The Dutch Railways just got new trains and they-re AMAZING
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-hlb770
Easily one of the worst train companies I have used if one were to measure it - as you should - according to their performance and lack of professionalism over the past years. The quality of the service provided has been consistently going down and down over the past 10 years due to job cuts and poor engineering efforts. The trains are always late, overcrowded, often dirty. Passengers left stranded with no alternative options provided (I had to rent a car to go pick up a relative 100 Km from home for two times over the past weeks. Expensive. Very expensive, compared also to neighboring countries.
Daily commuters are treated like crap. It is a pity because NS used to be extraordinary, until a few years ago.
A shame for a country that ranks among the wealthiest in the world.
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Easily one of the worst train companies I have used if one were to measure it - as you should - according to their performance and lack of professionalism over the past years. The quality of the service provided has been consistently going down and down over the past 10 years due to job cuts and poor engineering efforts. The trains are always late, overcrowded, often dirty. Passengers left stranded with no alternative options provided (I had to rent a car to go pick up a relative 100 Km from home for two times over the past weeks. Expensive. Very expensive, compared also to neighboring countries.
Daily commuters are treated like crap. It is a pity because NS used to be extraordinary, until a few years ago.
A shame for a country that ranks among the wealthiest in the world.
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-qef15
This new train is probably going to be pretty poor, given that it's filled to the brim with commuters. Intercity is just a fancy name. It's really a commuter. Sprinters are just the same but much slower, because they stop at small stations. Capacity is reduced and first class is expanded, which is a bad thing, because first class is a scam with those prices (and students only get 2nd class.
If things get busy, get ready that they will say that 1st class is allowed to be used by second class. It happens sometimes.
Comfort barely matters when you are a student and just need to get from A to B. And it's a lot of students. Like, in any given train at any moment of the day, there are students most likely.
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This new train is probably going to be pretty poor, given that it's filled to the brim with commuters. Intercity is just a fancy name. It's really a commuter. Sprinters are just the same but much slower, because they stop at small stations. Capacity is reduced and first class is expanded, which is a bad thing, because first class is a scam with those prices (and students only get 2nd class.
If things get busy, get ready that they will say that 1st class is allowed to be used by second class. It happens sometimes.
Comfort barely matters when you are a student and just need to get from A to B. And it's a lot of students. Like, in any given train at any moment of the day, there are students most likely.
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-johnthomas5966
I think you are being too generous. The ICNG is not much more than a commuter train. Linoleum on the floors in first class. Only one plug socket between two people for journeys over 2h. No catering services and only 200kph on a high speed line with 300kph capability! That's such a low specification. Pathetic for the 2020's. Look at the TER services in Alsace. Far better comfort at 200kph with 30 year old Corail stock. Indeed a 200kph locomotive from the 1970s with Corail or DB IC1 stock could offer a more comfortable service on this route. Quite frankly the ICNG is a profound disappointment in its ambition. I despair.
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I think you are being too generous. The ICNG is not much more than a commuter train. Linoleum on the floors in first class. Only one plug socket between two people for journeys over 2h. No catering services and only 200kph on a high speed line with 300kph capability! That's such a low specification. Pathetic for the 2020's. Look at the TER services in Alsace. Far better comfort at 200kph with 30 year old Corail stock. Indeed a 200kph locomotive from the 1970s with Corail or DB IC1 stock could offer a more comfortable service on this route. Quite frankly the ICNG is a profound disappointment in its ambition. I despair.
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-dryxos6420
As for the luggage compartment, these trains are primarily intended for the high-speed lines. They will run from Breda to Amsterdam - first CS, later - South - and then via Zwolle (later perhaps via Emmeloord, Heerenveen and Drachten - a line still has to be built) to Groningen and Leeuwarden. Trains that call at Schiphol Airport certainly need more luggage space, and Groningen and Leeuwarden are also destinations where people often travel with luggage. To that extent, your comment about the limited space for luggage is justified. The NS should make more room for this in the case of sets that have not yet been delivered.
