What Actually Happened During Amelia Earhart's Journey?
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--- In all of the early legs of Amelias Flight Plan, even a 60-mile error would find a Continent.
--- But what was to be the Second Last leg, the leg in which Amelia disappeared, had no such safety net.
--- If I had been in Amelias position, I would have insisted on a -Northern Track-, back to North America, NOT ACROSS THE PACIFIC, to a TINY LITTLE ISLAND, thousands of miles away.
On that last leg, most of the flying was done at Night.
--- There WERE NO NAVAIDS over the Ocean back then. When totally over water, virtually ALL NAVIGATION had to be -Celestial-. ACTUAL POSITIONS are REQUIRED to determine -Wind Effect-, and even then, WINDS CAN CHANGE.
--- The REASON for choosing -Night Navigation-, is obvious to Navigators.
--- When a -Celestial Shot- is taken on a body, a Navigator can only render a SINGLE -Line of Position-. The Navigator knows that his actual position is SOMEWHERE on that line, but does not know where.
--- During -Night Navigation-, Navigators have books to take -Celestial Shots- on MULTIPLE STARS (usually three, usually 4-minutes apart, to render a REASONABLY ACCURATE ACTUAL POSITION, with THREE -Lines of Position-, accurate enough to find a small island in the middle of the ocean.
--- But Amelia required -Day- to find the Island!
--- Thus a significant portion, the LAST portion, of Amelias flight, only had the -Sun-, and the -Line of Position- from the Sun could only determine East/West Position (called -Speed Line-, and COULD NOT DETERMINE North/South Position (called -Course Line-.
--- In other words, during the very last part of the planned flight, Amelia had ZERO NAVIGATION INDICATORS, to tell if Amelia was on course.
My take: The Leg on which Amelia disappeared, was WAY TOO DANGEROUS.
--- Last portion of the leg, had NO COURSE indicator.
--- Even the most optimistic of plans, assumes -NO CLOUDS-, a very dangerous assumption.
--- Amelia required -Night- for Navigation, but required -Day- for finding the Island.
--- CONCLUSION: Amelia ran out of fuel over the great big ocean and will never be found. RIP. I highly doubt the legitimacy of -aircraft wreckage- claims. Not -impossible-, but highly -improbable-. -Fake wreckage- is much more believable.
Rock Reynolds
(AKA: Roger Reynard)\r\n
Date: 2023-12-16
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-Super8_150
If you're driving your car to Miami Florida in the early morning, and for some reason, you cannot find Miami, and your fuel is nearly on empty, you just decide, oh what the hell, I will try and make it all the way to Jacksonville with low fuel. That makes no sense. You would stay in the area trying to find Miami and communicating with the only guy in Miami who has a radio transmitter tuned to your car. Even one way communication. -Hey, send up some flares. Give us some visual signal please. - A USCG ship with no flares or smoke signals or mirrors, or something obvious from a plane's viewpoint? It was a bad plan from the beginning based on the technology of the time.
If you can't see the island in the middle of a massive expanse of water with nothing else around based on your current navigation, clearly you have no clue where you actually are. So how can you reasonably assume you're going to find some other small island hundreds of miles away?
When you run out of fuel in an airplane, you're going down, unless you're within gliding distance of land, you're dropping onto the water. At 1, 000 feet above the water, if your engine quits, you are going to be wet in about 60 seconds.
And it is very, very, deep water there. You won't be putting on scuba gear and having a look about on the ocean floor for a couple of engines.
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If you're driving your car to Miami Florida in the early morning, and for some reason, you cannot find Miami, and your fuel is nearly on empty, you just decide, oh what the hell, I will try and make it all the way to Jacksonville with low fuel. That makes no sense. You would stay in the area trying to find Miami and communicating with the only guy in Miami who has a radio transmitter tuned to your car. Even one way communication. -Hey, send up some flares. Give us some visual signal please. - A USCG ship with no flares or smoke signals or mirrors, or something obvious from a plane's viewpoint? It was a bad plan from the beginning based on the technology of the time.
If you can't see the island in the middle of a massive expanse of water with nothing else around based on your current navigation, clearly you have no clue where you actually are. So how can you reasonably assume you're going to find some other small island hundreds of miles away?
