Conventional Current v Electron Flow - Electricity explained
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Date: 2023-11-17
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Emer
Brilliant! I'm applying my maths mindset to emotional states. I'm one of those who is all for science but not as gospel and a fun crazy abstract mind of what if and how might. True science imo. Question EVERYTHING!
We constantly will judge and say that's things positive or negative emotions but it depends what state we are starting with. I know myself I suppressed emotions like anger, resentment, jealousy, blame as unwanted identities when they were the healthy response in a situation. I saw them as negative and I can't be negative.
Emotions are energy and have to go somewhere. They are electrical impulses in our brains. If we don't express them when we should, we internalise them. The energy has to go somewhere. On my journey of discovery, I found my 'evil queen' 'lived' with these unwanted emotions and oh boy, the self sabotage was rampant here.
This is a perfect example to share how + and - were misunderstood.
Not sure if all that means anything to anyone except me but it does in my crazy fun brain
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Brilliant! I'm applying my maths mindset to emotional states. I'm one of those who is all for science but not as gospel and a fun crazy abstract mind of what if and how might. True science imo. Question EVERYTHING!
We constantly will judge and say that's things positive or negative emotions but it depends what state we are starting with. I know myself I suppressed emotions like anger, resentment, jealousy, blame as unwanted identities when they were the healthy response in a situation. I saw them as negative and I can't be negative.
Emotions are energy and have to go somewhere. They are electrical impulses in our brains. If we don't express them when we should, we internalise them. The energy has to go somewhere. On my journey of discovery, I found my 'evil queen' 'lived' with these unwanted emotions and oh boy, the self sabotage was rampant here.
This is a perfect example to share how + and - were misunderstood.
Not sure if all that means anything to anyone except me but it does in my crazy fun brain
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Mr.
I have to say this has confused me more then when I got here. I have been in the automotive industry for 27 years now and everything on a vehicle is built on the idea behind conventional flow. If you open any wiring diagram for a car or truck, it's completely based on conventional current. Reading the comments and watching videos to try and expand my knowledge of the newer electric and hybrid cars (using AC and DC) voltage, this electron flow has put on the brakes. Example would be you fuse the beginning of a circuit not the end, and the with electron flow, all circuits I have ever seen are all fuse backwards, with the safety at the end of the line. NOW, what it looks like to me is that both system are right as they describe 2 different things, one being the flow of electrons and the other the flow of power. This is a horrid system and i'd swear it was done on purpose to keep people out.
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I have to say this has confused me more then when I got here. I have been in the automotive industry for 27 years now and everything on a vehicle is built on the idea behind conventional flow. If you open any wiring diagram for a car or truck, it's completely based on conventional current. Reading the comments and watching videos to try and expand my knowledge of the newer electric and hybrid cars (using AC and DC) voltage, this electron flow has put on the brakes. Example would be you fuse the beginning of a circuit not the end, and the with electron flow, all circuits I have ever seen are all fuse backwards, with the safety at the end of the line. NOW, what it looks like to me is that both system are right as they describe 2 different things, one being the flow of electrons and the other the flow of power. This is a horrid system and i'd swear it was done on purpose to keep people out.
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ElectroRestore
Electron Flow is correct! It is NOT a theory! It is fact! As for batteries, they are designed for Electron Flow! The current flows from the negative side of the battery to the positive terminal. There is no reason to think otherwise! The negative (-) sign is just that, a sign, marking where the electrons come out from. And the positive sign (+) is the point that they are proceeding to! In fact, when you measure the voltage with a voltmeter, we say that there is a positive charge on the positive terminal of the battery, and a negative charge on the negative terminal on the battery. It can not be the opposite (changing it to convention flow marking, as that would be counter-intuitive and definitely wrong!
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Electron Flow is correct! It is NOT a theory! It is fact! As for batteries, they are designed for Electron Flow! The current flows from the negative side of the battery to the positive terminal. There is no reason to think otherwise! The negative (-) sign is just that, a sign, marking where the electrons come out from. And the positive sign (+) is the point that they are proceeding to! In fact, when you measure the voltage with a voltmeter, we say that there is a positive charge on the positive terminal of the battery, and a negative charge on the negative terminal on the battery. It can not be the opposite (changing it to convention flow marking, as that would be counter-intuitive and definitely wrong!
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Privacy
Just because something is hard to fix doesn't mean that it shouldn't be fixed and that incorrect information should be propagated just because that's the way it has always been. The metric system is used globally but not in the U. S. because it would be too hard to fix. Well if the rest of the world has largely switched to the metric system and has been provably better, then it's clearly not too hard to fix. The real reason we don't is because we're 'Murican and we're lazy and want to be wrong. Similarly, if electron flow is correct and conventional current is wrong, then we should fix that and not stick with the mistakes of the past.
