Banned Gaming PC Misinformation & Irresponsible Reporting (CEC PSU Energy Requirements)
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Date: 2021-07-29
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Sparky
What is the cost of testing by an approved third party lab? How many labs are there, and who owns them? What is that cost amortized down to the few hundred/thousands of units that most of these models will ever sell in these states
How much does the CEC sticker cost the end user?
10?
200?
How much revenue is the California gaining by forcing companies to buy these stickers, and where is it going?
That's something nobody is talking about. Governments don't give out their stamps/stickers/labels for free. We fought an entire war that was partly provoked by stamps on tea.
This is yet another new tax on every new computer sold in the affected states.
Is it even worth regulating? Computers and chip makers are already extremely motivated to make the most efficient systems possible. This doesn't do anything to improve technology or save power, it just makes companies waste a huge amount of extra money on something they were already going to do, and the customers have to pay for it. It serves to keep equipment out of the hands of individuals and upstarts so the megacoorporations can stay in power.
Even if a computer uses an extra 3WH of electricity, so what? It is not a burden on the grid.
The owner can choose to pay for it, or turn the computer off. Simple.
It's all just a distraction from the real bad actors: Hollywood render farms and Silicon Valley servers. Using the electricity equivalent of millions of homes to generate cold cynical profit.
Or what about Pacific Gas and Electric? They've refused to upkeep the grid for years, and now their collapsing lines are constantly setting California on fire.
California needs to stop buying snakeoil crap and start focuing on fixing their ancient crumbling electric system. Or, at least regulate the giant datacenters instead of individuals.
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What is the cost of testing by an approved third party lab? How many labs are there, and who owns them? What is that cost amortized down to the few hundred/thousands of units that most of these models will ever sell in these states
How much does the CEC sticker cost the end user?
10?
200?
How much revenue is the California gaining by forcing companies to buy these stickers, and where is it going?
That's something nobody is talking about. Governments don't give out their stamps/stickers/labels for free. We fought an entire war that was partly provoked by stamps on tea.
This is yet another new tax on every new computer sold in the affected states.
Is it even worth regulating? Computers and chip makers are already extremely motivated to make the most efficient systems possible. This doesn't do anything to improve technology or save power, it just makes companies waste a huge amount of extra money on something they were already going to do, and the customers have to pay for it. It serves to keep equipment out of the hands of individuals and upstarts so the megacoorporations can stay in power.
Even if a computer uses an extra 3WH of electricity, so what? It is not a burden on the grid.
The owner can choose to pay for it, or turn the computer off. Simple.
It's all just a distraction from the real bad actors: Hollywood render farms and Silicon Valley servers. Using the electricity equivalent of millions of homes to generate cold cynical profit.
Or what about Pacific Gas and Electric? They've refused to upkeep the grid for years, and now their collapsing lines are constantly setting California on fire.
California needs to stop buying snakeoil crap and start focuing on fixing their ancient crumbling electric system. Or, at least regulate the giant datacenters instead of individuals.
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Siana
If Alienware delete their bloatware, their computer will pass California energy efficiency requirement regulation!
Also forcing the death of 8GB prebuilts seems like a good thing, except ultra low power, ultra budget type machines, which are accounted for easily anyway. Once you're paying a grand and have a machine with a substantial componentry in there which sucks up idle powder, getting 8GB is a total ripoff. More extensibility is also a sane tradeoff, and something prebuilts often struggle with.
I'm not terribly worried about non compliant PSUs landing in a landfill. Isn't that forbidden to begin with? Just like you find used PSUs from servers and such sold for like 6 a pop, and frequently used by RC hobbyists and for lighting and such, these seem also like good candidates. They can also be sold off to China and land in cheap 3D printers and stuff, can't be a bad thing.
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If Alienware delete their bloatware, their computer will pass California energy efficiency requirement regulation!
Also forcing the death of 8GB prebuilts seems like a good thing, except ultra low power, ultra budget type machines, which are accounted for easily anyway. Once you're paying a grand and have a machine with a substantial componentry in there which sucks up idle powder, getting 8GB is a total ripoff. More extensibility is also a sane tradeoff, and something prebuilts often struggle with.
I'm not terribly worried about non compliant PSUs landing in a landfill. Isn't that forbidden to begin with? Just like you find used PSUs from servers and such sold for like 6 a pop, and frequently used by RC hobbyists and for lighting and such, these seem also like good candidates. They can also be sold off to China and land in cheap 3D printers and stuff, can't be a bad thing.
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Ryan
Very well said Steve. People don't realize, but Title 20 is something everyone in the applicable industries have been expecting and preparing for. I work in E-Commerce and behind the scenes we put in identifiers for restricted products that don't meet certain state's regulatory requirements MONTHS in advance. Dell planned fairly well to have their restrictions set up for the 1st, though they could have impacted how this was all perceived by offering alternative products meeting state regulations on those product pages (which I think they might be doing now?). Gaming PCs are not going away folks, if anything OEMs will be forced to put out better products in those states because they have to increase the power efficiency on their offerings which often times requires higher quality components
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Very well said Steve. People don't realize, but Title 20 is something everyone in the applicable industries have been expecting and preparing for. I work in E-Commerce and behind the scenes we put in identifiers for restricted products that don't meet certain state's regulatory requirements MONTHS in advance. Dell planned fairly well to have their restrictions set up for the 1st, though they could have impacted how this was all perceived by offering alternative products meeting state regulations on those product pages (which I think they might be doing now?). Gaming PCs are not going away folks, if anything OEMs will be forced to put out better products in those states because they have to increase the power efficiency on their offerings which often times requires higher quality components
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Jotham
Clickbait calling out Commie-fornia for over-reaching legislation always does well. These gaming pc headlines seem to be aiming in that direction. As a native Californian, I understand the desire to trash the state but it gets tiring and is almost always a serious over-simplification. We get it, y'all don't like our policies but please go away. We're trying to deal with climate change that is actively nuking our state and sure, we make mistakes (all the time) but at least we are trying something instead of sticking our head in the sand... It's a huge complex state with numerous stakeholders, simple approaches just don't cover our needs. Actually, some simple approaches would actually work but require buy-in from other states so that won't happen anytime soon.
