13 Years of Dell Getting Worse
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Date: 2021-11-02
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annihlator
Interesting to see this comparison.
Also lovely to see a q6600 in there, used to love my old one; had it OC'ed to 3.86 Ghz for many years and have had it in use in my main rig untill i upgraded to an i7-3820, even after that it has been in use for quite a few years as a secondary machine, with the only downside it would refute to run at stock speeds at that point, although i'd toned down the OC to 3.6Ghz as it was still stable there and the cooling at that point would still be adequate (with the 3.86Ghz OC i used to run a ThermalRight IFX-14 on it with triple fans :p )
The system is no longer functional, about a year ago when trying to fire it up it was simply dead, i fear it might've been the motherboard that's given the ghost as there were no postcode-beeps coming from the board anymore despite PSU turning on. It's still ran about 9yrs though, despite the level of strain that's been put on it :)
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Interesting to see this comparison.
Also lovely to see a q6600 in there, used to love my old one; had it OC'ed to 3.86 Ghz for many years and have had it in use in my main rig untill i upgraded to an i7-3820, even after that it has been in use for quite a few years as a secondary machine, with the only downside it would refute to run at stock speeds at that point, although i'd toned down the OC to 3.6Ghz as it was still stable there and the cooling at that point would still be adequate (with the 3.86Ghz OC i used to run a ThermalRight IFX-14 on it with triple fans :p )
The system is no longer functional, about a year ago when trying to fire it up it was simply dead, i fear it might've been the motherboard that's given the ghost as there were no postcode-beeps coming from the board anymore despite PSU turning on. It's still ran about 9yrs though, despite the level of strain that's been put on it :)
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Андреја
Although I mostly agree with GN, the comment about the fan mount on the new Dell is not justified, and Steve should have known better.
Those pokey rubber bits are designed so as to decouple the fan vibrations from the case, and through that, reduce the noise fans create.
The rubber bit is supposed to be pushed through the holes in the case, and then through the holes in the fan, and keep the fan in place. If they were something Dell-specific, which a reviewer might not have encountered in the past, it might have been OK, but even back when I used to sporadically build computers in 2006/7/8 they used to be available, and today some fan manufacturers, such as Noctua, ship them together with their fans.
Therefore, the unusual the rubber bit is an improvement compared to the screw.
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Although I mostly agree with GN, the comment about the fan mount on the new Dell is not justified, and Steve should have known better.
Those pokey rubber bits are designed so as to decouple the fan vibrations from the case, and through that, reduce the noise fans create.
The rubber bit is supposed to be pushed through the holes in the case, and then through the holes in the fan, and keep the fan in place. If they were something Dell-specific, which a reviewer might not have encountered in the past, it might have been OK, but even back when I used to sporadically build computers in 2006/7/8 they used to be available, and today some fan manufacturers, such as Noctua, ship them together with their fans.
Therefore, the unusual the rubber bit is an improvement compared to the screw.
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Federico
Dell probably didn't want just to make things harder for the buyers --> the reason why they made all that strange proprietary stuff is just maximizing their profit through economies of scale.
Probably it's difficult to earn much just by using standard components and putting their brand on them.
Dell PCs are worst for private users nowadays, but better for Dell, 'cause most Dell PCs are used by big and medium sized companies, which usually replace the whole IT hardware every 3 4 for years.
Not a winning strategy for the environment, 'cause basically those PCs aren't reusable, but that's the best strategy to maximize profit.
This point of the question is always the same and hard debated: there is al lot of work to do to save the environment but, who should pay for it?
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Dell probably didn't want just to make things harder for the buyers --> the reason why they made all that strange proprietary stuff is just maximizing their profit through economies of scale.
Probably it's difficult to earn much just by using standard components and putting their brand on them.
Dell PCs are worst for private users nowadays, but better for Dell, 'cause most Dell PCs are used by big and medium sized companies, which usually replace the whole IT hardware every 3 4 for years.
Not a winning strategy for the environment, 'cause basically those PCs aren't reusable, but that's the best strategy to maximize profit.
This point of the question is always the same and hard debated: there is al lot of work to do to save the environment but, who should pay for it?
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Bert
Dell has only been interested in maximizing its next quarterly profits. I will never forget the 2008 Dell Inspiron 1521, I bought with Windows Vista. It came with a 160GB disk, that could just reach a 40MB/s throughput. The perfect disk for Windows Vista :) After 4 years the motherboard did give up, it overheated. Maybe the laptop could not deal with the temps in the Caribbean. The 1st repair shop refused to replace the motherboard, since it was a well known problem for them. The 2nd one replaced the motherboard, but it died of overheating after 3 months, maybe also replacing the CPU from 2 x 1.8GHz to 2 x 2.3GHz killed it faster.