When you run out of fuel in an airplane, you're going down, unless you're within gliding distance of land, you're dropping onto the water. At 1, 000 feet above the water, if your engine quits, you are going to be wet in about 60 seconds.
And it is very, very, deep water there. You won't be putting on scuba gear and having a look about on the ocean floor for a couple of engines.
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-jodyfresnack4758
they crash landed near a tiny sandbar island, nothing more than a sand pile no larger than a football field. They had to sleep sometime. The crabs ate them. they found clue hearts on one of these tiny islands that could be parts from their plane and one of their shoes.
The ocean took the plane away. less than 5% of the worlds oceans have been explored. they will probably never find the plane. they can-t even find that large airliner that disappeared about 10 years ago, and they have a good idea of where that one went down.
I saw this theory on a television show about 10 years ago. to me at least, it makes the most sense. They saw a small island, they landed on the water and went to the island, and the crabs got them.
another possibility is, they actually did rescue them, but it-s a convenient excuse for governments to be in places they aren-t welcome, if they claim they-re looking for her plane still. good cover story.
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they crash landed near a tiny sandbar island, nothing more than a sand pile no larger than a football field. They had to sleep sometime. The crabs ate them. they found clue hearts on one of these tiny islands that could be parts from their plane and one of their shoes.
The ocean took the plane away. less than 5% of the worlds oceans have been explored. they will probably never find the plane. they can-t even find that large airliner that disappeared about 10 years ago, and they have a good idea of where that one went down.
I saw this theory on a television show about 10 years ago. to me at least, it makes the most sense. They saw a small island, they landed on the water and went to the island, and the crabs got them.
another possibility is, they actually did rescue them, but it-s a convenient excuse for governments to be in places they aren-t welcome, if they claim they-re looking for her plane still. good cover story.
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-davidahrens2841
Believe me, it is very eerie
to fly over water
and see nothing but water in every direction.
I really admire the pilots at the battle of Midway,
taking off from an aircraft carrier completely surrounded by the sea
and flying to sure death,
let alone making it back to the aircraft carrier
which may be at the bottom of the ocean!
IMO, Amelia ran out of fuel,
landed on the water, not crashed,
but eventually she and the plane
ended up at the floor of the ocean.
Pretty brave to fly over 2, 000 miles
and try to find a 1 x 2 mile spot in the ocean
with the primitive instruments of those days
At least Lindbergh had enough fuel to
make his 3, 600 mile trip across the Atlantic ocean
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Believe me, it is very eerie
to fly over water
and see nothing but water in every direction.
I really admire the pilots at the battle of Midway,
taking off from an aircraft carrier completely surrounded by the sea
and flying to sure death,
let alone making it back to the aircraft carrier
which may be at the bottom of the ocean!
IMO, Amelia ran out of fuel,
landed on the water, not crashed,
but eventually she and the plane
ended up at the floor of the ocean.
Pretty brave to fly over 2, 000 miles
and try to find a 1 x 2 mile spot in the ocean
with the primitive instruments of those days
At least Lindbergh had enough fuel to
make his 3, 600 mile trip across the Atlantic ocean
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-BludShotiiiiis
read Fred Goerner book from 1966 and all the research he did to uncover what really happened including the US Marines who witnessed the aircraft being destroyed. The spy camera mounted on the aircraft in California indicated what the real mission was and then that photo of the female caucasian on the dock in restricted Japanese waters with the white man leaning on the pole. Coconut crabs makes for a good story i guess but wrong island. Henry -Harry- Evans Maude was on Gardner island 100 days after Earhart disappeared and found nothing related to her or the aircraft.
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read Fred Goerner book from 1966 and all the research he did to uncover what really happened including the US Marines who witnessed the aircraft being destroyed. The spy camera mounted on the aircraft in California indicated what the real mission was and then that photo of the female caucasian on the dock in restricted Japanese waters with the white man leaning on the pole. Coconut crabs makes for a good story i guess but wrong island. Henry -Harry- Evans Maude was on Gardner island 100 days after Earhart disappeared and found nothing related to her or the aircraft.
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-Mark16vs. 15
Here's what happened. Pilots and navigators everywhere quickly learned you can get away with minimal navigation aids or survival equipment over land, but over the sea long distances, that is a totally different story.
