2025 Honda Civic Si Review - It's All About The Manual Transmission
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Date: 2024-09-18
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alex_on_autos
Honda really needs to crank up the horsepower and torque on this car.
It's been far too long that the MK8 Golf GTI with the last manual transmission for its 2024MY at 243hp, the Jetta GLI with its secondary refresh now still at 228hp and the out going Forte GT with 201hp and 195lb-ft of tq with its manual transmission have been tearing Honda up.
Yes, the Civic Si was never about horsepower wars like the S550/S650 gen Mustangs, Alpha platform 5th/6th gen Camaros and the LX platform Challenger and Charger brothers, but in all honesty, the Civic Si really needs to be pushing 230-240hp like the AP1 and AP2 S2000s used to be and give it at least 215-225lb-ft of tq to be the true second most powerful Civic in the lineup over the Civic Hybrid and over its competition now that the MK8. 5 Golf GTI is only DCT for the 2025MY (and the 2026MY) as this will be the final gen Golf cars ever built including the MK8. 5 Golf R too, the secondary refresh Jetta GLI, and the new Kia K4.
Staying stagnant at 200hp and 192lb-ft of tq is not a good look for Honda themselves and the Civic Si community. I get it. You can modify it if you want more power, but why ruin the warranty when it should come heavily performed out of the assembly plant line with the warranty
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Honda really needs to crank up the horsepower and torque on this car.
It's been far too long that the MK8 Golf GTI with the last manual transmission for its 2024MY at 243hp, the Jetta GLI with its secondary refresh now still at 228hp and the out going Forte GT with 201hp and 195lb-ft of tq with its manual transmission have been tearing Honda up.
Yes, the Civic Si was never about horsepower wars like the S550/S650 gen Mustangs, Alpha platform 5th/6th gen Camaros and the LX platform Challenger and Charger brothers, but in all honesty, the Civic Si really needs to be pushing 230-240hp like the AP1 and AP2 S2000s used to be and give it at least 215-225lb-ft of tq to be the true second most powerful Civic in the lineup over the Civic Hybrid and over its competition now that the MK8. 5 Golf GTI is only DCT for the 2025MY (and the 2026MY) as this will be the final gen Golf cars ever built including the MK8. 5 Golf R too, the secondary refresh Jetta GLI, and the new Kia K4.
Staying stagnant at 200hp and 192lb-ft of tq is not a good look for Honda themselves and the Civic Si community. I get it. You can modify it if you want more power, but why ruin the warranty when it should come heavily performed out of the assembly plant line with the warranty
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briancorreia2923
When it comes to reverse gear location in the pattern, towards the driver and up is by far the most common placement. I am including commercial weight vehicles in this claim because that’s where a lot of manual transmission still exists. I personally don’t care as long as it is well gated. I could imagine that a person might grow a preference to either what they are most familiar with or perhaps had some bad experiences with poorly gated patterns that made it overly easy to get a gear you weren’t trying to select.
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When it comes to reverse gear location in the pattern, towards the driver and up is by far the most common placement. I am including commercial weight vehicles in this claim because that’s where a lot of manual transmission still exists. I personally don’t care as long as it is well gated. I could imagine that a person might grow a preference to either what they are most familiar with or perhaps had some bad experiences with poorly gated patterns that made it overly easy to get a gear you weren’t trying to select.
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nickgonchar7272
I wonder when car manufacturers realize that spare tire is a safety feature.
I'm not a fan of government intrusions, but I think that at least providing a space for spare tire should be LEGISLATED.
I have no problem paying few hundreds to have it.
Like belts and airbags, you hope you never need them. But when you do, you really need them.
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I wonder when car manufacturers realize that spare tire is a safety feature.
I'm not a fan of government intrusions, but I think that at least providing a space for spare tire should be LEGISLATED.
I have no problem paying few hundreds to have it.
Like belts and airbags, you hope you never need them. But when you do, you really need them.
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Stuka87
Reverse should always be next to first IMO. Not only does it prevent you from accidentally hitting reverse while driving, but it makes maneuvering in parking lots just easier with them right next to each other. An interesting note is cable operated shifters pretty much always have reverse to the lower right. While RWD transmissions tend to have it by first.
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Reverse should always be next to first IMO. Not only does it prevent you from accidentally hitting reverse while driving, but it makes maneuvering in parking lots just easier with them right next to each other. An interesting note is cable operated shifters pretty much always have reverse to the lower right. While RWD transmissions tend to have it by first.
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SirOsisofLiver
In 2019 it came down to the 35th Anniversary GLI and Si for me. In went with the GLI because the Si had ridiculous rev hang, odd clutch take-up, and a crunchy 2-3 shift. The rest of the car was fine. The styling was a bit much but not a deal breaker.
Four trouble free years with the GLI, and I would still lean in that direction, I think.
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In 2019 it came down to the 35th Anniversary GLI and Si for me. In went with the GLI because the Si had ridiculous rev hang, odd clutch take-up, and a crunchy 2-3 shift. The rest of the car was fine. The styling was a bit much but not a deal breaker.
Four trouble free years with the GLI, and I would still lean in that direction, I think.
