Why You Can Never Argue with Conspiracy Theorists - Argument Clinic
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Date: 2022-07-06
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Afqwa
Nah, this isn't the best argument you can make.
Flat Earth _is_ falsifiable to one standard or another. If your argument is that the Illuminati causes people to flight paths to go in circles to maintain some kind of scientific consensus about a round Earth, that's falsifiable. You can get in a plane start flying in a straight path yourself until you're shot down by the Illuminati anti-aircraft guns or whatever.
It's also implausible in that it defies our prior assumptions -- why would anybody want to waste jet fuel doing this? Illuminati or not? If it's such a big secret then is every commercial tanker, cargo ship and plane also in on the conspiracy? Wouldn't explorers want to visit the edges of the Earth, just like we did with North Pole?
The main problem with conspiracy theories isn't just that they aren't falsifiable, they aren't simple according to Occam's Razor's rule of parsimony. If your new argument requires contingencies which are clearly impossible, or which include extraordinary evidence, then your theory is not a very good theory. It's not unreasonable to claim that there is no teacup orbiting Saturn. That doesn't rest on any outlandish premises, but it's also technically very hard to truly falsify (i. e. proving a negative. However, it also doesn't really contradict any of our priors.
The claim that all swans are white is falsifiable _AND_ also not plausible. It's reasonable to assume there's genetic variation in swan feathers, just as there are variations in pretty much any other species on the planet.
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Nah, this isn't the best argument you can make.
Flat Earth _is_ falsifiable to one standard or another. If your argument is that the Illuminati causes people to flight paths to go in circles to maintain some kind of scientific consensus about a round Earth, that's falsifiable. You can get in a plane start flying in a straight path yourself until you're shot down by the Illuminati anti-aircraft guns or whatever.
It's also implausible in that it defies our prior assumptions -- why would anybody want to waste jet fuel doing this? Illuminati or not? If it's such a big secret then is every commercial tanker, cargo ship and plane also in on the conspiracy? Wouldn't explorers want to visit the edges of the Earth, just like we did with North Pole?
The main problem with conspiracy theories isn't just that they aren't falsifiable, they aren't simple according to Occam's Razor's rule of parsimony. If your new argument requires contingencies which are clearly impossible, or which include extraordinary evidence, then your theory is not a very good theory. It's not unreasonable to claim that there is no teacup orbiting Saturn. That doesn't rest on any outlandish premises, but it's also technically very hard to truly falsify (i. e. proving a negative. However, it also doesn't really contradict any of our priors.
The claim that all swans are white is falsifiable _AND_ also not plausible. It's reasonable to assume there's genetic variation in swan feathers, just as there are variations in pretty much any other species on the planet.
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sarcasm
It's pathetic how many brainwashed fools believe in EVERY conspiracy theory that pops up, no matter how ludicrous and well debunked it is. -
Brainwashed fools who can't even consider the fact that disrespectful people fabricate false conspiracy theories for their own purposes like money, attention or maybe just for fun. -
Brainwashed fools who never ask for trustworthy evidence, and instead refuse to accept any evidence against their beliefs.
A conspiracy theory is not a real conspiracy before it has been proven true by trustworthy evidence. And if it happens, it will be great news outside the conspiracy theorists' world. Arguements aren't going on for years after years like JFK, moonlanding or 9/11 - not talking about the completely idiotic theory that Titanic was switched with her sister ship Olympic due to an insurance scam - almost 110 years ago - wake up, dummies.
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It's pathetic how many brainwashed fools believe in EVERY conspiracy theory that pops up, no matter how ludicrous and well debunked it is. -
Brainwashed fools who can't even consider the fact that disrespectful people fabricate false conspiracy theories for their own purposes like money, attention or maybe just for fun. -
Brainwashed fools who never ask for trustworthy evidence, and instead refuse to accept any evidence against their beliefs.
A conspiracy theory is not a real conspiracy before it has been proven true by trustworthy evidence. And if it happens, it will be great news outside the conspiracy theorists' world. Arguements aren't going on for years after years like JFK, moonlanding or 9/11 - not talking about the completely idiotic theory that Titanic was switched with her sister ship Olympic due to an insurance scam - almost 110 years ago - wake up, dummies.