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Just because something is hard to fix doesn't mean that it shouldn't be fixed and that incorrect information should be propagated just because that's the way it has always been. The metric system is used globally but not in the U. S. because it would be too hard to fix. Well if the rest of the world has largely switched to the metric system and has been provably better, then it's clearly not too hard to fix. The real reason we don't is because we're 'Murican and we're lazy and want to be wrong. Similarly, if electron flow is correct and conventional current is wrong, then we should fix that and not stick with the mistakes of the past.
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spaceboy3101
Well I learned electron flow (90-92) in tech school, so that's what I like and what makes sense to me. It seems to make more sense because electrons are said to have a negative charge, so when you have an excess then you have a negative source.
The positive side of the circuit has a shortage, and circuit power, like batteries, seek to balance themselves, so the excess negative electrons find a home in the positive location with a shortage; they balance out: The excess location flows to the shortage location.
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Well I learned electron flow (90-92) in tech school, so that's what I like and what makes sense to me. It seems to make more sense because electrons are said to have a negative charge, so when you have an excess then you have a negative source.
The positive side of the circuit has a shortage, and circuit power, like batteries, seek to balance themselves, so the excess negative electrons find a home in the positive location with a shortage; they balance out: The excess location flows to the shortage location.
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JusticeUpholder
I hope they change it, cuz this irritates me to all hell. If Institutions can make announcements to change so many things, like how the definition of meter was changed, SURELY THEY CAN DO THIS.
Science is about FACTS, so what would be the point of studying it if there is an ASSUMPTION used when the truth needs to be REMEMBERED?
I HOPE THEY ABOLISH THIS CONVENTIONAL CURRENT BS! IT WILL BE MADE TO HAPPEN.
I HOPE THEY MAKE DRAWING THE ARROW FROM THE -VE TERMINAL THE NORM
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I hope they change it, cuz this irritates me to all hell. If Institutions can make announcements to change so many things, like how the definition of meter was changed, SURELY THEY CAN DO THIS.
Science is about FACTS, so what would be the point of studying it if there is an ASSUMPTION used when the truth needs to be REMEMBERED?
I HOPE THEY ABOLISH THIS CONVENTIONAL CURRENT BS! IT WILL BE MADE TO HAPPEN.
I HOPE THEY MAKE DRAWING THE ARROW FROM THE -VE TERMINAL THE NORM
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The
Well, you've played both sides of the field here. You've said that all the batteries in the world need to be changed to have the correct current flow, yet you use the drawing at the end as an example of conventional current flow, implying it is wrong, having the positive terminal flowing to the negative. If the battery were in correct, than the diagram would be correct. If the diagram is incorrect, then the battery would be correct. Are batteries incorrectly marked?
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Well, you've played both sides of the field here. You've said that all the batteries in the world need to be changed to have the correct current flow, yet you use the drawing at the end as an example of conventional current flow, implying it is wrong, having the positive terminal flowing to the negative. If the battery were in correct, than the diagram would be correct. If the diagram is incorrect, then the battery would be correct. Are batteries incorrectly marked?
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The
didnt think anything actually flowed. thought the electron went into the hole and the hole actualy moves? in essence. which makes zero sense. so we talk about charge transfer not electron movement. so they stay still? just bump the charge on. ? then at absolute zero they are separated apart so much no charge can be passed. if we take your model they would still work. because temp doesnt stop thigs moving but it can space things out so the don't interact. ?
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didnt think anything actually flowed. thought the electron went into the hole and the hole actualy moves? in essence. which makes zero sense. so we talk about charge transfer not electron movement. so they stay still? just bump the charge on. ? then at absolute zero they are separated apart so much no charge can be passed. if we take your model they would still work. because temp doesnt stop thigs moving but it can space things out so the don't interact. ?
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anton
So true. When I was studying DC electricity at RMIT Melbourne in the 1960's, electron flow was preferred. The question remains. A battery has a negative plate (anode) and a positive plate (cathode. We know that a charge of electrons move from the anode to the cathode, electron flow, but conventional flow from positive to negative outside the battery? Or does it go in the opposite direction? This is where there is confusion.
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So true. When I was studying DC electricity at RMIT Melbourne in the 1960's, electron flow was preferred. The question remains. A battery has a negative plate (anode) and a positive plate (cathode. We know that a charge of electrons move from the anode to the cathode, electron flow, but conventional flow from positive to negative outside the battery? Or does it go in the opposite direction? This is where there is confusion.
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EmpressOfExile
Im so confused! Yes it doesn't matter in an AC circuit! But is it does matter in a DC circuit! So do engineering blueprints for DC circuits just flip the labels on the poles and label the posi-pole as if it's the negative and vice versa? Or are things powered by DC manufactured with the poles labeled backwards? Or are engineering diagrams only allowed to show AC circuits? Someone explain PLEASE!
