How Important is Art History? - DraftsmenS1E15 - Proko
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Date: 2022-03-14
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Museum
Stan: You-re so racist.
Marshal: Bufsdhjkutredghjjcx. were done!
Stan drops the R word and goes nuke.
And he-s right. In the meaning of racism offered by Alexander Dugin, russian philosopher, Racist is a weaponized word that neutralizes techniques of supremacist power.
What is supreme here is the authority of the art historian, who uses the privileged knowledge gained by expensive research into preserved details of the past, some being artifacts kept in the treasure troves of the wealthy, art museums.
In those great buildings of propaganda, the unwashed classes are allowed access, under museum guard, to understand their powerlessness in awe of the supremacy masters.
Such displays were necessary to establish a princes status, before the rise of the middle classes, and commodity culture.
Supremacy can be the the supremacy of time, or temporal supremacy, where the past is always better, or the future depending on the trade.
For professors who are establishing their supremacy on long tenure the past is superior, as the present is too unfiltered for use. The art authority hadn-t decided on the few lucky artists to elevate, mostly for political reasons.
With the rise of internet systems of exchange, this mechanism is disrupted, and now every artist, no matter how unknown is equal to every other, past present and future. Google decides who is shown in the infinite museum of art, but just for right now.
At least every artist has their 15 seconds of fame, and its 15 dollars of cashflow.
The DRAFTSMEN is art criticism for everyone, Disney and all. Let the blood sports begin.
With ownership of images on blockchain established by NFT or non fungible tokens, the authenticity supremacy given by armies of attribution experts is now useless. You can now skip them all and sell ownership of your image or physical property direct without galleries or museums.
Since robotics and AI are about to make even slavery useless, blowing a lifetime making cheap uneducated art is now a valuable waste of time.
AI robotic painting will destroy even the most pathetic of coloring careers in the animation industry.
Racist Boomers. BLAM!
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Stan: You-re so racist.
Marshal: Bufsdhjkutredghjjcx. were done!
Stan drops the R word and goes nuke.
And he-s right. In the meaning of racism offered by Alexander Dugin, russian philosopher, Racist is a weaponized word that neutralizes techniques of supremacist power.
What is supreme here is the authority of the art historian, who uses the privileged knowledge gained by expensive research into preserved details of the past, some being artifacts kept in the treasure troves of the wealthy, art museums.
In those great buildings of propaganda, the unwashed classes are allowed access, under museum guard, to understand their powerlessness in awe of the supremacy masters.
Such displays were necessary to establish a princes status, before the rise of the middle classes, and commodity culture.
Supremacy can be the the supremacy of time, or temporal supremacy, where the past is always better, or the future depending on the trade.
For professors who are establishing their supremacy on long tenure the past is superior, as the present is too unfiltered for use. The art authority hadn-t decided on the few lucky artists to elevate, mostly for political reasons.
With the rise of internet systems of exchange, this mechanism is disrupted, and now every artist, no matter how unknown is equal to every other, past present and future. Google decides who is shown in the infinite museum of art, but just for right now.
At least every artist has their 15 seconds of fame, and its 15 dollars of cashflow.
The DRAFTSMEN is art criticism for everyone, Disney and all. Let the blood sports begin.
With ownership of images on blockchain established by NFT or non fungible tokens, the authenticity supremacy given by armies of attribution experts is now useless. You can now skip them all and sell ownership of your image or physical property direct without galleries or museums.
Since robotics and AI are about to make even slavery useless, blowing a lifetime making cheap uneducated art is now a valuable waste of time.
AI robotic painting will destroy even the most pathetic of coloring careers in the animation industry.
Racist Boomers. BLAM!
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philip
Couple of names. What about women artists? Sylvia Pankhurst, Admittedly it is for her political deeds that I know her more for. (Yes what characters in history were also artists? Hitler, Robert Redford, anyway going off the subject) Other women: Dame Laura Knight. Kathe Kollwitz or Nora Heysen. Loads of Australian painters Tom Thompson, Ivor Hele, Julian Ashton school, Hans Heysen. Polish painter Jacek Malcewski 1854-1929. Two artists, often Overlooked and mystical on the margins of everything: Superb English Draughtsman Austin Osman Spare, and American painter William Rimmer(1816-1879) Nineteenth century sculptor Alfred Stevens(1817-1875) (remarkable drawings) Crikey there are so so many! I would say look at Robert Lenkievicz though. Although not before 1940 and only died in 2002, His very best work is, well superb. He made well over 10, 000 works so jump in a little before you judge. Love his work on the Vagrant and Education projects myself.
