Ideasthesia: How do ideas feel? - Danko Nikoli
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Date: 2020-08-22
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Michael
Does this mean that we cannot experience qualia unless we have certain ideas in our mind to begin with? That sounds a bit too far-fetched, because that would mean that babies who lack any knowledge of the world will have very limited if not nonexistent experiences, something vastly different from the way children and adults experience the world. So if what is being said is that our experiences are completely defined by our ideas, then that sounds too extreme.
Perhaps what is being said is that our experiences are to some extent influenced by our ideas. That makes more sense but I'll probably say that the ideas which we associate with certain experiences would conjure up certain other experiences when the former are had instead of influencing the former experience itself. If I associate hot with red, for instance, then I may think and conjure up the idea of a hot experience whenever I see that colour, but that does not mean that my red experience itself feels any different or is in some sense shaped by that association.
This doesn't mean that the traditional model of sense data first being processed then interpreted by our brains is wrong, but rather that there is an additional set of sense data conjured up by the way our brains interpret this initial sense data.
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Does this mean that we cannot experience qualia unless we have certain ideas in our mind to begin with? That sounds a bit too far-fetched, because that would mean that babies who lack any knowledge of the world will have very limited if not nonexistent experiences, something vastly different from the way children and adults experience the world. So if what is being said is that our experiences are completely defined by our ideas, then that sounds too extreme.
Perhaps what is being said is that our experiences are to some extent influenced by our ideas. That makes more sense but I'll probably say that the ideas which we associate with certain experiences would conjure up certain other experiences when the former are had instead of influencing the former experience itself. If I associate hot with red, for instance, then I may think and conjure up the idea of a hot experience whenever I see that colour, but that does not mean that my red experience itself feels any different or is in some sense shaped by that association.
This doesn't mean that the traditional model of sense data first being processed then interpreted by our brains is wrong, but rather that there is an additional set of sense data conjured up by the way our brains interpret this initial sense data.
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Jonas
We, the part of our mind that experiences stuff creating the illusion that we are a conscious being located somewhere behind our eyes are not actually thinking, but rather experiencing our thoughts along with all the other sensations which we are aware of, constantly judging and rating them, so that the neural networks whose job it is to abstract sensory information or create impulses/ideas to do or think something can get better at what they are doing. What distinguishes our thoughts from the other sensations, is that they respond immediately to how we rate them. Constantly adjusting. Our consciousness is the equivalent of what you would call a fitness function in machine learning. Without one, a neural network can't learn anything. Any animal with a brain probably has something similar, the main difference being, that they don't have as many layers of abstraction than we do, which are necessary for what we experience as abstract thinking.
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We, the part of our mind that experiences stuff creating the illusion that we are a conscious being located somewhere behind our eyes are not actually thinking, but rather experiencing our thoughts along with all the other sensations which we are aware of, constantly judging and rating them, so that the neural networks whose job it is to abstract sensory information or create impulses/ideas to do or think something can get better at what they are doing. What distinguishes our thoughts from the other sensations, is that they respond immediately to how we rate them. Constantly adjusting. Our consciousness is the equivalent of what you would call a fitness function in machine learning. Without one, a neural network can't learn anything. Any animal with a brain probably has something similar, the main difference being, that they don't have as many layers of abstraction than we do, which are necessary for what we experience as abstract thinking.
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Catherine
Can anyone help me with this? Ive had this question my entire life. Whenever i remember some particular event that has happened to me i get this particular feeling. Like I have special emotion for that event only then there is another emotion for another event but I cant name that emotion. For example, i had a really nice experience in last years christmas, so whenever i remember that day i always always get like a happy feeling and its the same feeling every time i remember it. The memory of a particular moment brings me a particular feeling but each feeling is different for every memory. I dont think its synesthesia because I dont associate it with colors or any of that but rather with sort of emotions and i cant control it. Anyone else? Is this normal?
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Can anyone help me with this? Ive had this question my entire life. Whenever i remember some particular event that has happened to me i get this particular feeling. Like I have special emotion for that event only then there is another emotion for another event but I cant name that emotion. For example, i had a really nice experience in last years christmas, so whenever i remember that day i always always get like a happy feeling and its the same feeling every time i remember it. The memory of a particular moment brings me a particular feeling but each feeling is different for every memory. I dont think its synesthesia because I dont associate it with colors or any of that but rather with sort of emotions and i cant control it. Anyone else? Is this normal?