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Clickbait calling out Commie-fornia for over-reaching legislation always does well. These gaming pc headlines seem to be aiming in that direction. As a native Californian, I understand the desire to trash the state but it gets tiring and is almost always a serious over-simplification. We get it, y'all don't like our policies but please go away. We're trying to deal with climate change that is actively nuking our state and sure, we make mistakes (all the time) but at least we are trying something instead of sticking our head in the sand... It's a huge complex state with numerous stakeholders, simple approaches just don't cover our needs. Actually, some simple approaches would actually work but require buy-in from other states so that won't happen anytime soon.
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Today
When I first hear of this from some friends, I could only slowly shake my head in disagreement over how silly the headline were...
It were rather obvious that it were a question about energy efficiency and idle power consumption. And these two things have never been that weird or unexpected to be fair.
Though, it would be nice to know the idle power consumption of various graphics cards on the market. Since if one works with more CPU oriented workloads, it is nice to go with a GPU that isn't always consuming tons of power. In short, the GPU peak performance might be less important than its idle power consumption. (This obviously depends on what workloads one runs. I for one don't do much GPU accelerated stuff.)
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When I first hear of this from some friends, I could only slowly shake my head in disagreement over how silly the headline were...
It were rather obvious that it were a question about energy efficiency and idle power consumption. And these two things have never been that weird or unexpected to be fair.
Though, it would be nice to know the idle power consumption of various graphics cards on the market. Since if one works with more CPU oriented workloads, it is nice to go with a GPU that isn't always consuming tons of power. In short, the GPU peak performance might be less important than its idle power consumption. (This obviously depends on what workloads one runs. I for one don't do much GPU accelerated stuff.)
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Kellic
Every time a new regulation comes into play be it for clean air/power/fuel efficiency/waste handling/etc. Everyone freaks out. After a few years no one even thinks twice of it. See the 80's and fuel efficiency standards. People were losing their minds over it. Now? 20-30MPG is the norm and no one gives a crap. We are trying to tighten it further and now we have the same people freaking out. People needs to calm the hell down. These power requirement are so minor any company can meet them. And as was mentioned this is going to get rid of crap power supplies in the market. This is a good thing.
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Every time a new regulation comes into play be it for clean air/power/fuel efficiency/waste handling/etc. Everyone freaks out. After a few years no one even thinks twice of it. See the 80's and fuel efficiency standards. People were losing their minds over it. Now? 20-30MPG is the norm and no one gives a crap. We are trying to tighten it further and now we have the same people freaking out. People needs to calm the hell down. These power requirement are so minor any company can meet them. And as was mentioned this is going to get rid of crap power supplies in the market. This is a good thing.
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DeadlyClipsOfficial
several US states are banning gaming Pc's . Yeah not gonna mention any names who also just posted something like this that leads to the same misleading BS just for clickbait.... Cough LTT Cough Quote from their post When your PCs are so power-inefficient the government says you can't sell them in 6 states . While its not entirely incorrect, rewording something just for clickbait is a horrible way to get a large chunk of misinformation spread. From 8:27 to 9:38 sums up what I just said
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several US states are banning gaming Pc's . Yeah not gonna mention any names who also just posted something like this that leads to the same misleading BS just for clickbait.... Cough LTT Cough Quote from their post When your PCs are so power-inefficient the government says you can't sell them in 6 states . While its not entirely incorrect, rewording something just for clickbait is a horrible way to get a large chunk of misinformation spread. From 8:27 to 9:38 sums up what I just said
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Illindi
It'd be funny old world if people would be fined and forced to correct for spreading misinformation intentionally. A clickbait title would skate the edge but a lot in this case would be paying fines and saying sorry...
Between Jay, Steve, Paul and LTT, usually you get a good sense of what's actually close to the truth if not the whole of it. Builds, parts or be it news. Sorry, I like having many sources since just one can't cover everything.
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It'd be funny old world if people would be fined and forced to correct for spreading misinformation intentionally. A clickbait title would skate the edge but a lot in this case would be paying fines and saying sorry...
Between Jay, Steve, Paul and LTT, usually you get a good sense of what's actually close to the truth if not the whole of it. Builds, parts or be it news. Sorry, I like having many sources since just one can't cover everything.
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Kenneth
I think it sounds like a good idea, in theory, especially since the big OEMs have had years to prepare, but like you and others have said, we have to basically wait and see how it ends up implemented. I do think that lowering waste during various idling states is definitely a good idea, but I'm also generally cautious on various government mandates. I'm not looking to get political, at all, like I said it sounds like a good idea, in theory.
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I think it sounds like a good idea, in theory, especially since the big OEMs have had years to prepare, but like you and others have said, we have to basically wait and see how it ends up implemented. I do think that lowering waste during various idling states is definitely a good idea, but I'm also generally cautious on various government mandates. I'm not looking to get political, at all, like I said it sounds like a good idea, in theory.
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