The lost Legion of Rome (Full History of the 9th)
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Date: 2023-08-10
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Teddy
Imo they rebelled on succession of Hadrian and were destroyed around London and then struck from history. Its the only thing that makes sense. Other legions and armies had been annihilated by enemy action throughout Roman history and we know what happened to them. In fact the Romans often made a big deal about losing legions to enemy forces and launched massive punitive campaigns purely to avenge their loss. This happened with Parthia after seven legions were destroyed on campaign with Crassus and the Germans were persecuted by military campaign in the wake of the Teutoburg disaster. With IX Hispana everybody just stops talking about them. Theres no record of a campaign, theres no mention of an especially troublesome or particularly dangerous tribe. Theres no account of an ambush or battle that went awry. Theyre just gone. Erasing them from history is part of their punishment. We find this pattern of erasure with the Romans whether its hated emperors or individuals. Its historical exile, no one will remember your name.
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Imo they rebelled on succession of Hadrian and were destroyed around London and then struck from history. Its the only thing that makes sense. Other legions and armies had been annihilated by enemy action throughout Roman history and we know what happened to them. In fact the Romans often made a big deal about losing legions to enemy forces and launched massive punitive campaigns purely to avenge their loss. This happened with Parthia after seven legions were destroyed on campaign with Crassus and the Germans were persecuted by military campaign in the wake of the Teutoburg disaster. With IX Hispana everybody just stops talking about them. Theres no record of a campaign, theres no mention of an especially troublesome or particularly dangerous tribe. Theres no account of an ambush or battle that went awry. Theyre just gone. Erasing them from history is part of their punishment. We find this pattern of erasure with the Romans whether its hated emperors or individuals. Its historical exile, no one will remember your name.
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Robere
Interesting that you did not cover the defeat of one of Rome's legions in Germania around this time and I also am of the believe through my own family history coming from Scotland that the Wall Hadrian had built was to noice the Romans to stay on the South side and not cross into the North because of the strength of the Picts, early day Scots who painted their faces with blue paint, to fight to the death to defend the North from Roman Occupation. Through my family history and written works I found many references to the annihilation of the Roman 9th by the Picts who were ruthless in their fighting tactics. Emperor Hadrian wanted all records of this defeat removed from history. Interesting that the arrogance of the Roman Legions and the Senate can be compared to many present day countries, sadly the USA who will be defeated by ignorance and lust for money and power.
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Interesting that you did not cover the defeat of one of Rome's legions in Germania around this time and I also am of the believe through my own family history coming from Scotland that the Wall Hadrian had built was to noice the Romans to stay on the South side and not cross into the North because of the strength of the Picts, early day Scots who painted their faces with blue paint, to fight to the death to defend the North from Roman Occupation. Through my family history and written works I found many references to the annihilation of the Roman 9th by the Picts who were ruthless in their fighting tactics. Emperor Hadrian wanted all records of this defeat removed from history. Interesting that the arrogance of the Roman Legions and the Senate can be compared to many present day countries, sadly the USA who will be defeated by ignorance and lust for money and power.
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Antonio
Great video and plausibile theory. The only weak point is that it doesnt provide a satisfactory explanation for the findings in Netherlands which attest not just the simple presence of some scattered survivors but the administrative existence of the ninth or, at least, of a detachment of it. In particular the production of tiles and / or bricks with the stamp of the ninth is definitly a serious evidence that the legion still existed at that time. The most irrefutable proof that the force belonging to the ninth stationed in Noviomagus was a substantial one is the altar found nearby in Aachen: it was dedicated by Lucius Latinius Macer who was the praefectus castrorum, the third in command of the ninth
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Great video and plausibile theory. The only weak point is that it doesnt provide a satisfactory explanation for the findings in Netherlands which attest not just the simple presence of some scattered survivors but the administrative existence of the ninth or, at least, of a detachment of it. In particular the production of tiles and / or bricks with the stamp of the ninth is definitly a serious evidence that the legion still existed at that time. The most irrefutable proof that the force belonging to the ninth stationed in Noviomagus was a substantial one is the altar found nearby in Aachen: it was dedicated by Lucius Latinius Macer who was the praefectus castrorum, the third in command of the ninth
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Robin
I have always been fascinated with the theories of the Ninth. Ever since I was a child for some strange reason this has fascinated me. I don't think we'll ever know what exactly happened to the Ninth. I've read every book and I have seen every movie about the Lost Ninth. I do believe as many that the Ninth may have been destroyed. And to save the humiliation of Rome and possible uprising of other tribes, the Ninth was stricken from history. In what period if time is unknown. Thank you for this video. And one thing I'd like to say about The Roman Empire, for the most advanced civilization in those times it was the most Barbaric in those times.