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As for the luggage compartment, these trains are primarily intended for the high-speed lines. They will run from Breda to Amsterdam - first CS, later - South - and then via Zwolle (later perhaps via Emmeloord, Heerenveen and Drachten - a line still has to be built) to Groningen and Leeuwarden. Trains that call at Schiphol Airport certainly need more luggage space, and Groningen and Leeuwarden are also destinations where people often travel with luggage. To that extent, your comment about the limited space for luggage is justified. The NS should make more room for this in the case of sets that have not yet been delivered.
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-loganmarriott11
And again, no provision to take a reasonable number of bikes besides cramming by those doorways.
At least the French and Swiss rail options allow larger areas for 6-12 bikes in such specific carriages.
As someone living in the Netherlands that competitively cycle races, the ability to take a train to Belgium to ride the classic bergs is still missing (no bikes alllowed on Thalys trains, either)
Seems NL rail are enforcing a culture that everyone rides a bike locally to commute here, but -no, you cant travel away with your own bike easily-
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And again, no provision to take a reasonable number of bikes besides cramming by those doorways.
At least the French and Swiss rail options allow larger areas for 6-12 bikes in such specific carriages.
As someone living in the Netherlands that competitively cycle races, the ability to take a train to Belgium to ride the classic bergs is still missing (no bikes alllowed on Thalys trains, either)
Seems NL rail are enforcing a culture that everyone rides a bike locally to commute here, but -no, you cant travel away with your own bike easily-
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-lindaoffenbach
Not sure what the amazement is to be, tbh. Seeing this from abroad, the NS have always perplexed with rather austere rudimentary cheapo looking interiors and Ikea colours.
I hardly use trains but when I do it is 1st class. I want to travel as such with thick clothed comfortable airplane styled seats. The difference to 2nd is second to none in NS trains. Tickets on NS routes are very expensive but comfort and interior design are that of a kindergarten. So much different it is in Germany, France, Italy, Belgium and the UK.
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Not sure what the amazement is to be, tbh. Seeing this from abroad, the NS have always perplexed with rather austere rudimentary cheapo looking interiors and Ikea colours.
I hardly use trains but when I do it is 1st class. I want to travel as such with thick clothed comfortable airplane styled seats. The difference to 2nd is second to none in NS trains. Tickets on NS routes are very expensive but comfort and interior design are that of a kindergarten. So much different it is in Germany, France, Italy, Belgium and the UK.
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-ianpaschal
These trains seem awful. The capacity must be significantly lower than the current double-deckers which are already regularly over-capacity during commuting times. The colored lights in the sections are absolutely going to be ignored same as any current stilte-coupe labeling or the newer -Rust- sections. And then there's these little double steps between sections? Why? Just to make elderly people trip or make it a nightmare to roll your suitcase along?
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These trains seem awful. The capacity must be significantly lower than the current double-deckers which are already regularly over-capacity during commuting times. The colored lights in the sections are absolutely going to be ignored same as any current stilte-coupe labeling or the newer -Rust- sections. And then there's these little double steps between sections? Why? Just to make elderly people trip or make it a nightmare to roll your suitcase along?
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-Lisasplace
i have mixed feelings about the new trains NS is rolling out. But from the looks of it they finally gave all of the spaces an outlet anf FINALLY a dedicated luggage space. That being said the newer trains are spacious in the sense that half of the commuters have to stand the entire ride. i also hope they communicae the zones well buecause even if the window has bold letters with SILENCE on them people ignore it.
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i have mixed feelings about the new trains NS is rolling out. But from the looks of it they finally gave all of the spaces an outlet anf FINALLY a dedicated luggage space. That being said the newer trains are spacious in the sense that half of the commuters have to stand the entire ride. i also hope they communicae the zones well buecause even if the window has bold letters with SILENCE on them people ignore it.