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Conspiracy
-Scientists actually spend a lot of time trying to disprove their own theories. - Hi, professional conspiracy theorist here. I do that, too! I don't believe in theories like the earth being flat or vaccines being fake, because they aren't -theories- at all. They're misinformation based on nothing, that you can poke holes in easily. And when you do, the people who believe them will attempt to patch those holes with more misinformation based on nothing. There isn't any evidence anywhere. The -theorists- who come up with things like the flat Earth and Antivaxx just take a commonly known fact, and decide they don't believe it anymore, and will make up random stories to try and back their belief up. A true conspiracy theory links together various events and writes a theory around them, reevaluating the theory when they find information that contradicts it.
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-Scientists actually spend a lot of time trying to disprove their own theories. - Hi, professional conspiracy theorist here. I do that, too! I don't believe in theories like the earth being flat or vaccines being fake, because they aren't -theories- at all. They're misinformation based on nothing, that you can poke holes in easily. And when you do, the people who believe them will attempt to patch those holes with more misinformation based on nothing. There isn't any evidence anywhere. The -theorists- who come up with things like the flat Earth and Antivaxx just take a commonly known fact, and decide they don't believe it anymore, and will make up random stories to try and back their belief up. A true conspiracy theory links together various events and writes a theory around them, reevaluating the theory when they find information that contradicts it.
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sarcasm
Of course real conspiracies exist. But just because we don't automatically believe in EVERY conspiracy theory that pops up, doesn't mean we believe everything -the government- tells us. -
Smart people ask for trustworthy evidence before they believe ANYTHING. Most of these theories are baseless fictional stories created by disrespectful people for their own interests like money, attention or just for fun. And they seem to be successful only because a certain kind of people just want to believe in their propaganda - so much that they refuse to even look at, not talking about accepting any evidence against them. -
A conspiracy theory isn't a real conspiracy before it has been proven true by trustworthy evidence. Get it, dummies!
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Of course real conspiracies exist. But just because we don't automatically believe in EVERY conspiracy theory that pops up, doesn't mean we believe everything -the government- tells us. -
Smart people ask for trustworthy evidence before they believe ANYTHING. Most of these theories are baseless fictional stories created by disrespectful people for their own interests like money, attention or just for fun. And they seem to be successful only because a certain kind of people just want to believe in their propaganda - so much that they refuse to even look at, not talking about accepting any evidence against them. -
A conspiracy theory isn't a real conspiracy before it has been proven true by trustworthy evidence. Get it, dummies!
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Eric
Conspiracy theories are religious beliefs. They rest upon faith more than evidence, they give your life some meaning/distraction/order, and people telling you you're wrong doesn't feel like a fact check but rather an assault on your identity and understanding of the world.
My mother in law is a huge conspiracy theorist and is almost impossibly wrong on everything relating to history and current events, and science, and it took me a long time to realize persuasive discussion and cordial debate is not only pointless but soul crushing. I gave up because it's not only counterproductive but it made me feel terrible afterward, like I just got done trying to tell a happy go lucky Mormon that in fact there is no God.
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Conspiracy theories are religious beliefs. They rest upon faith more than evidence, they give your life some meaning/distraction/order, and people telling you you're wrong doesn't feel like a fact check but rather an assault on your identity and understanding of the world.
My mother in law is a huge conspiracy theorist and is almost impossibly wrong on everything relating to history and current events, and science, and it took me a long time to realize persuasive discussion and cordial debate is not only pointless but soul crushing. I gave up because it's not only counterproductive but it made me feel terrible afterward, like I just got done trying to tell a happy go lucky Mormon that in fact there is no God.
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As
You are confusing having a theory about something with proclaiming something to be true without any supporting evidence. A conspiracy theory is just that; it is a THEORY. Police investigators base their investigations solely on conspiracy theories. According to the Encarta dictionary a conspiracy is -the making of a secret plan or agreement to commit an illegal or subversive act.
Are you also now claiming that all of the police are nuts as well? Is that YOUR theory?
