New vs Old Land Rover Defender: Up-Hill DRAG RACE & Off-Road Battle!
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Date: 2022-04-11
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Comments and reviews: 10
Giove
Any comparison miss to be onest, because you can't compare 20k vs 50k $ vehicle.
Add 10k $ elaboration kits to old Defender, choose a really hard path and drive for miles far away from repair stations. after you do that you can state the winner!
Differential locking is really far better in offroad than traction control expecially for a long slope, where brakes becomes hot with traction control.
In the end, where you put the taste of being the cause of your offroad success with your driving ability and a raw old Defender, in front of being a dummy driver pressing some buttons and having the car doing the job for you?
At this point you can consider that most places are reachable by common roads. using offroad patterns is a matter of challenge. if the car do much job by itself there is no pleasure.
These new -all electronic car- are for lazy people with big money, but poor driving abilities and no capacity of enjoying life.
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Any comparison miss to be onest, because you can't compare 20k vs 50k $ vehicle.
Add 10k $ elaboration kits to old Defender, choose a really hard path and drive for miles far away from repair stations. after you do that you can state the winner!
Differential locking is really far better in offroad than traction control expecially for a long slope, where brakes becomes hot with traction control.
In the end, where you put the taste of being the cause of your offroad success with your driving ability and a raw old Defender, in front of being a dummy driver pressing some buttons and having the car doing the job for you?
At this point you can consider that most places are reachable by common roads. using offroad patterns is a matter of challenge. if the car do much job by itself there is no pleasure.
These new -all electronic car- are for lazy people with big money, but poor driving abilities and no capacity of enjoying life.
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Mat
Well done on basing the review on only about 1/3 of the reasons we own/use (original) Defenders/Series.
The rest of the time we want to know that they are cheap and easy to fix, with quick to bolt on/off parts and plenty of access. We then also want to know that we can chuck stuff in it like hay, feed bags, and mucky kit, and be happy rinsing it out with a hose rather than have to do a full valet. And then, last bit definitely not least: ANYONE who-s owned a modern Land Rover know that their electrics and computers are APPALLING! All those screens and soft touch buttons are great to look at, but I don-t know a single owner of a modern era Range Rover or Discovery who has had to return their car to the dealer multiple times for such issues. I loved my Rangey when it worked, but it averaged 3 or 4 service visits a year for electrics/loom etc.
So, for the job my 90 does, you-ll never catch me buying one of the new versions.
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Well done on basing the review on only about 1/3 of the reasons we own/use (original) Defenders/Series.
The rest of the time we want to know that they are cheap and easy to fix, with quick to bolt on/off parts and plenty of access. We then also want to know that we can chuck stuff in it like hay, feed bags, and mucky kit, and be happy rinsing it out with a hose rather than have to do a full valet. And then, last bit definitely not least: ANYONE who-s owned a modern Land Rover know that their electrics and computers are APPALLING! All those screens and soft touch buttons are great to look at, but I don-t know a single owner of a modern era Range Rover or Discovery who has had to return their car to the dealer multiple times for such issues. I loved my Rangey when it worked, but it averaged 3 or 4 service visits a year for electrics/loom etc.
So, for the job my 90 does, you-ll never catch me buying one of the new versions.
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IdoubleZA
Yeah the new Defender wins clearing the offroad park the best. Try using that thing every day as a working vehicle, were it gets wet, dirty and hit. One single electronic going bad, can fry the wohle system, seen on a 90k- BMW my friend drives. The broken heater of his doorknobs fried everything. the motor got almost no power and the car died randomly while driving. Would love to have that while using that thing in a remote place or even on a bigger tour crossing countrys. and the driver for the last part wasn't that good. To be fair, if you are a living in a city going to a safe offroad park in a country where supply is good and planing to change your car every 5-10 years, take the new model.
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Yeah the new Defender wins clearing the offroad park the best. Try using that thing every day as a working vehicle, were it gets wet, dirty and hit. One single electronic going bad, can fry the wohle system, seen on a 90k- BMW my friend drives. The broken heater of his doorknobs fried everything. the motor got almost no power and the car died randomly while driving. Would love to have that while using that thing in a remote place or even on a bigger tour crossing countrys. and the driver for the last part wasn't that good. To be fair, if you are a living in a city going to a safe offroad park in a country where supply is good and planing to change your car every 5-10 years, take the new model.
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james
It was blatantly clear which Defender had to, and was going to, win this test. Otherwise, Land Rover wouldn't have lent the vehicles. Both the hill ascent and descent plus the timed lap were totally bigoted in favour of the new version in the way the vehicles were driven and the side of track/course used. Also the narrative and attitude displayed by the presenters was transparent in the bias of the post. Very disappointing. Judged on this review, I'm very disappointed that Land Rover haven-t been honest with us all by telling us how crap the old Defender was from the start.
