The Mystery Of The Vanished Roman Legion The Ninth Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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SNP1999
There has always been something that has bothered me with the now prevailant theory that Legio IX Hispana was first reallocated to Nijmegen, then to Syria to be subsequently lost there, possibly in the Judaean uprising during Hadrian's reign as emperor. Why move a legion across the ocean just to have it replaced by another, Legio VI Victrix, which then was stationed at Eboracum/ York until the closing years of Roman Britannia in the early 5th century AD? The movement of a whole legion was a massive logistical and personal upheaval for the legionaries serving in that legion, who had families that would be left behind, regardless of the fact that they were not officially allowed to marry. Normal procedure for decades had been to send parts of a legion, vexillations, to take part in campaigns and wars taking place in other parts of the empire, as Legio IX and the other legions of Britannia did during the civil wars of AD 69 - 70, and during Trajan's Dacian wars of the early 2nd century AD. To move one legion only to replace it by another was just not what the Romans did, unless something terrible had occured, such as a mutiny or the destruction of a legion, as happened after AD 9 when Varus lost his legions in the Teutoburg Forest - not one of his legions, the XVII, XVIII and XIX, were raised again by Augustus, their numbers remaining open in the list of legions for all time. Now then, two whole legions were allegedly moved, the IXth and the VIth. That Legio IX Hispana disappeared from the list of legions sometime in the early 2nd century, is not doubted, only when and where. Okay, some centurions who had previously served in Legio IX were later stationed at Nijmegen, but that doesn't mean that the whole legion was also there at the same time, and a potential transfer of the legion to the east is just as hypothetical as any other scenario that has been put forward to explain the loss of the legion. My bet is still on the loss of Legio IX Hispana in Britannia during Hadrian's early reign, for some unknown reason or another, probably after a military disaster in which the legion was annihilated in battle. My guess is however as good as yours.
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There has always been something that has bothered me with the now prevailant theory that Legio IX Hispana was first reallocated to Nijmegen, then to Syria to be subsequently lost there, possibly in the Judaean uprising during Hadrian's reign as emperor. Why move a legion across the ocean just to have it replaced by another, Legio VI Victrix, which then was stationed at Eboracum/ York until the closing years of Roman Britannia in the early 5th century AD? The movement of a whole legion was a massive logistical and personal upheaval for the legionaries serving in that legion, who had families that would be left behind, regardless of the fact that they were not officially allowed to marry. Normal procedure for decades had been to send parts of a legion, vexillations, to take part in campaigns and wars taking place in other parts of the empire, as Legio IX and the other legions of Britannia did during the civil wars of AD 69 - 70, and during Trajan's Dacian wars of the early 2nd century AD. To move one legion only to replace it by another was just not what the Romans did, unless something terrible had occured, such as a mutiny or the destruction of a legion, as happened after AD 9 when Varus lost his legions in the Teutoburg Forest - not one of his legions, the XVII, XVIII and XIX, were raised again by Augustus, their numbers remaining open in the list of legions for all time. Now then, two whole legions were allegedly moved, the IXth and the VIth. That Legio IX Hispana disappeared from the list of legions sometime in the early 2nd century, is not doubted, only when and where. Okay, some centurions who had previously served in Legio IX were later stationed at Nijmegen, but that doesn't mean that the whole legion was also there at the same time, and a potential transfer of the legion to the east is just as hypothetical as any other scenario that has been put forward to explain the loss of the legion. My bet is still on the loss of Legio IX Hispana in Britannia during Hadrian's early reign, for some unknown reason or another, probably after a military disaster in which the legion was annihilated in battle. My guess is however as good as yours.
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Francisco
Yep, lets make a mistery out of nothing, great stuff, specially if that help us selling frivolous videos or novels. In 4000 years, hundreds of legions, armies, regiments, companies, and units of any kind have been organized, renamed, disbanded, reorganized, subsumed, renowed and discharged. What makes de Hispana special? Do we know exactly what hapenned, how and when with the Armeniaca, Britannica, Gallicana, Gemina, Adiutrix and so many others? There is nothing special with the Hispana, and knowing how and when was disbanded does not apport anything of special interest regarding the history of western civilization.