Are you also claiming that absolutely no group of people in the world ever get together at any time to form a secret plan to commit an illegal or subversive act? Is this another one of your theories?
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You are confusing having a theory about something with proclaiming something to be true without any supporting evidence. A conspiracy theory is just that; it is a THEORY. Police investigators base their investigations solely on conspiracy theories. According to the Encarta dictionary a conspiracy is -the making of a secret plan or agreement to commit an illegal or subversive act.
Are you also now claiming that all of the police are nuts as well? Is that YOUR theory?
Are you also claiming that absolutely no group of people in the world ever get together at any time to form a secret plan to commit an illegal or subversive act? Is this another one of your theories?
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you
Here's the thing. The term -conspiracy theorist- is a quite useful tool for gaslighting those who question something they shouldn't question. And the louder the-Earth-is-flat-birds-arent-real types of -conspiracy theorists- become, the easier it is to label literally anything as a -conspiracy- and dismiss people who look into it as -crazy conspiracy lovers-. Yeah, there are a lot of people who see patterns that are not actually there, but there are also a lot of people who dismiss anything that threaten their peace of mind. And I would argue the second type is even more dangerous than those who we usually call -conspiracy theorists-.
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Here's the thing. The term -conspiracy theorist- is a quite useful tool for gaslighting those who question something they shouldn't question. And the louder the-Earth-is-flat-birds-arent-real types of -conspiracy theorists- become, the easier it is to label literally anything as a -conspiracy- and dismiss people who look into it as -crazy conspiracy lovers-. Yeah, there are a lot of people who see patterns that are not actually there, but there are also a lot of people who dismiss anything that threaten their peace of mind. And I would argue the second type is even more dangerous than those who we usually call -conspiracy theorists-.
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sarcasm
It must be one of the easiest thing to fabricate successful conspiracy theories because you never need to provide any proof, maybe you don't even need to tell you -have- evidence. If something is against the -official- story, those uneducated conspiretards -will- believe it. Those brainwashed people believe in everything they are told as long as it supports their twisted conspiracy religion: Never believe in anything the authorities or the media (which is obviously always controlled by the government) tells you. It can't ever be true. This is why the Earth must be flat too --
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It must be one of the easiest thing to fabricate successful conspiracy theories because you never need to provide any proof, maybe you don't even need to tell you -have- evidence. If something is against the -official- story, those uneducated conspiretards -will- believe it. Those brainwashed people believe in everything they are told as long as it supports their twisted conspiracy religion: Never believe in anything the authorities or the media (which is obviously always controlled by the government) tells you. It can't ever be true. This is why the Earth must be flat too --
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Jamie
. and the reason they don't know what a theory is, is that they just didn't pay attention in school, and the reason you can't teach them what a theory actually is still to this day is because they don't actually want to listen or learn, they're quite content being the paranoid and delusional narcissists they are while rambling on about how they're right about everything despite what anyone else has to say about, though some of us are unaware of this, what's essentially their condition.
Ya simply can't help those who don't want to be helped.
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. and the reason they don't know what a theory is, is that they just didn't pay attention in school, and the reason you can't teach them what a theory actually is still to this day is because they don't actually want to listen or learn, they're quite content being the paranoid and delusional narcissists they are while rambling on about how they're right about everything despite what anyone else has to say about, though some of us are unaware of this, what's essentially their condition.
Ya simply can't help those who don't want to be helped.
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Adriana
People that don-t research tend to criticize us conspiracy theorist. If you don-t know and don-t research then just stay quiet, ignorant of the truth and lazy. Recognize that you are a repeating parrot of what the corporate media programs you with and recognize your laziness. Don-t rise up against those that use their own critical thinking, dare to go against the narrative and are passionate about sharing information. What-s so bad about sharing info?
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People that don-t research tend to criticize us conspiracy theorist. If you don-t know and don-t research then just stay quiet, ignorant of the truth and lazy. Recognize that you are a repeating parrot of what the corporate media programs you with and recognize your laziness. Don-t rise up against those that use their own critical thinking, dare to go against the narrative and are passionate about sharing information. What-s so bad about sharing info?
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