Amelia was pioneer on what NOT to do when flying over long stretches of ocean. She shouldn't be faulted. There was very little such long distance aviation over the sea at that time for her to learn lessons about. A lot of the stuff that is now standard that we take for granted when it comes to aviation came about from some earlier pilot's mishap.
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Here's what happened. Pilots and navigators everywhere quickly learned you can get away with minimal navigation aids or survival equipment over land, but over the sea long distances, that is a totally different story.
Amelia was pioneer on what NOT to do when flying over long stretches of ocean. She shouldn't be faulted. There was very little such long distance aviation over the sea at that time for her to learn lessons about. A lot of the stuff that is now standard that we take for granted when it comes to aviation came about from some earlier pilot's mishap.
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-mickeysmiths
I've had a close look at this incident & it is my humble opinion the plane is to the north north west of Howland Island, perhaps within 100km (60 miles. The plane is not to the south of Howland Island, as a lot of pundits suggest, & it certainly did not land on the exposed reef platform of Gardner Island everyone suggests it reached. That idea is preposterous! For 2 million US a dedicated search using Ocean Infinity technology would probably find it within 20 days (unless the whole thing has since been silted over.
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I've had a close look at this incident & it is my humble opinion the plane is to the north north west of Howland Island, perhaps within 100km (60 miles. The plane is not to the south of Howland Island, as a lot of pundits suggest, & it certainly did not land on the exposed reef platform of Gardner Island everyone suggests it reached. That idea is preposterous! For 2 million US a dedicated search using Ocean Infinity technology would probably find it within 20 days (unless the whole thing has since been silted over.
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-jazzdub4958
One of the 20th century greatest ever icons and bravest souls. Briefly studied Earhart back in high school and her career and fateful ending has always fascinated me. A dreadful ending whichever way you like to think both Earhart and Noonan finished life out there in the vast space of nothingness. I'd hope they did crash land onto Gardner Is and waited it out amongst the ravenous crabs rather than sinking beneath the cold waves of the Pacific Ocean. Great narration.
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One of the 20th century greatest ever icons and bravest souls. Briefly studied Earhart back in high school and her career and fateful ending has always fascinated me. A dreadful ending whichever way you like to think both Earhart and Noonan finished life out there in the vast space of nothingness. I'd hope they did crash land onto Gardner Is and waited it out amongst the ravenous crabs rather than sinking beneath the cold waves of the Pacific Ocean. Great narration.
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-TimRiener
Not to completely discount this work, but I have more than a few nit-picking issues with inaccuracies. I'll just point out one of them here: The narrator says that Amelia left Lae (New Guinea) on an -8 hour flight to Howland Island. - That's not correct. It was planned as an -20 hour flight (plus or minus. The graphics and discussion later covered by the narrator confirm that the flight plan was 20 hours, so not sure why the incorrect -8 hour- statement was made.
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Not to completely discount this work, but I have more than a few nit-picking issues with inaccuracies. I'll just point out one of them here: The narrator says that Amelia left Lae (New Guinea) on an -8 hour flight to Howland Island. - That's not correct. It was planned as an -20 hour flight (plus or minus. The graphics and discussion later covered by the narrator confirm that the flight plan was 20 hours, so not sure why the incorrect -8 hour- statement was made.
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-nickbonavita1379
There's another possibility and that is that Amelia and Fred were captured by the Japanese. There were island people who claimed seeing a tall white woman and man being held by the Japanese military. There's even some photos but they're not close enough and the woman has her back turned to the camera. Unfortunately by now all those people are dead. Hoping that someday someone finds her plane sitting on the bottom of the ocean to put an end to all this. .
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There's another possibility and that is that Amelia and Fred were captured by the Japanese. There were island people who claimed seeing a tall white woman and man being held by the Japanese military. There's even some photos but they're not close enough and the woman has her back turned to the camera. Unfortunately by now all those people are dead. Hoping that someday someone finds her plane sitting on the bottom of the ocean to put an end to all this. .