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-angelodecock6280
Looks good, but the capacity is gonna be a huge issue. As a dutchie that used to go to school by train and bus for 5 years, this has always been an issue and will only be exacerbated by these new trains. The double decker IC has some excellent capacity which I doubt the new ICNG will be able to replicate. I honestly hope they will not replace the old design during rush hours.
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Looks good, but the capacity is gonna be a huge issue. As a dutchie that used to go to school by train and bus for 5 years, this has always been an issue and will only be exacerbated by these new trains. The double decker IC has some excellent capacity which I doubt the new ICNG will be able to replicate. I honestly hope they will not replace the old design during rush hours.
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-africantwin173
But the Dutch railway trains always have delays or don't run at all.
The public city buses, trolley buses are also a pita in the Netherlands.
The tickets cost you a fortune. And most of the time you cannot sit. You must stand.
So only students get a free bus tickets and peoples that work use a car.
Netherlands s-cks with public transport.
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But the Dutch railway trains always have delays or don't run at all.
The public city buses, trolley buses are also a pita in the Netherlands.
The tickets cost you a fortune. And most of the time you cannot sit. You must stand.
So only students get a free bus tickets and peoples that work use a car.
Netherlands s-cks with public transport.
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-jogennotsuki
Very much looking forward to being stuck in this brand new piece of crap for 12 hours with 3000 other people as the entire country's railway system catastrophically collapses because of 2mm of snow, a stolen cable hundreds of km away, or a mysterious software bug. I'll like it even more if the air conditioning won't work, as is NS tradition.
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Very much looking forward to being stuck in this brand new piece of crap for 12 hours with 3000 other people as the entire country's railway system catastrophically collapses because of 2mm of snow, a stolen cable hundreds of km away, or a mysterious software bug. I'll like it even more if the air conditioning won't work, as is NS tradition.
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-Happymali10
One of these trains made the news in germany when it suffered some sort of brake-failure while being towed to a testing-facility, pushing its helpless towing-locomotive through a buffer stop and almost killing the train driver. The report still isn't out on the accident, so they might still be busy trying to find out who messed up how badly.
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One of these trains made the news in germany when it suffered some sort of brake-failure while being towed to a testing-facility, pushing its helpless towing-locomotive through a buffer stop and almost killing the train driver. The report still isn't out on the accident, so they might still be busy trying to find out who messed up how badly.
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-kaiohshin2322
If you move out of the 'diverse' city area the trains start to feel less icky and gross. Comparing trains from the northern and eastern part of the country like Groningen and Gelderland with those from the big cities is night and day. They say diversity is a strength, but looking at the state of public transport one would not think so.
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If you move out of the 'diverse' city area the trains start to feel less icky and gross. Comparing trains from the northern and eastern part of the country like Groningen and Gelderland with those from the big cities is night and day. They say diversity is a strength, but looking at the state of public transport one would not think so.
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-teaser6089
I hope they will make a Double Decked version of the ICNG, as for some routes 8 carriages single deck simply won't cut it, so unless the NS wants to use twice the amount of trains, they will need to figure out of they can double deck it. I almost exclusively use double deck trains from my home to my college and they are amazing trains! :)
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I hope they will make a Double Decked version of the ICNG, as for some routes 8 carriages single deck simply won't cut it, so unless the NS wants to use twice the amount of trains, they will need to figure out of they can double deck it. I almost exclusively use double deck trains from my home to my college and they are amazing trains! :)
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-tychohuisman5686
Although the train looks stunning, as a Dutch student, I experience crowded and overloaded on a daily basis. This is with the previous IC. All students were hoping for more seats in the next gen, but we were let down and got much fewer seats in return. I expect no more trains where I can sit and work on my way to school anymore.
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Although the train looks stunning, as a Dutch student, I experience crowded and overloaded on a daily basis. This is with the previous IC. All students were hoping for more seats in the next gen, but we were let down and got much fewer seats in return. I expect no more trains where I can sit and work on my way to school anymore.