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It was blatantly clear which Defender had to, and was going to, win this test. Otherwise, Land Rover wouldn't have lent the vehicles. Both the hill ascent and descent plus the timed lap were totally bigoted in favour of the new version in the way the vehicles were driven and the side of track/course used. Also the narrative and attitude displayed by the presenters was transparent in the bias of the post. Very disappointing. Judged on this review, I'm very disappointed that Land Rover haven-t been honest with us all by telling us how crap the old Defender was from the start.
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Rick
My big question is RUGGED-ness. Just how well would the new Defender stand up to daily military-style abuse? I suspect it's not easily repairable, and I suspect those electrics will become an issue after 3-5 years. Certainly not a vehicle I'd choose to take me somewhere where repairability in the field is something my life might depend upon. As a -Chelsea Tractor- the new Defender looks very capable, but I'm not convinced it'll stand up to enthusiastic weekend off-roadying and still look good in the corporate car park come Monday morning.
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My big question is RUGGED-ness. Just how well would the new Defender stand up to daily military-style abuse? I suspect it's not easily repairable, and I suspect those electrics will become an issue after 3-5 years. Certainly not a vehicle I'd choose to take me somewhere where repairability in the field is something my life might depend upon. As a -Chelsea Tractor- the new Defender looks very capable, but I'm not convinced it'll stand up to enthusiastic weekend off-roadying and still look good in the corporate car park come Monday morning.
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Oleg
This review is the most useless narcissitic exercise I've ever seen in car reviews. 90% of the review time I have to stare at the clownish face trying hard to be funny, in a bad way. The screen time is devoted to the clown, not to the cars. Very embarrassing. Something is wrong with the guy, he is just very unprofessional and very irritating. On the technical level, the tests are badly designed and are not revealing the true vehicles capabilities - but the technical part is fully overshadowed by the bad show.
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This review is the most useless narcissitic exercise I've ever seen in car reviews. 90% of the review time I have to stare at the clownish face trying hard to be funny, in a bad way. The screen time is devoted to the clown, not to the cars. Very embarrassing. Something is wrong with the guy, he is just very unprofessional and very irritating. On the technical level, the tests are badly designed and are not revealing the true vehicles capabilities - but the technical part is fully overshadowed by the bad show.
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Shankar
The old defender is super. Simple and mechanical. Fuss free. Don-t under estimate or belittle it. It is far less expensive. And it is incredibly more environmentally friendly to keep repairing and using ones old vehicles as long as one can, rather than keep going and buying shiny new ones. The new Defender is full of electronics and is bound to fail sooner or later.
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The old defender is super. Simple and mechanical. Fuss free. Don-t under estimate or belittle it. It is far less expensive. And it is incredibly more environmentally friendly to keep repairing and using ones old vehicles as long as one can, rather than keep going and buying shiny new ones. The new Defender is full of electronics and is bound to fail sooner or later.
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Patrick
I don't think the majority of new defender owners will be taking their 70k machines on any serious off roading adventures. Most serous off roaders have upgraded their old defenders to do virtually anything. The new one is a fantastic machine but it's aimed at a totally different market. Landrover have given up on the utility hose out vehicle sector!
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I don't think the majority of new defender owners will be taking their 70k machines on any serious off roading adventures. Most serous off roaders have upgraded their old defenders to do virtually anything. The new one is a fantastic machine but it's aimed at a totally different market. Landrover have given up on the utility hose out vehicle sector!
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Tony
Is this guy for real! Learn to drive for starters. Off roading has nothing to do with speed. All you have tested is that the new defender is a techy child's toy. Proof of the pudding is that you won't get farmers and military using them as there is way too much to go wrong.
And it's not a defender. It's a pretender!
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Is this guy for real! Learn to drive for starters. Off roading has nothing to do with speed. All you have tested is that the new defender is a techy child's toy. Proof of the pudding is that you won't get farmers and military using them as there is way too much to go wrong.
And it's not a defender. It's a pretender!
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Chris
It's nice to have something that can go anywhere with ease, but there's no thrill in that! Part of the enjoyment of off-roading is the adrenaline of -am I gonna make it through this obstacle-, and the stories that come from failure or success. There's also the 'skills' vs 'computer' part of the enjoyment too.
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It's nice to have something that can go anywhere with ease, but there's no thrill in that! Part of the enjoyment of off-roading is the adrenaline of -am I gonna make it through this obstacle-, and the stories that come from failure or success. There's also the 'skills' vs 'computer' part of the enjoyment too.
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