The Secret GPU Trade
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Date: 2021-05-01
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Rob
What is different and crazy about this shortage is how it has gone to the absolute bottom of the stack. Im referbing an old Dell Optiplex office computer to give to a friend (he got his first big boy job!) and I really wanted to put a GTX 1050ti LP in it to make it able to do some decent 1080p gaming when he is done writing memos and reading spreadsheets. In November of 2018 I paid 140 for a 1050ti (full size). The LP version was about 160 IIRC. Almost 3 years later Im staring at an ebay auction for a used one where the seller has already turned down an offer for 125 and Im trying to decide if I want to go higher. Its a low end card. It was a low end card at launch and it sits at the very edge of acceptable performance for non-AAA games. Its probably going to go for more than MSRP 5 years after it hit the shelves. Thats crazy.
I had hoped that Nvidia would follow up with a RTX 17xx series that took the lowest end 20 series processor and put it in a 150-200 card. I would love to see the 2070 mobile chip put into a 75W low profile card that could be used in the legions of office crap boxes that businesses send to recyclers every year. That dream is going nowhere when they can sell a 1050ti with 30 in parts for 300.
And I just upped my bid......
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What is different and crazy about this shortage is how it has gone to the absolute bottom of the stack. Im referbing an old Dell Optiplex office computer to give to a friend (he got his first big boy job!) and I really wanted to put a GTX 1050ti LP in it to make it able to do some decent 1080p gaming when he is done writing memos and reading spreadsheets. In November of 2018 I paid 140 for a 1050ti (full size). The LP version was about 160 IIRC. Almost 3 years later Im staring at an ebay auction for a used one where the seller has already turned down an offer for 125 and Im trying to decide if I want to go higher. Its a low end card. It was a low end card at launch and it sits at the very edge of acceptable performance for non-AAA games. Its probably going to go for more than MSRP 5 years after it hit the shelves. Thats crazy.
I had hoped that Nvidia would follow up with a RTX 17xx series that took the lowest end 20 series processor and put it in a 150-200 card. I would love to see the 2070 mobile chip put into a 75W low profile card that could be used in the legions of office crap boxes that businesses send to recyclers every year. That dream is going nowhere when they can sell a 1050ti with 30 in parts for 300.
And I just upped my bid......
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PAcifisti
I'm still not buying this We've been making so many GPU's argument. I've seen statistics from retailers in my area - it's basically just dry. They have cards incoming in some tens on some models per month - most of them are just Zero incoming. Some models haven't gotten a single card delivery SINCE LAUNCH in 2019. Months after the launch of 3070 it hadn't even blipped on steam hardware survey. It has been soon 3 months since 3060 launched and this midrange card hasn't even appeared on the Survey yet. Not because of lack of demand but because the supply is so poor. AMD cards are practically just not coming in at all. AMD is clearly putting most of their chips into the consoles that their contracts mandate them to do.
Currently the entire Ampere lineup makes 2,85% on the steam survey. It's growing, but only on the last month or so. The first 3-6 months was a total draught and the launch was devoid of supply.
TLDR: After half year the total % of RTX 30 series on steam survey was 1%. Given that most of those remaining 99% of the GPU's had all been produced in the last 10 years or so, averaging around 10% per year vs the RTX 30 series start of... 2% per year.
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I'm still not buying this We've been making so many GPU's argument. I've seen statistics from retailers in my area - it's basically just dry. They have cards incoming in some tens on some models per month - most of them are just Zero incoming. Some models haven't gotten a single card delivery SINCE LAUNCH in 2019. Months after the launch of 3070 it hadn't even blipped on steam hardware survey. It has been soon 3 months since 3060 launched and this midrange card hasn't even appeared on the Survey yet. Not because of lack of demand but because the supply is so poor. AMD cards are practically just not coming in at all. AMD is clearly putting most of their chips into the consoles that their contracts mandate them to do.
Currently the entire Ampere lineup makes 2,85% on the steam survey. It's growing, but only on the last month or so. The first 3-6 months was a total draught and the launch was devoid of supply.
