When is anger justified A philosophical inquiry - Delaney Thull
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Date: 2024-03-08
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user-pu4lv6pr5v
I do like the Confucian notion of anger. Righteousness is a moral emotion that arise from anger, while the severity of the anger might be different, the emotional impetus to act righteous is there. One feel anger when people act contrary to propriety, and the anger is thus justified in that it tries to fix what is in essence a break in relation to restore propriety. In other word anger become righteous when it is aimed at restoring relation and propriety. Even if we may fail to act in accordance with righteousness, the seed is at least there. But we can be sure to act in accordance with what is righteous by following our nature or propriety. Nature and propriety being linked, but the question is what makes acts righteous. Is it the clan or local community that determines what is right, or is it universal based on our nature
For example for Mencius to act in accordance to ones nature is to be virtuous, because our nature is good, meaning it has the sprouts of virtues like humanness and righteousness. Emotions and feelings being manifestations of such virtues, like propriety which arise out of human nature.
Xunzi on the other hand found found that we can only be virtuous by acting in accordance with propriety, which develops in the local community over generations.
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I do like the Confucian notion of anger. Righteousness is a moral emotion that arise from anger, while the severity of the anger might be different, the emotional impetus to act righteous is there. One feel anger when people act contrary to propriety, and the anger is thus justified in that it tries to fix what is in essence a break in relation to restore propriety. In other word anger become righteous when it is aimed at restoring relation and propriety. Even if we may fail to act in accordance with righteousness, the seed is at least there. But we can be sure to act in accordance with what is righteous by following our nature or propriety. Nature and propriety being linked, but the question is what makes acts righteous. Is it the clan or local community that determines what is right, or is it universal based on our nature
For example for Mencius to act in accordance to ones nature is to be virtuous, because our nature is good, meaning it has the sprouts of virtues like humanness and righteousness. Emotions and feelings being manifestations of such virtues, like propriety which arise out of human nature.
Xunzi on the other hand found found that we can only be virtuous by acting in accordance with propriety, which develops in the local community over generations.
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km1dash6
I think the Dalai Lama once said anger can be compassionate, and I would say that kind of anger would be born out of injustice.
The philosopher Marshall Rosenberg, however, believed anger is a signal you don't understand what your needs are.
Shantideva, likely, was referring to a specific type of anger born from arrogance, as Buddhists personified anger and syncretzed it with the asuras from vedic traditions.
There is even a Ted talk about how anger can be like gasoline, dangerous when sprayed everywhere but powerful in an engine.
All this is to say there seems to be different kinds of anger: anger born from arrogance, anger born from injustice, and anger born from ignorance of ones needs. Of these three, it seems like anger born from injustice is morally good. Sometimes it can be the most compassionate response. It can help us keep fighting for justice. It's very hard to be angry and tired at the same time. However, we can see how it can quickly devolve into immoral types of anger.
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I think the Dalai Lama once said anger can be compassionate, and I would say that kind of anger would be born out of injustice.
The philosopher Marshall Rosenberg, however, believed anger is a signal you don't understand what your needs are.
Shantideva, likely, was referring to a specific type of anger born from arrogance, as Buddhists personified anger and syncretzed it with the asuras from vedic traditions.
There is even a Ted talk about how anger can be like gasoline, dangerous when sprayed everywhere but powerful in an engine.
All this is to say there seems to be different kinds of anger: anger born from arrogance, anger born from injustice, and anger born from ignorance of ones needs. Of these three, it seems like anger born from injustice is morally good. Sometimes it can be the most compassionate response. It can help us keep fighting for justice. It's very hard to be angry and tired at the same time. However, we can see how it can quickly devolve into immoral types of anger.
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thaikeaugusto4356
PhD psychologist Marshall Rosenberg, creator of non-violent communication, teaches that anger's an emotion triggered by judgment. It's like a desire to punish for that we've judged wrong. In his work, that's always bad, since we're not to judge, but seek empathy and communicate our needs so that the person who's making us angry can have the opportunity to care for us, and grow in the process.
As a clinical psychologist myself I don't know yet if I agree fully with him, but I do know that, in my experience, my anger is frequently tied to judgments I make and, being so, shows me I've been judging a person or situation by my needs lens, not empathetically.
