AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 7950X, 9700X, 14900K, & More
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Date: 2024-08-14
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MDFGamingVideo
The setup mistake and lost work isn't rocket science. It also isn't AMD's fault. I will explain:
TL:DR = This is the same kind of part. If you had to do it that way before, keep doing it that way. DUH!
You could take notes and remember your learned experiences with prior x3D parts and use that experience to develop foresight. At the very least, you would know what questions to ASK AMD before you BEGIN work. As you gain experience you will understand that if you had to follow a specific procedure with one x3D part, and you have not been instructed to do otherwise, your last set of instructions still apply and you should continue to follow them, until instructed otherwise.
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The setup mistake and lost work isn't rocket science. It also isn't AMD's fault. I will explain:
TL:DR = This is the same kind of part. If you had to do it that way before, keep doing it that way. DUH!
You could take notes and remember your learned experiences with prior x3D parts and use that experience to develop foresight. At the very least, you would know what questions to ASK AMD before you BEGIN work. As you gain experience you will understand that if you had to follow a specific procedure with one x3D part, and you have not been instructed to do otherwise, your last set of instructions still apply and you should continue to follow them, until instructed otherwise.
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JaleGameSharing
With Adobe getting a smack down recently, I wonder if the tests for Adobe are an equivalent guide for software like Davinci Resolve or Affinity graphics software.
For me this means that anything I have with a 12xxxK or 58xxX CPU, I can wait for another 1-2 years before considering upgrading, saving a lot of money in the process.
I'm curious about, and you'll probably answer in another video very soon; If it doesn't have something like the X3D cache being only on one 1 CCU, then why does it need core parking Are they doing performance/efficiency cores like Intel, and not marketing it like Intel did Do half the cores have a different execution pipeline Is AI getting in the way somehow
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With Adobe getting a smack down recently, I wonder if the tests for Adobe are an equivalent guide for software like Davinci Resolve or Affinity graphics software.
For me this means that anything I have with a 12xxxK or 58xxX CPU, I can wait for another 1-2 years before considering upgrading, saving a lot of money in the process.
I'm curious about, and you'll probably answer in another video very soon; If it doesn't have something like the X3D cache being only on one 1 CCU, then why does it need core parking Are they doing performance/efficiency cores like Intel, and not marketing it like Intel did Do half the cores have a different execution pipeline Is AI getting in the way somehow
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J-Kimble
What the hell is going on at AMD Could they have butchered this launch more:
Delay release due to performance issues.
Release product later, with same performance issues.
Said product is not even a good side-grade for existing chips.
Have performance regression in certain workloads.
Have half the cpus arrive DOA at the reviewers.
Tout efficiency, while it's near identical or worse then previous gen.
Tout beating competition by 16% while actually losing by 7%.
Notify reviewers almost a week late about the intricacies of your new products, rendering days of their work useless.
Price products higher than the previous gen (that's still available).
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What the hell is going on at AMD Could they have butchered this launch more:
Delay release due to performance issues.
Release product later, with same performance issues.
Said product is not even a good side-grade for existing chips.
Have performance regression in certain workloads.
Have half the cpus arrive DOA at the reviewers.
Tout efficiency, while it's near identical or worse then previous gen.
Tout beating competition by 16% while actually losing by 7%.
Notify reviewers almost a week late about the intricacies of your new products, rendering days of their work useless.
Price products higher than the previous gen (that's still available).
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adogawa1974
I am scared to think what would have happened if they did this back when they had planned to release this thing! Still sad to see them trip on themselves. At least the product works, but this is sad. The performance gain was minimal overall. I was thinking of getting a 9000 series cpu to go to AM5 but as of right now, I might just get a 7000 series and then wait for the 10,000 series where they HOPEFULLY will have mastered their new architecture.... Glad I waited though, I would have been kicking myself if I went from my AM4 5600x to a 7600x or 7700x and found that the 9000 series was significantly more powerful. Still sad.
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I am scared to think what would have happened if they did this back when they had planned to release this thing! Still sad to see them trip on themselves. At least the product works, but this is sad. The performance gain was minimal overall. I was thinking of getting a 9000 series cpu to go to AM5 but as of right now, I might just get a 7000 series and then wait for the 10,000 series where they HOPEFULLY will have mastered their new architecture.... Glad I waited though, I would have been kicking myself if I went from my AM4 5600x to a 7600x or 7700x and found that the 9000 series was significantly more powerful. Still sad.