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-rioolslet
the capacity is absolutely awful and i do not look forward to these trains being more prominent. this just means my trips are gonna last longer because the train guards will literally not allow you in when its full. cant wait to be stuck on hot / cold stations for hours more often than i already did.
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the capacity is absolutely awful and i do not look forward to these trains being more prominent. this just means my trips are gonna last longer because the train guards will literally not allow you in when its full. cant wait to be stuck on hot / cold stations for hours more often than i already did.
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-sharadaa1858
One match day and it shall all be over. Also, I hope they introduce more trains to the rest of the Netherlands. It-s tiring to see everything from adhered to timings and a range of public transport options only around the randstad area as if the rest of the country were non existent.
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One match day and it shall all be over. Also, I hope they introduce more trains to the rest of the Netherlands. It-s tiring to see everything from adhered to timings and a range of public transport options only around the randstad area as if the rest of the country were non existent.
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-sanserof7
This train is based on completely unrealistic ideas. A meet and greet cabin? Really? Dutch people are just like most other western and northern Europeans, we avoid strangers like the plague and we certainly wouldn't have a chat with them in a meet and greet cabin.
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This train is based on completely unrealistic ideas. A meet and greet cabin? Really? Dutch people are just like most other western and northern Europeans, we avoid strangers like the plague and we certainly wouldn't have a chat with them in a meet and greet cabin.
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-nvwest
Main concerns with interiors is efficient use to fit chairs, comfortable light when it-s way too late at night, and headrests that are high enough so that you-re not starting into other people-s eyes.
Wifi and charging points are also a nice luxury.
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Main concerns with interiors is efficient use to fit chairs, comfortable light when it-s way too late at night, and headrests that are high enough so that you-re not starting into other people-s eyes.
Wifi and charging points are also a nice luxury.
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-WouterBoere
funfact, the walls between the compartments of the train are fireproof walls, but there is a gap between the fireproof walls and the walls of the train, so the fire can still spread. but the walls are there to prevent that the fire spread: )
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funfact, the walls between the compartments of the train are fireproof walls, but there is a gap between the fireproof walls and the walls of the train, so the fire can still spread. but the walls are there to prevent that the fire spread: )
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-jorgepastor5557
Bruh I'm a Spanish living in the Netherlands and, among other stuff, one of the things that makes me sad about the Netherlands are the trains. I used them a lot in Spain and our high speed's are amazing, same for closer distances trains.
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Bruh I'm a Spanish living in the Netherlands and, among other stuff, one of the things that makes me sad about the Netherlands are the trains. I used them a lot in Spain and our high speed's are amazing, same for closer distances trains.
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-na-wl2ws
it looks cool, until it is really in use. The trains in the netherlands are always so gross, especially after the weekend. The seats are gross, there is sometimes even vomit. They do not clean it very well. I wish we had commercial trains.
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it looks cool, until it is really in use. The trains in the netherlands are always so gross, especially after the weekend. The seats are gross, there is sometimes even vomit. They do not clean it very well. I wish we had commercial trains.
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Why don't they make the trains a little wider rather than having gap fillers come out from the train? Or do they need that space when passing platforms at highspeed? Just curious about the trains being narrower than the platforms allow.
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Why don't they make the trains a little wider rather than having gap fillers come out from the train? Or do they need that space when passing platforms at highspeed? Just curious about the trains being narrower than the platforms allow.
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-AndreiTupolev
There do seem an awful lot of doors you encounter as you walk through the train, which must be a nuisance if you're carrying luggage, and the aisles do seem very narrow. And why are there awkward hinged ones in first class?
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There do seem an awful lot of doors you encounter as you walk through the train, which must be a nuisance if you're carrying luggage, and the aisles do seem very narrow. And why are there awkward hinged ones in first class?