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Im so confused! Yes it doesn't matter in an AC circuit! But is it does matter in a DC circuit! So do engineering blueprints for DC circuits just flip the labels on the poles and label the posi-pole as if it's the negative and vice versa? Or are things powered by DC manufactured with the poles labeled backwards? Or are engineering diagrams only allowed to show AC circuits? Someone explain PLEASE!
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Keith
Electon flow and current flow are equally conventions. But some people fail to recognize that Both having physical representations.
While Electron flow has obvious physical representation, current flow does so too in conductors and semiconductors as electron holes or lower eletron density flow that is opposite of electon flow. This view is no less physical real than electron flow.
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Electon flow and current flow are equally conventions. But some people fail to recognize that Both having physical representations.
While Electron flow has obvious physical representation, current flow does so too in conductors and semiconductors as electron holes or lower eletron density flow that is opposite of electon flow. This view is no less physical real than electron flow.
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spaceboy3101
It was something recently, I can't recall for sure, I think it might have been an Elon Musk presentation about batteries, and someone said, and what charge is the cathode? Right, POSITIVE. I said, .what? That's not right, the cathode is negative and the anode is positive, how could they get that wrong? Then I realized later they must be working in conventional theory.
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It was something recently, I can't recall for sure, I think it might have been an Elon Musk presentation about batteries, and someone said, and what charge is the cathode? Right, POSITIVE. I said, .what? That's not right, the cathode is negative and the anode is positive, how could they get that wrong? Then I realized later they must be working in conventional theory.
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Roberta
Ok. Now, I had a brain alert moment. yes!
So, if conventional current is not correct, everyone still uses it as the
Proper values.
Since diodes and cathodes work in relation to the direction of said electrons, are they built and engineered backward to accommodate the reversed electron flow?
My head is exploding! But, it's good! My mind has finally awakened.
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Ok. Now, I had a brain alert moment. yes!
So, if conventional current is not correct, everyone still uses it as the
Proper values.
Since diodes and cathodes work in relation to the direction of said electrons, are they built and engineered backward to accommodate the reversed electron flow?
My head is exploding! But, it's good! My mind has finally awakened.
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Anon
So is the true negative of a battery labeled +?
Because every video demonstrates the electrons flowing from the flat end. It's also implied that the electrons flow from the nipple end; that's why they called that end positive before the electron flow model.
Are diodes mislabeled? Or is the electron flow version of the animation misleading?
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So is the true negative of a battery labeled +?
Because every video demonstrates the electrons flowing from the flat end. It's also implied that the electrons flow from the nipple end; that's why they called that end positive before the electron flow model.
Are diodes mislabeled? Or is the electron flow version of the animation misleading?
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Priest
Well it is confusing, when it comes to diodes, for example, and testing them with a multimeter.
In diodes, current goes from Anode + to Cathode -, and it does not flow in other direction, that is what makes it a diode. AND what makes all of this even more confusing.
It would make more sense if it flowed from negative to positive.
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Well it is confusing, when it comes to diodes, for example, and testing them with a multimeter.
In diodes, current goes from Anode + to Cathode -, and it does not flow in other direction, that is what makes it a diode. AND what makes all of this even more confusing.
It would make more sense if it flowed from negative to positive.
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mastisu
I wish we had this video when I was a young apprentice years ago. part of our program required we take university courses, including physics. We got into an intense debate with the relatively young physics instructor, as what she was teaching about electron flow was different from what we were learning in trade theory. This explains it!
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I wish we had this video when I was a young apprentice years ago. part of our program required we take university courses, including physics. We got into an intense debate with the relatively young physics instructor, as what she was teaching about electron flow was different from what we were learning in trade theory. This explains it!
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education
Question: could you make a video explaining this flow but in a car battery? the electron flows out of neg terminal or positive? Also the car produces ac current than then goes to battery as dc, but all this takes into account the electron flow instead of conventional? I am so confused. Back to watching fail army. Lol
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Question: could you make a video explaining this flow but in a car battery? the electron flows out of neg terminal or positive? Also the car produces ac current than then goes to battery as dc, but all this takes into account the electron flow instead of conventional? I am so confused. Back to watching fail army. Lol
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skyrider53
Conventional Current should be taken off the education system because they're teaching students a bunch of lies. Electron Flow is correct. And there is no need to change the name of the terminals because Negative to Positive makes sense. Electrons are negative charge carriers so negative to positive.
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Conventional Current should be taken off the education system because they're teaching students a bunch of lies. Electron Flow is correct. And there is no need to change the name of the terminals because Negative to Positive makes sense. Electrons are negative charge carriers so negative to positive.