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Couple of names. What about women artists? Sylvia Pankhurst, Admittedly it is for her political deeds that I know her more for. (Yes what characters in history were also artists? Hitler, Robert Redford, anyway going off the subject) Other women: Dame Laura Knight. Kathe Kollwitz or Nora Heysen. Loads of Australian painters Tom Thompson, Ivor Hele, Julian Ashton school, Hans Heysen. Polish painter Jacek Malcewski 1854-1929. Two artists, often Overlooked and mystical on the margins of everything: Superb English Draughtsman Austin Osman Spare, and American painter William Rimmer(1816-1879) Nineteenth century sculptor Alfred Stevens(1817-1875) (remarkable drawings) Crikey there are so so many! I would say look at Robert Lenkievicz though. Although not before 1940 and only died in 2002, His very best work is, well superb. He made well over 10, 000 works so jump in a little before you judge. Love his work on the Vagrant and Education projects myself.
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AV_ArtHistory
Experts sometimes forget that the -kids these days- don't automatically have the decades of experience and knowledge the experts have. We don't have an Apprenticeship system anymore for art/fine arts, we go through 4 years of college and end up with a Bachelor's, which then somehow automatically means you somehow have 10 years of industry experience for an Entry level job, etc. There's also so >much< Art History to learn, analyze and appreciate. People who get grumpy and shit on the -kids these days- need to take it down a few notches and recognize not everyone knows as much or shares the love as hard as they do about their specific subject or genre or whatever. Yes, there are some -kids these days- who think they're re-inventing the wheel and aren't they super-special, when they're not. But focus on the people who are enthusiastic and want to learn. Throw the pasta at the wall and be happy with the pieces that stick.
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Experts sometimes forget that the -kids these days- don't automatically have the decades of experience and knowledge the experts have. We don't have an Apprenticeship system anymore for art/fine arts, we go through 4 years of college and end up with a Bachelor's, which then somehow automatically means you somehow have 10 years of industry experience for an Entry level job, etc. There's also so >much< Art History to learn, analyze and appreciate. People who get grumpy and shit on the -kids these days- need to take it down a few notches and recognize not everyone knows as much or shares the love as hard as they do about their specific subject or genre or whatever. Yes, there are some -kids these days- who think they're re-inventing the wheel and aren't they super-special, when they're not. But focus on the people who are enthusiastic and want to learn. Throw the pasta at the wall and be happy with the pieces that stick.
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Martin
Ignorance is never a good thing. It is not something to be proud of, it is just something to be aware of and plan for. I understand your point, but I think you have expressed it badly, and it is not minor.
You focused on other things, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean ignoring history is a good thing, it just means that the things you learned were useful for your craft. -
The truth is that more knowledge could never be bad on its own, nor is it automatically good, we can agree that sometimes it is a burden in a more general sense. But, it is important to understand that the more you know about different matters, the more you can link things, you can establish more relationships between things. More knowledge can make you a better person and will make you a better artist.
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Ignorance is never a good thing. It is not something to be proud of, it is just something to be aware of and plan for. I understand your point, but I think you have expressed it badly, and it is not minor.
You focused on other things, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean ignoring history is a good thing, it just means that the things you learned were useful for your craft. -
The truth is that more knowledge could never be bad on its own, nor is it automatically good, we can agree that sometimes it is a burden in a more general sense. But, it is important to understand that the more you know about different matters, the more you can link things, you can establish more relationships between things. More knowledge can make you a better person and will make you a better artist.
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Realm
My problem with art history is mainly how it's implimented in schools. For me, it served as a prerequisite to the actual practice of art projects. We were made to learn about the history of other great artists before we, ourselves, were able to learn the actual practice. For a beginner it can be discouraging and lifeless to have to learn history before you even begin the practice. Then again, I attended a public school and they were middle and high school art classes. In my opinion, the practice should come first. Learn how to draw, at least on a basic level, before learning about the history about artists who outclass you by far. You should at least see if you ENJOY making art before you're expected to know the history of the practice you haven't even dabbled in yet.