Just adding to the video.
Great work as always, TED.
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PhD psychologist Marshall Rosenberg, creator of non-violent communication, teaches that anger's an emotion triggered by judgment. It's like a desire to punish for that we've judged wrong. In his work, that's always bad, since we're not to judge, but seek empathy and communicate our needs so that the person who's making us angry can have the opportunity to care for us, and grow in the process.
As a clinical psychologist myself I don't know yet if I agree fully with him, but I do know that, in my experience, my anger is frequently tied to judgments I make and, being so, shows me I've been judging a person or situation by my needs lens, not empathetically.
Just adding to the video.
Great work as always, TED.
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RidireOiche
In my opinion, anger is appropriateeven righteousas fuel for change when your nation has been occupied for generations by an enemy of humanity who acts with impunity supported militarily by an imposing, genocidal imperial power, neither of whom acknowledges you as a human being or your human rights and actively endeavours to obliterate your culture, your history, and your people in order to claim your country for their own. Alternatively, any armed resistance that is motivated by rage in such a hopeless situation is justified _illegal and morally wrong_ but still justified when all nonviolent forms of resistance are ignored or met with assaults, raids, abductions, murders, and worse.
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In my opinion, anger is appropriateeven righteousas fuel for change when your nation has been occupied for generations by an enemy of humanity who acts with impunity supported militarily by an imposing, genocidal imperial power, neither of whom acknowledges you as a human being or your human rights and actively endeavours to obliterate your culture, your history, and your people in order to claim your country for their own. Alternatively, any armed resistance that is motivated by rage in such a hopeless situation is justified _illegal and morally wrong_ but still justified when all nonviolent forms of resistance are ignored or met with assaults, raids, abductions, murders, and worse.
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_Smarf_
I have serious bipolar and anger / rage is a part of my day-to-day life. Sometimes anger is something you need professional help for and medication and therapy are the only answers. Philosophies like stoicism and taoism help but are not a solution on their own. If you feel like the anger you experience may be abnormal, I highly recommend seeking out your local mental health services. A lot of them work on a sliding scale based on income. Good luck to everyone out there.
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I have serious bipolar and anger / rage is a part of my day-to-day life. Sometimes anger is something you need professional help for and medication and therapy are the only answers. Philosophies like stoicism and taoism help but are not a solution on their own. If you feel like the anger you experience may be abnormal, I highly recommend seeking out your local mental health services. A lot of them work on a sliding scale based on income. Good luck to everyone out there.
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userMB1
You only have one true ally in your brain: your intellect. Your emotions, feelings, thoughts and desires are all giving valuable albeit corrupt information most of the time. The first two are either too intense or too mild, the thoughts that pop up are simply false most of the time and your desires can seriously led you astray. It is up to your intellect to question them and make the best possible choice.
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You only have one true ally in your brain: your intellect. Your emotions, feelings, thoughts and desires are all giving valuable albeit corrupt information most of the time. The first two are either too intense or too mild, the thoughts that pop up are simply false most of the time and your desires can seriously led you astray. It is up to your intellect to question them and make the best possible choice.
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BenTrem42
_What I happened to post minutes ago: _
Whether its bitter resentment against conservatives, or corporatists, or woke libs, or illegal aliens, resentment/anger would affect one's agenda, their aims and goals.
The person's attitude affects the standards they apply as they're making choices and decisions.
Tone and tactic are chosen according to that person's aims.
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_What I happened to post minutes ago: _
Whether its bitter resentment against conservatives, or corporatists, or woke libs, or illegal aliens, resentment/anger would affect one's agenda, their aims and goals.
The person's attitude affects the standards they apply as they're making choices and decisions.
Tone and tactic are chosen according to that person's aims.