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-AlexIsModded
Fuel might have been low or run out, but if they were at 10k feet, and given how great Electra's systems were, they would have been able to glide to Howland Island. What people don't know about aircrafts is that they don't drop straight out of the sky when the engines give out or when fuel runs out. That leads me to believe that due to the winds and thick clouds, they were knocked off course and went the wrong way, then eventually crash landed in the ocean.
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Fuel might have been low or run out, but if they were at 10k feet, and given how great Electra's systems were, they would have been able to glide to Howland Island. What people don't know about aircrafts is that they don't drop straight out of the sky when the engines give out or when fuel runs out. That leads me to believe that due to the winds and thick clouds, they were knocked off course and went the wrong way, then eventually crash landed in the ocean.
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-clarkridlen1966
Her radio receive antenna was crippled when she took off from New Guinea because of the huge fuel load. Her plane is 40 to 80 miles North/Northwest of Howland Island on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean in deep water and rugged terrain. That is why you read all of these crackpot theories that claim to solve the mystery. It's because it will take the best equipment on Earth and millions and millions of dollars along with lots of time to ever find that plane.
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Her radio receive antenna was crippled when she took off from New Guinea because of the huge fuel load. Her plane is 40 to 80 miles North/Northwest of Howland Island on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean in deep water and rugged terrain. That is why you read all of these crackpot theories that claim to solve the mystery. It's because it will take the best equipment on Earth and millions and millions of dollars along with lots of time to ever find that plane.
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-neatstuff1988
We know for certain that Airheart did not go down in the ocean and sank like the navy said. She continued to make radio calls for a week from a triangulated nickomorro. The problem was that the navy could not get to her before she expires. The reason is simple. The Itasca was out of fuel and could not make the day and a 1/2 trip to Nico. They had to wait for Aircraft Carrier to come from Hawaii to refuel them.
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We know for certain that Airheart did not go down in the ocean and sank like the navy said. She continued to make radio calls for a week from a triangulated nickomorro. The problem was that the navy could not get to her before she expires. The reason is simple. The Itasca was out of fuel and could not make the day and a 1/2 trip to Nico. They had to wait for Aircraft Carrier to come from Hawaii to refuel them.
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-rongendron8705
Why did Amelia Earhart make so many stops on her -Round-the-World- flight? Was it
to help publicize the trip? Also, why did it take 42 days, with another few days to follow,
to complete this journey? Earhart could have cut this flight in half, by staying on a northerly
route, as Howard Hughes did, making his -RTW- flight in days & not weeks! R. I. P. Amelia!
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Why did Amelia Earhart make so many stops on her -Round-the-World- flight? Was it
to help publicize the trip? Also, why did it take 42 days, with another few days to follow,
to complete this journey? Earhart could have cut this flight in half, by staying on a northerly
route, as Howard Hughes did, making his -RTW- flight in days & not weeks! R. I. P. Amelia!
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-lewis7315
As a navigator, I know all too well how easy it is to make a small error to send you a long way off course.
In that era with such primitive radio bearing navigation, finding an island can be a daunting task. With a malfunction radio, very difficult. Quite frankly, the overwhelming odds are that they were lost at sea.
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As a navigator, I know all too well how easy it is to make a small error to send you a long way off course.
In that era with such primitive radio bearing navigation, finding an island can be a daunting task. With a malfunction radio, very difficult. Quite frankly, the overwhelming odds are that they were lost at sea.
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-williamcarey8529
My opinion about Earhart's disappearance is that she was on a spy mission for the US government taking secret photographs of the area because the Japanese military was fortifying islands in that area. I believe that Earhart and Noonan were captured by the Japanese military and executed as spies.
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My opinion about Earhart's disappearance is that she was on a spy mission for the US government taking secret photographs of the area because the Japanese military was fortifying islands in that area. I believe that Earhart and Noonan were captured by the Japanese military and executed as spies.
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-neatstuff1988
They could get to neko because they realized they were in trouble and started there before Ever reaching howland. They had to then sound because if they weren't they wouldn't they would have never made it, and we know they did make It.
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They could get to neko because they realized they were in trouble and started there before Ever reaching howland. They had to then sound because if they weren't they wouldn't they would have never made it, and we know they did make It.
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knowledgia
I-m
Amazed at how many people still don-t know the truth. Try watching the documentary
Earhart's Electra She and Fred were put in prison and killed for being spy-s.
