp most of the time these days but I learn a lot watching your videos. You have knowledge but also wisdom. Everyone who gets out doors (too few these days) would benefit watching your vids, From the day hiker to the month long trail junkie. Thanks!
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Dixie, your content is amazing! I'm 53 and car camp most of the time these days but I learn a lot watching your videos. You have knowledge but also wisdom. Everyone who gets out doors (too few these days) would benefit watching your vids, From the day hiker to the month long trail junkie. Thanks!
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