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Yep, lets make a mistery out of nothing, great stuff, specially if that help us selling frivolous videos or novels. In 4000 years, hundreds of legions, armies, regiments, companies, and units of any kind have been organized, renamed, disbanded, reorganized, subsumed, renowed and discharged. What makes de Hispana special? Do we know exactly what hapenned, how and when with the Armeniaca, Britannica, Gallicana, Gemina, Adiutrix and so many others? There is nothing special with the Hispana, and knowing how and when was disbanded does not apport anything of special interest regarding the history of western civilization.
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walter
in 1979, my ship was moored in New Plymouth NZ and several snipes working in engineering dept ran into some guy who knew people at the local (newly built) power plant. This guy was actively recruiting people to work at the power plant and by the end of the day, 20 US navy sailors were trying to decide whether to either stay in the US navy or renounce their citizenship and become kiwis. The recruiter's offer was very generous. first year, free rent, great wages, a car and a TV. In the end, nobody stayed, but just saying that sometimes, the grass really is greener somewhere else.
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in 1979, my ship was moored in New Plymouth NZ and several snipes working in engineering dept ran into some guy who knew people at the local (newly built) power plant. This guy was actively recruiting people to work at the power plant and by the end of the day, 20 US navy sailors were trying to decide whether to either stay in the US navy or renounce their citizenship and become kiwis. The recruiter's offer was very generous. first year, free rent, great wages, a car and a TV. In the end, nobody stayed, but just saying that sometimes, the grass really is greener somewhere else.
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TheDeborah2
No mystery. They were ambushed by Celts somewhere east of the Lincoln area. As 25% of the attacking Celts were female they were so embarrassed by this they never reformed them. We know this for fact as the Celts left 3 survivors who went back to Rome and as a matter of record told their superiors and were more than likely killed to stop the story that a percentage of the attackers were female.
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No mystery. They were ambushed by Celts somewhere east of the Lincoln area. As 25% of the attacking Celts were female they were so embarrassed by this they never reformed them. We know this for fact as the Celts left 3 survivors who went back to Rome and as a matter of record told their superiors and were more than likely killed to stop the story that a percentage of the attackers were female.
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German
Easy, they lost a battle, they were destroyed as they destroyed everything in their path. there was no loss at all but a gain for the attacked and bullied countries by the roman empire.
Also, remember that there was a whole legion or legions destroyed in Pompeii by the eruption of the Vesuvius volcano, which was in the middle of the night.
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Easy, they lost a battle, they were destroyed as they destroyed everything in their path. there was no loss at all but a gain for the attacked and bullied countries by the roman empire.
Also, remember that there was a whole legion or legions destroyed in Pompeii by the eruption of the Vesuvius volcano, which was in the middle of the night.
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Adam
I thought the Roman general had 10000 soldiers and defeated boodica? Swore I just watched a documentary where boodica's warriors attacked, tried to flee, but were trapped on the battlefield by their families' wagons that were positioned around the battlefield so they could watch the fight. Am I wrong here?
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I thought the Roman general had 10000 soldiers and defeated boodica? Swore I just watched a documentary where boodica's warriors attacked, tried to flee, but were trapped on the battlefield by their families' wagons that were positioned around the battlefield so they could watch the fight. Am I wrong here?
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Doug
Bloke in the pub told me they were so pee'd off with constant battles and losses of men that they marched north killed their leaders an assimilated into the surrounding roman towns an just kicked back an made babies with the locals.
But then again he also says cats can't walk backwards. so who knows?
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Bloke in the pub told me they were so pee'd off with constant battles and losses of men that they marched north killed their leaders an assimilated into the surrounding roman towns an just kicked back an made babies with the locals.
But then again he also says cats can't walk backwards. so who knows?
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Mr.