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meemka8251
Great review and comparison, Alex! The 20-year old in me would choose the SI with no hesitation. The more mature me would prefer the Hybrid for its efficiency, comfort, etc. One issue with SI is its availability- they don't make many, and dealer markups that inevitably follow. Still, it's a great car for an enthusiast driver.
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Great review and comparison, Alex! The 20-year old in me would choose the SI with no hesitation. The more mature me would prefer the Hybrid for its efficiency, comfort, etc. One issue with SI is its availability- they don't make many, and dealer markups that inevitably follow. Still, it's a great car for an enthusiast driver.
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coder543
With how cheap LEDs are these days, I struggle to believe manufacturers are actually saving money by using incandescent turn signals or incandescent anything else. It just feels like pure product differentiation to say this is a cheap vehicle, and it will be more annoying to maintain.
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With how cheap LEDs are these days, I struggle to believe manufacturers are actually saving money by using incandescent turn signals or incandescent anything else. It just feels like pure product differentiation to say this is a cheap vehicle, and it will be more annoying to maintain.
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nickgonchar7272
What a fancy toy car!
As opposed to a real car -- Civic Hybrid.
I'm a happy 22 Civic (non-turbo) owner, will surely buy Civic Hybrid as soon as the last wheel falls off my current Civic.
Presumably in 15 years or so.
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What a fancy toy car!
As opposed to a real car -- Civic Hybrid.
I'm a happy 22 Civic (non-turbo) owner, will surely buy Civic Hybrid as soon as the last wheel falls off my current Civic.
Presumably in 15 years or so.
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MonkeyPower55
It’s not about the 0-60 times. It’s about the fun. You can buy really fast cars especially EVs but few would argue they are more fun. Also when all the manuals are gone in 5, 10 years cars like the Si will be collector cars.
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It’s not about the 0-60 times. It’s about the fun. You can buy really fast cars especially EVs but few would argue they are more fun. Also when all the manuals are gone in 5, 10 years cars like the Si will be collector cars.
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c. c. 5472
Hey Alex, good review really like the manual option. I’m a long time rower and really prefer reverse on the left ahead of 1st. To me it makes much more sense than having it over by 6thbut then I guess its what you get used to.
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Hey Alex, good review really like the manual option. I’m a long time rower and really prefer reverse on the left ahead of 1st. To me it makes much more sense than having it over by 6thbut then I guess its what you get used to.
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TheKingkingg
Awesome engineering which is so underrated as usual. Awesome reliability, Awesome crash test rating, Awesome tech and fun. integra is going to benefit even more sales would increase with more colours and options
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Awesome engineering which is so underrated as usual. Awesome reliability, Awesome crash test rating, Awesome tech and fun. integra is going to benefit even more sales would increase with more colours and options
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robertMSP19
NOT GON' LIE--the 11th gen Civic (especially sedan) is absolutely gorgeous from the outside, not bad from the inside too. BUT, I hear it's less dynamic than the 10th gen and slower: (
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NOT GON' LIE--the 11th gen Civic (especially sedan) is absolutely gorgeous from the outside, not bad from the inside too. BUT, I hear it's less dynamic than the 10th gen and slower: (
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rightlanehog3151
Alex and Travis, It is refreshing to see you driving a manual and it is good to see the Si lives on. Let's hope the Si lives on long enough to become a real hatchback some day.
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Alex and Travis, It is refreshing to see you driving a manual and it is good to see the Si lives on. Let's hope the Si lives on long enough to become a real hatchback some day.
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nathanwright8616
i miss the 1. 5t. i LOVE the very nice ticky sound it has when it’s idling. i have a soft spot with the last gen accords, civics, and crvs with that engine bc of the sound
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i miss the 1. 5t. i LOVE the very nice ticky sound it has when it’s idling. i have a soft spot with the last gen accords, civics, and crvs with that engine bc of the sound
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JoKIA_-100
I’ve considered the Si for the past 5 years or so. If they’d offer one in a hatchback (I had a 1984 Civic S hatchback) then I’d pull the trigger.
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I’ve considered the Si for the past 5 years or so. If they’d offer one in a hatchback (I had a 1984 Civic S hatchback) then I’d pull the trigger.
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dg7438
It's basically a sporty economy car. Performance just does not that impressive. I'd rather have a Jetta GLI to be honest.
Ideally, I prefer hatchback.
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It's basically a sporty economy car. Performance just does not that impressive. I'd rather have a Jetta GLI to be honest.
Ideally, I prefer hatchback.
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Mr99Burns
Black wheels and black headliner trend
Be nice to see lighter color interior options even my 88 civic had red suede seats front and rear
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Black wheels and black headliner trend
Be nice to see lighter color interior options even my 88 civic had red suede seats front and rear
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user-ss3ud7pp7f
My first stick shift 70s Volkswagen had reverse down and to the left so that’s why I’m stuck with thinking that’s the best.
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My first stick shift 70s Volkswagen had reverse down and to the left so that’s why I’m stuck with thinking that’s the best.
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tim3172
I think everyone should spend $300 to burn through tires to replace them with all-seasons.
Is this some kind of a joke
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I think everyone should spend $300 to burn through tires to replace them with all-seasons.
Is this some kind of a joke
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