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Dan
I agree with the vast majority of this, but in my own personal experience with colour>grapheme ideasthesia (perceiving letters, numbers and words as a certain colour) I've found that it isn't completely innate in everyone. Most people I've spoken to about it say they don't have the same innate connection towards graphemes and colours (eg. I've always perceived letters and numbers as specific colours and didn't realise everyone didn't do the same until adulthood. Although they also have a sort of feeling)
I think the difference is 'Interpretation' and 'Perception'. For me letters/numbers and colours have always been the same, rather than interpreting it.
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I agree with the vast majority of this, but in my own personal experience with colour>grapheme ideasthesia (perceiving letters, numbers and words as a certain colour) I've found that it isn't completely innate in everyone. Most people I've spoken to about it say they don't have the same innate connection towards graphemes and colours (eg. I've always perceived letters and numbers as specific colours and didn't realise everyone didn't do the same until adulthood. Although they also have a sort of feeling)
I think the difference is 'Interpretation' and 'Perception'. For me letters/numbers and colours have always been the same, rather than interpreting it.
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Isa
i have a question, i have been all over the internet asking what the heck do i expirience and the answer is always synesthesia, but i dont connect colors with days and numbers etc, but what i expirience is especific images in my brain that connect with numbers days hours years months etc. do any of you guys expirience the same?
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i have a question, i have been all over the internet asking what the heck do i expirience and the answer is always synesthesia, but i dont connect colors with days and numbers etc, but what i expirience is especific images in my brain that connect with numbers days hours years months etc. do any of you guys expirience the same?
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Beccameg
I think of tastes in interesting ways, a wide taste and horizontal taste would be the same thing. A long taste and a vertical taste would be the same thing. I dont like walnuts because they taste too wide, I have no idea how else to describe it, and when people ask me why I dont like them, I never know what to say.
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I think of tastes in interesting ways, a wide taste and horizontal taste would be the same thing. A long taste and a vertical taste would be the same thing. I dont like walnuts because they taste too wide, I have no idea how else to describe it, and when people ask me why I dont like them, I never know what to say.
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relax
I have always felt that 6 and 7 are the cute couple 9 is sassy and smart everyone wants to be with her 8 is jealous of 6 and seven being a couple. I associate 4 with the colour yellow friendly and charming. 2 is a nerd boy and 1 is I don't care person.
Do numbers have personalities?
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I have always felt that 6 and 7 are the cute couple 9 is sassy and smart everyone wants to be with her 8 is jealous of 6 and seven being a couple. I associate 4 with the colour yellow friendly and charming. 2 is a nerd boy and 1 is I don't care person.
Do numbers have personalities?
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Gustav
This is exactly what i figured Einstein was on to with the relativity theory. Since everything is relative not only our ideas are relative to us but also relative to themselves. Where our meaning(or idea) of 'Large' is relative to a completely other statement 'Elephant' and vice versa.
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This is exactly what i figured Einstein was on to with the relativity theory. Since everything is relative not only our ideas are relative to us but also relative to themselves. Where our meaning(or idea) of 'Large' is relative to a completely other statement 'Elephant' and vice versa.
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Kidedaion
4 is blue, a nervous guy, the younger sibling of 5, a rebelious and adventurous girl, mostly yellow, who likes to hang out with her cousin, 6. He is mostly chill all the time.
B and V are sisters, V is the younger, just like M and N. B and M are friends, and so are V and N.
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4 is blue, a nervous guy, the younger sibling of 5, a rebelious and adventurous girl, mostly yellow, who likes to hang out with her cousin, 6. He is mostly chill all the time.
B and V are sisters, V is the younger, just like M and N. B and M are friends, and so are V and N.
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Adam
This video went really deep and I found it a bit hard to follow, but I got it eventually. All credit to Ted-Ed though, they're animations made it possible for me to get it. The concepts discussed in this video are really interesting. Thanks for sharing: )
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This video went really deep and I found it a bit hard to follow, but I got it eventually. All credit to Ted-Ed though, they're animations made it possible for me to get it. The concepts discussed in this video are really interesting. Thanks for sharing: )
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