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spaceboy3101
It's interesting how the comments vary quite widely. Some saying the military uses conventional, some saying electron flow, some saying both. And between the comments and the vid, some say engineers use hole, some say tron. lol no consensus! Looks like everybody is just doing whatever. :D
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It's interesting how the comments vary quite widely. Some saying the military uses conventional, some saying electron flow, some saying both. And between the comments and the vid, some say engineers use hole, some say tron. lol no consensus! Looks like everybody is just doing whatever. :D
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hbobenicio
it bugs me so much that after the actual electron flow direction has been proven it's not the default conventional flow. The convention current flow should be renamed to something like old/obsolete/wrong or at least inverted current flow instead. It would be so less confusing!
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it bugs me so much that after the actual electron flow direction has been proven it's not the default conventional flow. The convention current flow should be renamed to something like old/obsolete/wrong or at least inverted current flow instead. It would be so less confusing!
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Ankara
And and if I am watching on a schematic which is using a diode + to anode and - to cathode ( conventional curent on paper ok) but when I do the circuit in real life experiment how I place the diode since it goes from - to + that means Anode goes to - and Cathode to +!
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And and if I am watching on a schematic which is using a diode + to anode and - to cathode ( conventional curent on paper ok) but when I do the circuit in real life experiment how I place the diode since it goes from - to + that means Anode goes to - and Cathode to +!
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CommentSection
But this is nonsense
When you design circuits you need to know the direction of current
And it's positive to negative and it won't work with designing current negative to positive
Everyone says conventional But no one says that conventional works
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But this is nonsense
When you design circuits you need to know the direction of current
And it's positive to negative and it won't work with designing current negative to positive
Everyone says conventional But no one says that conventional works
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Jason
when columbus discovered america, he thought he was in india, so when they saw brown people, he assumed and called them indians. we have a state called indiana, and its capital is indianapolis, all named after a big old misunderstanding, think they's fix it, nope
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when columbus discovered america, he thought he was in india, so when they saw brown people, he assumed and called them indians. we have a state called indiana, and its capital is indianapolis, all named after a big old misunderstanding, think they's fix it, nope
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McsMark1
Ben Franklin's been dead for 233 years,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAN WE PLEASE GET RID OF CONVENTIONAL CURRENT FLOW!
Current flows from a NEGATIVE ANODE TO A POSITIVE CATHODE!
For Gods Sake, Get It Right! Show Reality, Not a 233 year plus mistake.
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Ben Franklin's been dead for 233 years,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAN WE PLEASE GET RID OF CONVENTIONAL CURRENT FLOW!
Current flows from a NEGATIVE ANODE TO A POSITIVE CATHODE!
For Gods Sake, Get It Right! Show Reality, Not a 233 year plus mistake.
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Jai
I think this is all true for metals, where the current carriers are all electrons. But that isnt the complete picture. In a battery there really are positively charged ions that are flowing positive to negative. And it gets even weirder in semiconductors
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I think this is all true for metals, where the current carriers are all electrons. But that isnt the complete picture. In a battery there really are positively charged ions that are flowing positive to negative. And it gets even weirder in semiconductors
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HansensUniverse
Is there any other fallacies i should be aware about in physics? I can't believe i'm even asking this question. I want to make a list of all the cases like this so i can avoid ending up in the trap in an endless world of confusion.
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Is there any other fallacies i should be aware about in physics? I can't believe i'm even asking this question. I want to make a list of all the cases like this so i can avoid ending up in the trap in an endless world of confusion.
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David
For simple devices like resistors and lamps, they function the same regardless of the direction of electron flow. Diodes and other devices, electron flow is only allowed one direction. How doors conventional current diagrams get around this?
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For simple devices like resistors and lamps, they function the same regardless of the direction of electron flow. Diodes and other devices, electron flow is only allowed one direction. How doors conventional current diagrams get around this?
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ash
2: 00 umm, still a positive (more charged particles) moving to a negative (glass tube with less charged particles. Only the starting position changed places but the concept of positive moving to negative did not change at all?
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2: 00 umm, still a positive (more charged particles) moving to a negative (glass tube with less charged particles. Only the starting position changed places but the concept of positive moving to negative did not change at all?
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Hector
Im still confused. In your illustration it still seems like the electrons are just moving from the positive to the negative, youre just changing the starting point. Im confused as to whats positive and whats negative.
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Im still confused. In your illustration it still seems like the electrons are just moving from the positive to the negative, youre just changing the starting point. Im confused as to whats positive and whats negative.
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Dao
2: 31 I'm a bit confused by this. Why would you want on change the positive and negative signs on a battery? Isn't it correct for both electron flow and conventional current, the only difference is direction of flow.
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2: 31 I'm a bit confused by this. Why would you want on change the positive and negative signs on a battery? Isn't it correct for both electron flow and conventional current, the only difference is direction of flow.
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