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My problem with art history is mainly how it's implimented in schools. For me, it served as a prerequisite to the actual practice of art projects. We were made to learn about the history of other great artists before we, ourselves, were able to learn the actual practice. For a beginner it can be discouraging and lifeless to have to learn history before you even begin the practice. Then again, I attended a public school and they were middle and high school art classes. In my opinion, the practice should come first. Learn how to draw, at least on a basic level, before learning about the history about artists who outclass you by far. You should at least see if you ENJOY making art before you're expected to know the history of the practice you haven't even dabbled in yet.
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Zenith1987
I definitely agree with Marshall on this one! I'm a millennial and a trained physical scientist, but art history was the most valuable college class I ever took because art through time reveals so much about humanity. I care less about the people behind it than the lens through which they viewed their contemporary reality and how those pieces have stood the test of time.
As a novice artist now, I want to dedicate some of my study time to learning more in detail about art history to gain respect, knowledge, and inspiration from.
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I definitely agree with Marshall on this one! I'm a millennial and a trained physical scientist, but art history was the most valuable college class I ever took because art through time reveals so much about humanity. I care less about the people behind it than the lens through which they viewed their contemporary reality and how those pieces have stood the test of time.
As a novice artist now, I want to dedicate some of my study time to learning more in detail about art history to gain respect, knowledge, and inspiration from.
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Frank
I think what Stan is not saying is that at this point he's an entrepreneur first. they're discussing the benefits of reading biographies and he talks about reading Elon Musk--that really is not relevant to a painter. art history stopped being useful to him after he absorbed a certain amount to be able to draw and paint competently in a modern style and be able to pass that onto his students. it's a better use of his time to read about Musk than to study surrealism.
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I think what Stan is not saying is that at this point he's an entrepreneur first. they're discussing the benefits of reading biographies and he talks about reading Elon Musk--that really is not relevant to a painter. art history stopped being useful to him after he absorbed a certain amount to be able to draw and paint competently in a modern style and be able to pass that onto his students. it's a better use of his time to read about Musk than to study surrealism.
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-truckingpix
Wow Mr V. I think you are the perfect example of why an artist should learn art history. (I can't imagine how an artist would not be interested in art history) it seems like your knowledge of artists from Rick Griffin on back to the Renaissance and before, just makes your art RICHER. unless you are using some new undiscovered medium and some new undiscovered style. somebody has done what you are doing before so don't get all carried away with yourself. -
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Wow Mr V. I think you are the perfect example of why an artist should learn art history. (I can't imagine how an artist would not be interested in art history) it seems like your knowledge of artists from Rick Griffin on back to the Renaissance and before, just makes your art RICHER. unless you are using some new undiscovered medium and some new undiscovered style. somebody has done what you are doing before so don't get all carried away with yourself. -
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AkashB
Special thanks to Marshal for pointing out that every human being stereotypes. Like, I usually refrain from stereotyping but sometimes it happens - I cannot help it. As long as I am not hurting others with the stereotypical stuffs that I think - when I am frustrated or something - I think that counts as venting and well, better to just treat it as a thought and let it flow than to forcefully try and stop it.
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Special thanks to Marshal for pointing out that every human being stereotypes. Like, I usually refrain from stereotyping but sometimes it happens - I cannot help it. As long as I am not hurting others with the stereotypical stuffs that I think - when I am frustrated or something - I think that counts as venting and well, better to just treat it as a thought and let it flow than to forcefully try and stop it.
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Brent
I'm super late with viewing and reacting to this video. But I'll just leave this thought here. Do you think knowledge (of art) can actually hinder your creative ability? Since this knowledge of precedents means you copy (even if it's a small part) from things that have been done before, instead of coming up with something completely new (from yourself and your point of view on things only.
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I'm super late with viewing and reacting to this video. But I'll just leave this thought here. Do you think knowledge (of art) can actually hinder your creative ability? Since this knowledge of precedents means you copy (even if it's a small part) from things that have been done before, instead of coming up with something completely new (from yourself and your point of view on things only.
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