TLDR: After half year the total % of RTX 30 series on steam survey was 1%. Given that most of those remaining 99% of the GPU's had all been produced in the last 10 years or so, averaging around 10% per year vs the RTX 30 series start of... 2% per year.
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Mark
I don't spec out a system for fun. I only do it when I preparing to build a system, and this whole shortage thing does nothing but remind me of third world countries. New territory for me, and I don't like it. It also impresses me as a giant scam at times. There was a time when I'd buy parts piecemeal, but the very real possibility of being unable to complete a build due to the unavailability of any of my chosen parts means I will no longer do that. It's down to all or nothing for me. This situation reminds me of the gasoline shortage of the 1970s in which the shortage was created to boost profits. I'm not at all certain that the current shortage of computer parts doesn't share a similar origin. I'm personally not playing games, and I'm sure not going to by any items that I don't want in order to get the ones that I do.
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I don't spec out a system for fun. I only do it when I preparing to build a system, and this whole shortage thing does nothing but remind me of third world countries. New territory for me, and I don't like it. It also impresses me as a giant scam at times. There was a time when I'd buy parts piecemeal, but the very real possibility of being unable to complete a build due to the unavailability of any of my chosen parts means I will no longer do that. It's down to all or nothing for me. This situation reminds me of the gasoline shortage of the 1970s in which the shortage was created to boost profits. I'm not at all certain that the current shortage of computer parts doesn't share a similar origin. I'm personally not playing games, and I'm sure not going to by any items that I don't want in order to get the ones that I do.
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True
Kinda reminds me of a load system Soviet book publishing/selling (it was all state-owned) had in the 50s-60s.
You want a good book? Yeah, you can have it with no markup (as the cost of the book was embossed into the hardcover). If it is in stock, that is. But you can have it.
It's just you need to buy an ideologically correct book no one wants to read (as it's crappy and boring) with it as a load .
Many contemporary jokes were had about it, but it stayed in place until the publishing ossified that much there wasn't a lot of interesting books to buy in the first place. Then in late 80s floodgates were opened and curmudgeonish party-approved lit was washed away by the eldritch wave of mostly pure and unadulterated shit.
So it goes, happy 1st May to anyone reading this.
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Kinda reminds me of a load system Soviet book publishing/selling (it was all state-owned) had in the 50s-60s.
You want a good book? Yeah, you can have it with no markup (as the cost of the book was embossed into the hardcover). If it is in stock, that is. But you can have it.
It's just you need to buy an ideologically correct book no one wants to read (as it's crappy and boring) with it as a load .
Many contemporary jokes were had about it, but it stayed in place until the publishing ossified that much there wasn't a lot of interesting books to buy in the first place. Then in late 80s floodgates were opened and curmudgeonish party-approved lit was washed away by the eldritch wave of mostly pure and unadulterated shit.
So it goes, happy 1st May to anyone reading this.
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Adam
Devils advocate: how many people used their old modular cables with these new faulty psus, leading to it failsafing and not working? Nearly every model requires you to use their specific cables even if the pin out is the same. Don t ask me why. I assume dual rail impacts this? It s definitely not something a consumer builder would be cognizant of.
Bundling is common practice due to basic logistical reasons. Sure, it can be an exploitable tactic if someone has zero chill and needs to buy a gpu. That is the consumer choice. The idea that supply should always exceed demand is borderline delusional privilege.
Here s a thought: semiconductors produced in europe and NA to some impactful degree when? Factories aren t built in a day.
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Devils advocate: how many people used their old modular cables with these new faulty psus, leading to it failsafing and not working? Nearly every model requires you to use their specific cables even if the pin out is the same. Don t ask me why. I assume dual rail impacts this? It s definitely not something a consumer builder would be cognizant of.
Bundling is common practice due to basic logistical reasons. Sure, it can be an exploitable tactic if someone has zero chill and needs to buy a gpu. That is the consumer choice. The idea that supply should always exceed demand is borderline delusional privilege.
Here s a thought: semiconductors produced in europe and NA to some impactful degree when? Factories aren t built in a day.
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Em
i traded myselfe an 3070 haha.
Startet with an 980ti 3 years ago i sold it to buy an better 980ti this year. The first i sold for 290 . The second i bought from an old guy who doesn t knew if it was fine or defect. I bought it for 160 & it was fine.