Numerous witnesses verified they were captured by the Japanese.
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I-m
Amazed at how many people still don-t know the truth. Try watching the documentary
Earhart's Electra She and Fred were put in prison and killed for being spy-s.
Numerous witnesses verified they were captured by the Japanese.
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knowledgia
When they hit the strong sustained headwinds they should have turned back unless fuel was already too low for that even with what would become a tailwind going the other direction. Did that make any sense? I'm no pilot.
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When they hit the strong sustained headwinds they should have turned back unless fuel was already too low for that even with what would become a tailwind going the other direction. Did that make any sense? I'm no pilot.
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-zeke2566
Earhart was a great pioneering aviator but a terrible pilot by all accounts. Noonan was a heavy drinker and when things went south he put a bag on and they hit the ocean at 200 hundred plus- end of sad story- R. I. P.
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Earhart was a great pioneering aviator but a terrible pilot by all accounts. Noonan was a heavy drinker and when things went south he put a bag on and they hit the ocean at 200 hundred plus- end of sad story- R. I. P.
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-redtomcat1725
I read that she had dysentery and Fred had a drinking problem. Finally, they were unfamiliar with their radio equipment/direction finder. She was an adventurer. She set out poorly prepared!
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I read that she had dysentery and Fred had a drinking problem. Finally, they were unfamiliar with their radio equipment/direction finder. She was an adventurer. She set out poorly prepared!
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-crow9553
What a bunch of hooey! The Electra crashed into the Pacific Ocean and sank to the bottom with Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan in it. Anybody who believes otherwise is dumber than a bag of rocks.
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What a bunch of hooey! The Electra crashed into the Pacific Ocean and sank to the bottom with Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan in it. Anybody who believes otherwise is dumber than a bag of rocks.
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-mikesands4681
I believe a woman circumnavigated the globe around 1928 as a passenger of a zeppelin, 8 years before Earhart's journey in a aeroplane. She was attempting to set the record as a pilot.
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I believe a woman circumnavigated the globe around 1928 as a passenger of a zeppelin, 8 years before Earhart's journey in a aeroplane. She was attempting to set the record as a pilot.
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-Kapiletti
Maybe she ended up there and later they found it to be true, so to avoid the bad repercussion since they did not checked the first time they saw the -camp- they erased the evidence.
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Maybe she ended up there and later they found it to be true, so to avoid the bad repercussion since they did not checked the first time they saw the -camp- they erased the evidence.
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-user-xj2ly7oj9x
Every indication, based on the ground crews that were involved as well as other pilots pointed to her laziness and unwillingness to take inspections or maintenance seriously.
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Every indication, based on the ground crews that were involved as well as other pilots pointed to her laziness and unwillingness to take inspections or maintenance seriously.
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-markdaniel8740
She did nothing that a man hadn't already done. The press followed her to spread the narrative that flying is so easy and safe that even a woman can do it.
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She did nothing that a man hadn't already done. The press followed her to spread the narrative that flying is so easy and safe that even a woman can do it.
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-SkunkMonkey991
My buddy has an original photo of her, Noonan and the plane fueling up. His grandfather took it while in the Army. They disappeared a few days later.
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My buddy has an original photo of her, Noonan and the plane fueling up. His grandfather took it while in the Army. They disappeared a few days later.
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-wilburbonzo
It's not Amelia EAR-hart, it's Amelia err-hart, narration must be one of those dumb AIs, also it's perhaps not pehraps, and these bones not this bones.
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It's not Amelia EAR-hart, it's Amelia err-hart, narration must be one of those dumb AIs, also it's perhaps not pehraps, and these bones not this bones.
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-user-nu6tp2cc5d
The Japanese murdered her and her co-pilot is what happened to her when she landed on different island. This has been covered up all this time.
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The Japanese murdered her and her co-pilot is what happened to her when she landed on different island. This has been covered up all this time.
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-Mike-ky9jz
Actually. she was way off course.
She landed on an island controlled by the Japanese. she became a prisoner.
Died on one of the islands
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Actually. she was way off course.
She landed on an island controlled by the Japanese. she became a prisoner.
Died on one of the islands
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