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I have always been fascinated with the theories of the Ninth. Ever since I was a child for some strange reason this has fascinated me. I don't think we'll ever know what exactly happened to the Ninth. I've read every book and I have seen every movie about the Lost Ninth. I do believe as many that the Ninth may have been destroyed. And to save the humiliation of Rome and possible uprising of other tribes, the Ninth was stricken from history. In what period if time is unknown. Thank you for this video. And one thing I'd like to say about The Roman Empire, for the most advanced civilization in those times it was the most Barbaric in those times.
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cwilsonyt
This is the famed Theban Legion: black soldiers conscripted from Thebes, stationed in Gaul and ordered to build a northern fort. The Roman emperor cheekily named the town Eboracum. Racum is Latin for raccoon, so the fort was literally called black raccoons. The Ninth legion was led by a black man named Maurice, who would later become famous for having his legion decimated when they refused to workshop the Roman pantheon.
The Roman ninth legion was black. Thats why theyve been erased from history.
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This is the famed Theban Legion: black soldiers conscripted from Thebes, stationed in Gaul and ordered to build a northern fort. The Roman emperor cheekily named the town Eboracum. Racum is Latin for raccoon, so the fort was literally called black raccoons. The Ninth legion was led by a black man named Maurice, who would later become famous for having his legion decimated when they refused to workshop the Roman pantheon.
The Roman ninth legion was black. Thats why theyve been erased from history.
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Hector
Very good content - but inconsistent mix of Latin pronunciations. e. g. hard c in Tacitus but soft c in Iceni. And the inhabitants of Brigantia in Classical Latin are Briganteeees! (And yes, I do know that today there are at least 3 different schools of Latin pronunciation styles) As for the English pronunciation of Carlisle. try Carl-isle as in isle = island!
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Very good content - but inconsistent mix of Latin pronunciations. e. g. hard c in Tacitus but soft c in Iceni. And the inhabitants of Brigantia in Classical Latin are Briganteeees! (And yes, I do know that today there are at least 3 different schools of Latin pronunciation styles) As for the English pronunciation of Carlisle. try Carl-isle as in isle = island!
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David
Why do you keep calling the Northern tribes brigands? They were never conquered, pacified possibly but never conquered. So they can't be seen as semi-criminal organisations. Are you saying Brigantes? in which case that's not right either they were far to the south, as your own map shows. Also Carlisle is pronounced Car-lyle. Other than that I liked the video
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Why do you keep calling the Northern tribes brigands? They were never conquered, pacified possibly but never conquered. So they can't be seen as semi-criminal organisations. Are you saying Brigantes? in which case that's not right either they were far to the south, as your own map shows. Also Carlisle is pronounced Car-lyle. Other than that I liked the video
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Yes
He seems to say the Bigantines destroyed the 9th. Why would they build a wall facing north with defensive valums when according to him it was the brigantines to the south of the wall that defeated the 9th. It was obviously the tribes to the North that ended the 9th and not the brigatines further south. It is probable the legion was lost in Southern Scotland.
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He seems to say the Bigantines destroyed the 9th. Why would they build a wall facing north with defensive valums when according to him it was the brigantines to the south of the wall that defeated the 9th. It was obviously the tribes to the North that ended the 9th and not the brigatines further south. It is probable the legion was lost in Southern Scotland.