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Dell has only been interested in maximizing its next quarterly profits. I will never forget the 2008 Dell Inspiron 1521, I bought with Windows Vista. It came with a 160GB disk, that could just reach a 40MB/s throughput. The perfect disk for Windows Vista :) After 4 years the motherboard did give up, it overheated. Maybe the laptop could not deal with the temps in the Caribbean. The 1st repair shop refused to replace the motherboard, since it was a well known problem for them. The 2nd one replaced the motherboard, but it died of overheating after 3 months, maybe also replacing the CPU from 2 x 1.8GHz to 2 x 2.3GHz killed it faster.
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SteelRodent
I worked for a custom system builder briefly in 2003 and recall some of the first Pentium 4 boards (and possibly Xeon) had coolers mounted to the chassis rather than directly on the board. I remember it was weird that we had to screw big stands into the case, through these big holes in the motherboard, and the cooler was screwed directly into those instead of the clip-ons I was used to. We only built Intel systems (that is, Intel motherboards and cases designed for them), so don't know if that was a uniquely Intel design or normal for that period, since I've mostly worked with AMD systems since.
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I worked for a custom system builder briefly in 2003 and recall some of the first Pentium 4 boards (and possibly Xeon) had coolers mounted to the chassis rather than directly on the board. I remember it was weird that we had to screw big stands into the case, through these big holes in the motherboard, and the cooler was screwed directly into those instead of the clip-ons I was used to. We only built Intel systems (that is, Intel motherboards and cases designed for them), so don't know if that was a uniquely Intel design or normal for that period, since I've mostly worked with AMD systems since.
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Chris
I bought a Dell XPS 430 in 2008. (I was not a clever kid.) It makes the G5 look positively normal. When I upgraded the video card, I had to upgrade the PSU as well. In order to change the PSU... I had to remove the CPU cooler.
They had routed the CPU fan intake from the front of the case, so had a gigantic shroud built into the case on hinges. For who knows what reason, they built the CPU fan into the shroud. You couldn't move it at all without taking off the CPU fan. And the PSU cables ran behind the shroud...
On the other hand, the case looked awesome.
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I bought a Dell XPS 430 in 2008. (I was not a clever kid.) It makes the G5 look positively normal. When I upgraded the video card, I had to upgrade the PSU as well. In order to change the PSU... I had to remove the CPU cooler.
They had routed the CPU fan intake from the front of the case, so had a gigantic shroud built into the case on hinges. For who knows what reason, they built the CPU fan into the shroud. You couldn't move it at all without taking off the CPU fan. And the PSU cables ran behind the shroud...
On the other hand, the case looked awesome.
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CrimFerret
Even back then Dell sucked for home systems. How hard would it be to make a motherboard with the cooler mounts square to the motherboard like every other motherboard maker does it so you could easily add your own cooling solution? Everyone I've ever known who's bought a Dell has ended up wishing they hadn't, usually about the point an upgrade or two would otherwise have kept their system viable for a year or two longer. The obvious conclusion, is don't buy these absolute turds of the computer world.
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Even back then Dell sucked for home systems. How hard would it be to make a motherboard with the cooler mounts square to the motherboard like every other motherboard maker does it so you could easily add your own cooling solution? Everyone I've ever known who's bought a Dell has ended up wishing they hadn't, usually about the point an upgrade or two would otherwise have kept their system viable for a year or two longer. The obvious conclusion, is don't buy these absolute turds of the computer world.
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C sar
I have one XPX from that era that is actually exactly the same case, just a different front design, internally it is exactly the same, now my 9 y o kid plays Roblox with it and it is just fine, I've replaced the fans for artic ones, replaced the thermal paste and this computer had never failed. and the power supply have standart conectors, I can update the graphics card for something low end once it is available again one day, so it is nice...
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I have one XPX from that era that is actually exactly the same case, just a different front design, internally it is exactly the same, now my 9 y o kid plays Roblox with it and it is just fine, I've replaced the fans for artic ones, replaced the thermal paste and this computer had never failed. and the power supply have standart conectors, I can update the graphics card for something low end once it is available again one day, so it is nice...
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Naadir
Tbf, I got years of mileage out of an Inspiron that was standard mATX. Switched the PSU and GPU immediately, but was far cheaper than building at the time. Not sure what year it was.
The newer model looks extremely similar to their Optiplex business series that never used mATX. They were generally optimised for quick on site repair either by corporate staff or a floating Dell engineer.
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Tbf, I got years of mileage out of an Inspiron that was standard mATX. Switched the PSU and GPU immediately, but was far cheaper than building at the time. Not sure what year it was.
The newer model looks extremely similar to their Optiplex business series that never used mATX. They were generally optimised for quick on site repair either by corporate staff or a floating Dell engineer.
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