Friendly Fire: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 5600X & 5900X
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Date: 2020-11-06
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alexei456
Why does Steve always calls the CPU I want the worst :( (happened kind of the same with my 3700X lol) I'm still stuck waiting for the supposed b450 chipset BIOS (understand that having to replace the Mobo just for a CPU would add an at least 130 cost to my poor wallet making the CPU investment even less worthy) quick question though, other than graphics and storage speeds, does pcie gen4 benefits the CPU in any other way? or given the case that B450s get a BIOS and by miracle smart access memoy is compatible (yes, you guess, I'm aiming for an all-around all AMD machine, as it is right now, 3700x+5700xt) will I be missing too much performance for what I do? (80% of the time gaming, the rest is between rendering, con/deconpressing) thanks in advance for any answer and your honest reviews (even if you always spoil my CPU choice, lol)
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Why does Steve always calls the CPU I want the worst :( (happened kind of the same with my 3700X lol) I'm still stuck waiting for the supposed b450 chipset BIOS (understand that having to replace the Mobo just for a CPU would add an at least 130 cost to my poor wallet making the CPU investment even less worthy) quick question though, other than graphics and storage speeds, does pcie gen4 benefits the CPU in any other way? or given the case that B450s get a BIOS and by miracle smart access memoy is compatible (yes, you guess, I'm aiming for an all-around all AMD machine, as it is right now, 3700x+5700xt) will I be missing too much performance for what I do? (80% of the time gaming, the rest is between rendering, con/deconpressing) thanks in advance for any answer and your honest reviews (even if you always spoil my CPU choice, lol)
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Geralt
I bought this one minutes after launch and in shop where i was buying whole PC there was only 5800x and 5950x on launch (maybe would be able to buy in other shop but there i had whole set of reserved components already). Before it I was on edge between 5800x and 5900x (but only because relative low price difference, not because i needed 12 cores), but shop decided for myself:). To be honest i dont think i need or will need more then 8/16 as i dont use professional tools/programs. And I ignored 5600x in purpose as it has too low cores to be sure it will be future-proof (and i guess I will not change pc for a pretty long time). I agree that price for 5800x is worse then for 5600x or 5900x (would prefer differently :) ) but 5800x has core counts I needed.
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I bought this one minutes after launch and in shop where i was buying whole PC there was only 5800x and 5950x on launch (maybe would be able to buy in other shop but there i had whole set of reserved components already). Before it I was on edge between 5800x and 5900x (but only because relative low price difference, not because i needed 12 cores), but shop decided for myself:). To be honest i dont think i need or will need more then 8/16 as i dont use professional tools/programs. And I ignored 5600x in purpose as it has too low cores to be sure it will be future-proof (and i guess I will not change pc for a pretty long time). I agree that price for 5800x is worse then for 5600x or 5900x (would prefer differently :) ) but 5800x has core counts I needed.
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Johnny
got the 3700x rn. I went with the 5800x because I did not want to downgrade when it comes to the corecount and besides that I really did not care about the bit more price difference (compared to the 5600x). I could have gone with the 5900x, but gaming being my main focus, to add 100 + more to get 5900x would not be worth it. Since I only play games and maybe sometimes record something. I am looking to get the most fps I can get out of a system and don't really care about price, to an extent. Was first thinking of getting the 10900k to get the max fps, but since amd destroyed intel when it comes to everything this time, I again went with amd. Hope this brings a lot of competition in the coming years so we can have better cpus for gaming :)
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got the 3700x rn. I went with the 5800x because I did not want to downgrade when it comes to the corecount and besides that I really did not care about the bit more price difference (compared to the 5600x). I could have gone with the 5900x, but gaming being my main focus, to add 100 + more to get 5900x would not be worth it. Since I only play games and maybe sometimes record something. I am looking to get the most fps I can get out of a system and don't really care about price, to an extent. Was first thinking of getting the 10900k to get the max fps, but since amd destroyed intel when it comes to everything this time, I again went with amd. Hope this brings a lot of competition in the coming years so we can have better cpus for gaming :)
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GromitNWallace
GN's Zen 3 reviews are almost useless and unfortunately misleading for gaming. He has pretty much only run titles that these new AMD CPUs benefit from. Every other reviewer showing different games, or higher settings or higher resolutions shows that Intel still seems to be in the lead. There is a reason the games shown here are limited to 1080p/medium and mostly RTS games. While technically Zen 3 is the better CPU, which is what GN's benchmarks show, for real world gaming Intel still seems a better choice despite being a worse CPU. Very frustrating when trying to research whether to buy a Zen 3 CPU when GN's benchmarks are so targeted as to literally be misleading, especially since GN is normally very thorough.