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sunflower823
Every emotion is there for a reason. And anger has its own place. Getting angry over something unjust, unfair or witnessing a wrong doing and then doing something to address the issue would be anger propelling you to do what was needed to. On the hand hurting people or animals or smashing objects when angry
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Every emotion is there for a reason. And anger has its own place. Getting angry over something unjust, unfair or witnessing a wrong doing and then doing something to address the issue would be anger propelling you to do what was needed to. On the hand hurting people or animals or smashing objects when angry
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ted_ed
Feel anger Is ok. It Is like Is someone hurts you, it Is ok feel sad and cry but then you have to control your emotions and act with serenity and wisdom. So yeah anger Is good and normal. But you shouldnt Let that anger control you. You need to act calm in order to avoid mistakes
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Feel anger Is ok. It Is like Is someone hurts you, it Is ok feel sad and cry but then you have to control your emotions and act with serenity and wisdom. So yeah anger Is good and normal. But you shouldnt Let that anger control you. You need to act calm in order to avoid mistakes
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abhishekbade3485
Believe in letting go and miracles would happen. But sometimes you need to let it out or it will be pushy on yourselves and others around you. If it is not discussed with root cause so talking with calmed mindset and normal pitch is necessarily essential manytimes
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Believe in letting go and miracles would happen. But sometimes you need to let it out or it will be pushy on yourselves and others around you. If it is not discussed with root cause so talking with calmed mindset and normal pitch is necessarily essential manytimes
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joshuamatkin8306
The question is wrong. The question should be when does one use anger and act on it Anger is a feeling and not something one can control feeling but one that we get to decide on how to act. Separating the action and the emotion/feeling
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The question is wrong. The question should be when does one use anger and act on it Anger is a feeling and not something one can control feeling but one that we get to decide on how to act. Separating the action and the emotion/feeling
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tannisthagupta9987
I liked the video even before fully watching it, which is the opposite thing to do on a video that asks us to think more, rather than being swayed by our feelings. But it is Ted Ed and I was acting out of love, not anger. :P
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I liked the video even before fully watching it, which is the opposite thing to do on a video that asks us to think more, rather than being swayed by our feelings. But it is Ted Ed and I was acting out of love, not anger. :P
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ted_ed
Very insightful video, Ted-Ed. This brings to mind a piece of wisdom spoken by the great stoic Epictetus; Any person capable of angering you becomes your master;
he can anger you only when you permit yourself to be disturbed by him.
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Very insightful video, Ted-Ed. This brings to mind a piece of wisdom spoken by the great stoic Epictetus; Any person capable of angering you becomes your master;
he can anger you only when you permit yourself to be disturbed by him.
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suteners2111
let me tell you this. Eye for an eye is only solution. anger is always justification to beat and kill, humans understand only violence, once pain is involved only then humans will think and change.
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let me tell you this. Eye for an eye is only solution. anger is always justification to beat and kill, humans understand only violence, once pain is involved only then humans will think and change.
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jessicajayes8326
I feel angry about wrinkly old congressmen trying to ban TikTok because they don't understand it but know younger people use it. It goes against the First Amendment!
Sorry.
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I feel angry about wrinkly old congressmen trying to ban TikTok because they don't understand it but know younger people use it. It goes against the First Amendment!
Sorry.
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youngmasterzhi
Some people say it is better to attract flies with honey than with vinegar, but why attract the vectors of disease and let it spread further in your community
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Some people say it is better to attract flies with honey than with vinegar, but why attract the vectors of disease and let it spread further in your community
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cliniclown8786
Everyone is always acting in the best possible way they think they should or can act at a given time, with their available information. Some food for thought.
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Everyone is always acting in the best possible way they think they should or can act at a given time, with their available information. Some food for thought.
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MrJdebest
I knew a guy who was angry all the time. The result was that nobody dared to ask him to do his job. So it worked well for him. He didn't have to do anything.
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I knew a guy who was angry all the time. The result was that nobody dared to ask him to do his job. So it worked well for him. He didn't have to do anything.
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phoenixflamegames1
You should at least be aware of your anger, so that you might think more rationally about it. And in some moments, it's definitely a proper answer.
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You should at least be aware of your anger, so that you might think more rationally about it. And in some moments, it's definitely a proper answer.
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joshuaharmon6684
Justified: Having or shown to have a just, right, OR reasonable basis.
Anger is justified whenever it is reasonable, according to Merriam-Webster
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Justified: Having or shown to have a just, right, OR reasonable basis.
Anger is justified whenever it is reasonable, according to Merriam-Webster
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