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gamersnexus
I'm kinda bummed on the comments on 7950x3D. I bought it early and I really liked it. I'm a mix of games and workload as well, so it seemed logical and now I see the 7800X3D just seems like the better buy all around. I was hoping that the processor parking was the issue, but it's too complicated for me to even dig into right now. I'm just thankful that my entire build was based around the 7950x3D and the Windows install was brand new, so my set-up has never seen anything else and it's working for me well with 128GB RAM matched with a 4090. I thought I was buying a Lamborghini and it looks like I got a Abrams Tank instead.
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I'm kinda bummed on the comments on 7950x3D. I bought it early and I really liked it. I'm a mix of games and workload as well, so it seemed logical and now I see the 7800X3D just seems like the better buy all around. I was hoping that the processor parking was the issue, but it's too complicated for me to even dig into right now. I'm just thankful that my entire build was based around the 7950x3D and the Windows install was brand new, so my set-up has never seen anything else and it's working for me well with 128GB RAM matched with a 4090. I thought I was buying a Lamborghini and it looks like I got a Abrams Tank instead.
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Hugh_I
So to sum up, AMD did not exactly convince with its new lineup to compete against AMD. Especially gamers should consider going AMD instead. AMD has slight improvements on efficiency and performance, but to convincingly put up fierce competition against the market leader AMD, it'll have to complete more aggressively on price. Also, for budget builds or upgrade from older hardware, there is still the contender AMD with their impressive AM4 platform. This release is not particularly exciting, but at least we have healthy competition between AMD and AMD and AMD.
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So to sum up, AMD did not exactly convince with its new lineup to compete against AMD. Especially gamers should consider going AMD instead. AMD has slight improvements on efficiency and performance, but to convincingly put up fierce competition against the market leader AMD, it'll have to complete more aggressively on price. Also, for budget builds or upgrade from older hardware, there is still the contender AMD with their impressive AM4 platform. This release is not particularly exciting, but at least we have healthy competition between AMD and AMD and AMD.
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Rudimaentaer
1:20 This is nothing new. The Cpu specialist from PC Games Hardware, David Ney, did report problems on this ages ago and AMD never made an offical statement.
Thats why they always set a new windows up when changing from 1 CCD models two 2 CCD's and betweeen every 2 CCD's.
Especially with the 3xd two ccd models. And when you switch back from the x3d two ccd to non x3d or one ccd, it gets even worse.
But who cares what the biggest german gaming hardware site says.
btw. they testing fps per w since ages. It has to be even before 2013.
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1:20 This is nothing new. The Cpu specialist from PC Games Hardware, David Ney, did report problems on this ages ago and AMD never made an offical statement.
Thats why they always set a new windows up when changing from 1 CCD models two 2 CCD's and betweeen every 2 CCD's.
Especially with the 3xd two ccd models. And when you switch back from the x3d two ccd to non x3d or one ccd, it gets even worse.
But who cares what the biggest german gaming hardware site says.
btw. they testing fps per w since ages. It has to be even before 2013.
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xlr555usa
This is why Im getting 7950X3D, we beta test games and hardware for these companies. We need clear guidance and support. We need some kind of middle ground where the user has to put in work and research. Why cant these companies put out more tutorials. Also Discord can help.
Snoozetubers have dtopped the ball in their coverage of Intel Arc. Ive been using the Intel Discord and IntelArc reddit to get things done. In the long run my hardwork will pay off, further - faster - farther. You can do it yourself, Im a ping away.
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This is why Im getting 7950X3D, we beta test games and hardware for these companies. We need clear guidance and support. We need some kind of middle ground where the user has to put in work and research. Why cant these companies put out more tutorials. Also Discord can help.
Snoozetubers have dtopped the ball in their coverage of Intel Arc. Ive been using the Intel Discord and IntelArc reddit to get things done. In the long run my hardwork will pay off, further - faster - farther. You can do it yourself, Im a ping away.