UNICEF is in complicity with the dictatorship in Cuba starving and killing kids. Cubans tried several times to denounce these crimes against kids and the UNICEF officers in Havana, Cuba refused to even receive the mothers.
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UNICEF is in complicity with the dictatorship in Cuba starving and killing kids. Cubans tried several times to denounce these crimes against kids and the UNICEF officers in Havana, Cuba refused to even receive the mothers.
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timeline
28. 24 most egregious an incorrect use of the word anarchy! Not acceptable. Anarchy simply means without rulers. Even an army of barbarians has a chief! What you actually mean is Chaos! Not the same at all.
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28. 24 most egregious an incorrect use of the word anarchy! Not acceptable. Anarchy simply means without rulers. Even an army of barbarians has a chief! What you actually mean is Chaos! Not the same at all.
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It's
I dont even watch but 30 seconds into this & immediately suspect this legion either became The Crusaders, Knights of the Templar or found a portal & was actually Seal Team 6 but it was a Roman Secret
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I dont even watch but 30 seconds into this & immediately suspect this legion either became The Crusaders, Knights of the Templar or found a portal & was actually Seal Team 6 but it was a Roman Secret
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Deep
Some have been said to have wandered into China. Check out Li Jien people. Many got that Caucasian features and colored eyes, although the population there is admixed, with Chinese features too.
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Some have been said to have wandered into China. Check out Li Jien people. Many got that Caucasian features and colored eyes, although the population there is admixed, with Chinese features too.
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Luke
Has anyone seen and investigated the link between the ninth legion and the knights legion, which may as well have been pronounced exactly the same in the anglosaxon language of that time?
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Has anyone seen and investigated the link between the ninth legion and the knights legion, which may as well have been pronounced exactly the same in the anglosaxon language of that time?
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Randolph
I think the ninth was merged with other legions if we accept the events they were heavily damaged from the night raid, or simply disbanded due to cover ups to its shameful losses.
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I think the ninth was merged with other legions if we accept the events they were heavily damaged from the night raid, or simply disbanded due to cover ups to its shameful losses.
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Larry
Another pandemic did them in along with a major volcanic event that weaken humanity from resulting crop failures. Hello, has humanity learned anything from its over population. no.
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Another pandemic did them in along with a major volcanic event that weaken humanity from resulting crop failures. Hello, has humanity learned anything from its over population. no.
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James
Very little factual content, but a lot of hot air! Sign up for more 2nd rate nonsense? No thanks, I suggest Timeline - World History needs to go back to Kindergarten & start again!
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Very little factual content, but a lot of hot air! Sign up for more 2nd rate nonsense? No thanks, I suggest Timeline - World History needs to go back to Kindergarten & start again!
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Alex
There is village just outside Aberdeen called Kintore, It was a huge Roman fort its on the road to Bennachie, Thats where you will find your beloved 9th probably buried in the bog
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There is village just outside Aberdeen called Kintore, It was a huge Roman fort its on the road to Bennachie, Thats where you will find your beloved 9th probably buried in the bog
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Tom
I thought that Cesar dispanded the 9th after he became emperor, it was one of his favourite legions, dispanded as a reward for its service. Ah it was reconstituted.
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I thought that Cesar dispanded the 9th after he became emperor, it was one of his favourite legions, dispanded as a reward for its service. Ah it was reconstituted.
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Dirk
This is a story that takes place in the least important province in the Roman Empire. But because it occured in the UK, it's suddenly important and center-stage.
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This is a story that takes place in the least important province in the Roman Empire. But because it occured in the UK, it's suddenly important and center-stage.
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gresach
Some of these historians were speaking in the present tense about past events. A bit jarring - maybe they think that the past is more real than the present?
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Some of these historians were speaking in the present tense about past events. A bit jarring - maybe they think that the past is more real than the present?
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education
Did they happen to have a run in with the Pict tribes? They were headed north, it's a possibility. Maybe not a massacre like the Touterbourg Forrest but.
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Did they happen to have a run in with the Pict tribes? They were headed north, it's a possibility. Maybe not a massacre like the Touterbourg Forrest but.
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