Then i sold it for 320 .
After that i bought a 2060 an local store for 345 . I sold it on ebay for 450 and found 2x 3070 from asus on an other local store. Bought 2 of them, sold one on ebay for 1350 :D I know i know .. scalper bla bla. But guys i have an 3070 now and made profit out of it. Take your chances guys! When there are ppl out there who re willing to pay such prices.. that s not my fault
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i traded myselfe an 3070 haha.
Startet with an 980ti 3 years ago i sold it to buy an better 980ti this year. The first i sold for 290 . The second i bought from an old guy who doesn t knew if it was fine or defect. I bought it for 160 & it was fine.
Then i sold it for 320 .
After that i bought a 2060 an local store for 345 . I sold it on ebay for 450 and found 2x 3070 from asus on an other local store. Bought 2 of them, sold one on ebay for 1350 :D I know i know .. scalper bla bla. But guys i have an 3070 now and made profit out of it. Take your chances guys! When there are ppl out there who re willing to pay such prices.. that s not my fault
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KyleGG
The combo deals new egg put out were anti bot protection. In december when they started listing them no new listings came up under the OG product SKU. New stock went to pop up combo deals that refresh bots weren't watching for (they all had hardcoded URLs they went through). Newegg was putting up these pop up bundle deals to give real buyers cards. I contacted support and was told I could just return the combo item. Got a 3090 in december easily, but I noticed day 1 they started doing this. Was very thankful. Recently got a 5950x and built the rig. Looking fly in the p500a.
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The combo deals new egg put out were anti bot protection. In december when they started listing them no new listings came up under the OG product SKU. New stock went to pop up combo deals that refresh bots weren't watching for (they all had hardcoded URLs they went through). Newegg was putting up these pop up bundle deals to give real buyers cards. I contacted support and was told I could just return the combo item. Got a 3090 in december easily, but I noticed day 1 they started doing this. Was very thankful. Recently got a 5950x and built the rig. Looking fly in the p500a.
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Sietse
You should make a piece about the horribly bad, dangerous gigabyte psu's, I bought one and it started smoking when testing my components out of the case, searched the web and apperently it happens quite a lot with those psu's. Gigabyte is a reputable company in the gpu and storage space so you'd expect them to make other good products, but their psu's are just rebranded chinese fireworks. Not a lot of info about this on the internet, so definitly something to warn people about.
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You should make a piece about the horribly bad, dangerous gigabyte psu's, I bought one and it started smoking when testing my components out of the case, searched the web and apperently it happens quite a lot with those psu's. Gigabyte is a reputable company in the gpu and storage space so you'd expect them to make other good products, but their psu's are just rebranded chinese fireworks. Not a lot of info about this on the internet, so definitly something to warn people about.
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Orange
US central bank has created more money in the last year than previous 8 years combined. They are pumping so much 'free' money into the system and handing it out to people who then buy all this stuff from China. The factories can't keep up with this demand, and since the currency now has less value they hike prices to compensate. These prices are never going to go back down to pre-pandemic levels.
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US central bank has created more money in the last year than previous 8 years combined. They are pumping so much 'free' money into the system and handing it out to people who then buy all this stuff from China. The factories can't keep up with this demand, and since the currency now has less value they hike prices to compensate. These prices are never going to go back down to pre-pandemic levels.
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janrdoh
Friend of mine wanted to buy his first gaming Pc after being a lifelong console user so he went online and looked for a pre-built. I laughed hard and had a look at the components for the pc which was marketed as gaming enthusiast . It was specced with an i5 CPU, GT 1030 Aero GPU, 1x4Gb ram, 1TB Hard Drive and a 140 watt no name PSU which boasted about having a floppy drive power connector.
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Friend of mine wanted to buy his first gaming Pc after being a lifelong console user so he went online and looked for a pre-built. I laughed hard and had a look at the components for the pc which was marketed as gaming enthusiast . It was specced with an i5 CPU, GT 1030 Aero GPU, 1x4Gb ram, 1TB Hard Drive and a 140 watt no name PSU which boasted about having a floppy drive power connector.
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