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Mike
Quick shout out, I always wondered why the troops sided with Pompeii in the face of such a legendary opponent in Caesar, now I understand Pomp was there first so that would surely create some allegiance among many troops. Cheers from Canada for the content.
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Quick shout out, I always wondered why the troops sided with Pompeii in the face of such a legendary opponent in Caesar, now I understand Pomp was there first so that would surely create some allegiance among many troops. Cheers from Canada for the content.
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Scrubs
The south of hadrians wall was not pacified. The wall separated the part of the country thay was worth the hassle economically from the area north of the wall that was not. Briton did after all take 1/6th of the roman military to hold on to.
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The south of hadrians wall was not pacified. The wall separated the part of the country thay was worth the hassle economically from the area north of the wall that was not. Briton did after all take 1/6th of the roman military to hold on to.
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Valkyrie
Car-Lis-el. bahaha. Awesome videos my man. I can only pick on your pronunciation, because every single one of these videos has proved I really don't know history like you do. Car-Lyle though; ) love your stuff, please keep going!
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Car-Lis-el. bahaha. Awesome videos my man. I can only pick on your pronunciation, because every single one of these videos has proved I really don't know history like you do. Car-Lyle though; ) love your stuff, please keep going!
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education
Why do I see, when youre using the number 9, or as we are handling a Roman topic IX, as I thought its the Roman tradition and seen even on monuments, as VIIII?
I never, NEVER ever heard or saw this so far
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Why do I see, when youre using the number 9, or as we are handling a Roman topic IX, as I thought its the Roman tradition and seen even on monuments, as VIIII?
I never, NEVER ever heard or saw this so far
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Doc
The IX marched north into Caledonia and vanished among the mist shrouded glens and hills never to be seen again; yet buried somewhere in modern day Scotland still undiscovered lies their final battlefield.
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The IX marched north into Caledonia and vanished among the mist shrouded glens and hills never to be seen again; yet buried somewhere in modern day Scotland still undiscovered lies their final battlefield.
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Lazarus
I'm pretty sure the Ninth didn't fight in the battle of Philippi. If Octavian Augustus recreated the legion in 41 BC, how could the legion fight in the battle that took place one year prior to that?
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I'm pretty sure the Ninth didn't fight in the battle of Philippi. If Octavian Augustus recreated the legion in 41 BC, how could the legion fight in the battle that took place one year prior to that?
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Joe
Wow as a Polishmen who loves history and have always famed Rome this is awesome! Dude this brings the warrior out in me big time! Maybe in the future delve into the Polska Hussaria and it's Dragoons?
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Wow as a Polishmen who loves history and have always famed Rome this is awesome! Dude this brings the warrior out in me big time! Maybe in the future delve into the Polska Hussaria and it's Dragoons?
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Yne
similar videos from other cpntent creators got recommended to me. But when I come back here and watch these videos I realize how it makes my blood boil. Sadly he doesn't upload that frequently.
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similar videos from other cpntent creators got recommended to me. But when I come back here and watch these videos I realize how it makes my blood boil. Sadly he doesn't upload that frequently.
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Kendall
I wish more than anything that I could have seen these battles take place back in history just to see the battles that took places in areas that are quiet peaceful locations now
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I wish more than anything that I could have seen these battles take place back in history just to see the battles that took places in areas that are quiet peaceful locations now
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Robert
The land of England is like that. legions get lost at Birmingham let alone in the depths of the North. Boudicca's daughters raped in front of her: motivation for a response?
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The land of England is like that. legions get lost at Birmingham let alone in the depths of the North. Boudicca's daughters raped in front of her: motivation for a response?
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C. S.
Not a bad history of the legion. Roman numerals need some work though. In Roman you never exceed 3 of any numeral in a row (9 is IX not VIIII)
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Not a bad history of the legion. Roman numerals need some work though. In Roman you never exceed 3 of any numeral in a row (9 is IX not VIIII)
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