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GN's Zen 3 reviews are almost useless and unfortunately misleading for gaming. He has pretty much only run titles that these new AMD CPUs benefit from. Every other reviewer showing different games, or higher settings or higher resolutions shows that Intel still seems to be in the lead. There is a reason the games shown here are limited to 1080p/medium and mostly RTS games. While technically Zen 3 is the better CPU, which is what GN's benchmarks show, for real world gaming Intel still seems a better choice despite being a worse CPU. Very frustrating when trying to research whether to buy a Zen 3 CPU when GN's benchmarks are so targeted as to literally be misleading, especially since GN is normally very thorough.
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Quantum
i agree this pricing doesn't make sense from a consumer stand point. But if you think about it from manufacturing stand point. These 5800x require a perfect 8 core die. the same ones that AMD uses and will use on all it is high end products like the 5950x and the upcoming threadripper. while on the other hand the 5900x requires two not perfect 6 cores dies which are probably a lot more available than the 8 core ones. Looking at the 800 price of the 5950x if you half that considering you are only using one chiplet out of the two you get the 400 price tag.
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i agree this pricing doesn't make sense from a consumer stand point. But if you think about it from manufacturing stand point. These 5800x require a perfect 8 core die. the same ones that AMD uses and will use on all it is high end products like the 5950x and the upcoming threadripper. while on the other hand the 5900x requires two not perfect 6 cores dies which are probably a lot more available than the 8 core ones. Looking at the 800 price of the 5950x if you half that considering you are only using one chiplet out of the two you get the 400 price tag.
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Борислав
Guys don't forget that this is based on old games review, considering the games coming in the next 5 years, 5800x have much more sense with the extra 2 cores for the next gen games, and this future-proof extra cores might worth it way more down the line if you don't plan to upgrade every 1-2 years and as this is the end for AM4 socket it make much more sense as even if you want to upgrade you will need new motherboard, so if you have one, don't be sorry because of the negative GN review. Just my 2 cents.
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Guys don't forget that this is based on old games review, considering the games coming in the next 5 years, 5800x have much more sense with the extra 2 cores for the next gen games, and this future-proof extra cores might worth it way more down the line if you don't plan to upgrade every 1-2 years and as this is the end for AM4 socket it make much more sense as even if you want to upgrade you will need new motherboard, so if you have one, don't be sorry because of the negative GN review. Just my 2 cents.
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Ole
The 5800x is the best gaming CPU. It has the most cores and the highest frequency on 1 CCD among the new AMD parts. It makes more sense than the 5600x because this is the last generation for AM4. People who buy this will likely keep this platform for a longer time (3-5 years), and 8 cores are more future proof than 6 cores. With time the distance between the 5600x and the 5800x will get larger.
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The 5800x is the best gaming CPU. It has the most cores and the highest frequency on 1 CCD among the new AMD parts. It makes more sense than the 5600x because this is the last generation for AM4. People who buy this will likely keep this platform for a longer time (3-5 years), and 8 cores are more future proof than 6 cores. With time the distance between the 5600x and the 5800x will get larger.
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Max
oof now the question is if the 5900x is worth the uplift of almost 250 -300 compared to the 5600X (thats the actual pricing around here, though most of the stock is already gone). I had high hopes for this cpu if it were a bit cheaper since the additional threads could come in handy in production. But the price is hard to justify and the 5900x in actual listing prices is just too expensive :/
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oof now the question is if the 5900x is worth the uplift of almost 250 -300 compared to the 5600X (thats the actual pricing around here, though most of the stock is already gone). I had high hopes for this cpu if it were a bit cheaper since the additional threads could come in handy in production. But the price is hard to justify and the 5900x in actual listing prices is just too expensive :/
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Joe
Hey steve thanks for the nice in depth review.
I think i want to buy this cpu instead of the 5600x for the core count not that much for future proof but instead for streaming / recording where maybe the 6 to 8 cores difference might matter.
Have you ever tought about making some benchmark with record/stream in the background to see the impact on performances ?
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Hey steve thanks for the nice in depth review.
I think i want to buy this cpu instead of the 5600x for the core count not that much for future proof but instead for streaming / recording where maybe the 6 to 8 cores difference might matter.
Have you ever tought about making some benchmark with record/stream in the background to see the impact on performances ?
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XFourty7
10:14 Steve, are you okay? I'm just concerned for you...
I get this feeling that all this time you spend alone testing, retesting (eg; every CPU on list with a 3080) you might just be... you know... creating imaginary commenters in your brain and feeling you must entertain them, along with yourself!
(sarcasm if not obvious lol)
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10:14 Steve, are you okay? I'm just concerned for you...
I get this feeling that all this time you spend alone testing, retesting (eg; every CPU on list with a 3080) you might just be... you know... creating imaginary commenters in your brain and feeling you must entertain them, along with yourself!
(sarcasm if not obvious lol)
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