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-spookje21
05: 22 finally! I wonder what idiot tought it was a good idea to make the previous trains with a staircase, even when it's a 1 level train only. So annoying for disabled people. Blauwnet (other train company) did this years ago.
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05: 22 finally! I wonder what idiot tought it was a good idea to make the previous trains with a staircase, even when it's a 1 level train only. So annoying for disabled people. Blauwnet (other train company) did this years ago.
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-olevant
I really don-t understand why NS builds trains with the majority of seats facing each other, forcing passengers to sit knee to knee and very uncomfortable. This really sucks and this train is not that great as the title suggests.
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I really don-t understand why NS builds trains with the majority of seats facing each other, forcing passengers to sit knee to knee and very uncomfortable. This really sucks and this train is not that great as the title suggests.
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-HDAlchemy
Sad to see that there are not any wheelchair accessible spots in the actual carts, I guess we have to sit in the bike space, that forces people we travel with to also sit there while I expect the chairs not to be too comfy.
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Sad to see that there are not any wheelchair accessible spots in the actual carts, I guess we have to sit in the bike space, that forces people we travel with to also sit there while I expect the chairs not to be too comfy.
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-BerserkeR. _.
Lovely trip, but when you go in the evening, you'd have to deal with the possibility of harassment from our delightful multi cultural youth, especially the ones who want to be 'astronauts' and 'professors', right.
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Lovely trip, but when you go in the evening, you'd have to deal with the possibility of harassment from our delightful multi cultural youth, especially the ones who want to be 'astronauts' and 'professors', right.
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Dutch railway. are profeting of the people in the netherlands. the peopkle pay al te cost. and the profits go to the private sectors pocket. . They are thiefs. Dutch people hav e to pay ver much price for ticket.
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Dutch railway. are profeting of the people in the netherlands. the peopkle pay al te cost. and the profits go to the private sectors pocket. . They are thiefs. Dutch people hav e to pay ver much price for ticket.
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Wow, don't travel by train much anymore, I didn't know. Can't wait to ride one in the wild. As a Dutchie, travelling by train was daily practice in several periods of my life (with fold-up bike and everything.
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Wow, don't travel by train much anymore, I didn't know. Can't wait to ride one in the wild. As a Dutchie, travelling by train was daily practice in several periods of my life (with fold-up bike and everything.
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-fovevofovevo6629
Een sprinter dat voor een IC door mag gaan. Wat een verval met dei NS. Tijd voor concurrentie, nergens meer fatsoenlijke ruimtes, geen beschutting, geen privacy. Walgelijke bak op wielen. kots
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Een sprinter dat voor een IC door mag gaan. Wat een verval met dei NS. Tijd voor concurrentie, nergens meer fatsoenlijke ruimtes, geen beschutting, geen privacy. Walgelijke bak op wielen. kots
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-yeahnope620
Lol $41 for a trip you can make just as fast by car for just a few bucks. Cheapier, just as fast and infinitely more comfortable. Not a very hard choice to make lol.
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Lol $41 for a trip you can make just as fast by car for just a few bucks. Cheapier, just as fast and infinitely more comfortable. Not a very hard choice to make lol.
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-pilacoi1232
37 Coradia Stream units are coming to romania tomorrow, they will be operated by CFR. We are very excited about this but we will see how they handle our rails -----
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37 Coradia Stream units are coming to romania tomorrow, they will be operated by CFR. We are very excited about this but we will see how they handle our rails -----
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The Netherlands is so small and densely populated that intercity services within the country are almost regional in scale, probably why they bought regional trains
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The Netherlands is so small and densely populated that intercity services within the country are almost regional in scale, probably why they bought regional trains
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-AnaNSr
Wow that's expensive. Here in Belgium we pay -14 for wherever you want to go nationally. Took the train for 3 hours from Hasselt to Namur and it costed me that.
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Wow that's expensive. Here in Belgium we pay -14 for wherever you want to go nationally. Took the train for 3 hours from Hasselt to Namur and it costed me that.
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