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KellicTiger
Clarification on setup by AMD is needed as I run Fedora. If setup is the same as the X3D it would suggest that scheduling may be different with these new chips. Any scheduling with E/P cores and 3D-VCache is nonexistent on Linux. Meaning these new chips may be leaving performance on the table in Linux. Up til now I've just been ignoring chips with the above technologies. But if something is changing where the traditional chips now need some TLC on the scheduling I may need to bypass these as well.
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Clarification on setup by AMD is needed as I run Fedora. If setup is the same as the X3D it would suggest that scheduling may be different with these new chips. Any scheduling with E/P cores and 3D-VCache is nonexistent on Linux. Meaning these new chips may be leaving performance on the table in Linux. Up til now I've just been ignoring chips with the above technologies. But if something is changing where the traditional chips now need some TLC on the scheduling I may need to bypass these as well.
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bjyoungblood
I've had a 5950x since 2021 and have been very pleased with it. With the 7950x outperforming the 5950x by so much and the cost of it dropping so much, it seems like a much more attractive option for moving to AM5. Also, getting into the early chip that gives a good uplift will provide me with more uplift potential on the platform long term. The performance difference between the 9950x and 7950x seems to be pretty negligible, and any energy efficiency gains don't matter to me at all.
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I've had a 5950x since 2021 and have been very pleased with it. With the 7950x outperforming the 5950x by so much and the cost of it dropping so much, it seems like a much more attractive option for moving to AM5. Also, getting into the early chip that gives a good uplift will provide me with more uplift potential on the platform long term. The performance difference between the 9950x and 7950x seems to be pretty negligible, and any energy efficiency gains don't matter to me at all.
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seraphin01
man even after watching the whole thing I don't really know what's best.. upgrading a new build from a Ryzen 7 3700x for lightroom and photoshop and davinci as the main use (don't care about gaming), but the increase from the 7000 series seems negligible.
Especially after finding some 7900 (non X) for 360 bucks brand new which is barely above the price of a 9600x.. I'm guessing I'll wait for black friday deals to get it even cheaper and leave the 9000 on the shelves
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man even after watching the whole thing I don't really know what's best.. upgrading a new build from a Ryzen 7 3700x for lightroom and photoshop and davinci as the main use (don't care about gaming), but the increase from the 7000 series seems negligible.
Especially after finding some 7900 (non X) for 360 bucks brand new which is barely above the price of a 9600x.. I'm guessing I'll wait for black friday deals to get it even cheaper and leave the 9000 on the shelves
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Tystros
Thanks for including comparisons against the 7950X, 5950X and 3950X and highlighting them in every chart! That't really the important ones. I would be curious to also see some benchmark results without doing the correct core parking configuration I have the feeling most people will not know they have to manually do those steps. It would be very good to know how much performance is lost then. In productivity it should still be the same, just games would be worse, right
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Thanks for including comparisons against the 7950X, 5950X and 3950X and highlighting them in every chart! That't really the important ones. I would be curious to also see some benchmark results without doing the correct core parking configuration I have the feeling most people will not know they have to manually do those steps. It would be very good to know how much performance is lost then. In productivity it should still be the same, just games would be worse, right
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CoffehKittehGrey
A summer of Disappointment Shirt contenders is clearly upon us. But, remember people, Commander Copium tells us these aren't Gaming CPU's and shouldn't be measured as such. AMD have given no impression at any time that these chips can or should be used for gaming. Nor did Lisa Su mention gaming at ANY time during the launch. These are Efficient Productivity CPU's and all the negative reviews are wrong because they aren't 'measuring them correctly'. [/sarcasm]
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A summer of Disappointment Shirt contenders is clearly upon us. But, remember people, Commander Copium tells us these aren't Gaming CPU's and shouldn't be measured as such. AMD have given no impression at any time that these chips can or should be used for gaming. Nor did Lisa Su mention gaming at ANY time during the launch. These are Efficient Productivity CPU's and all the negative reviews are wrong because they aren't 'measuring them correctly'. [/sarcasm]
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ThatMetalheadMan
At least this video mentions the power mode sub options of the Balanced power plan. I have been wondering how Balanced Best-Performance differs from the High Performance power plan, or the opposite direction with Balanced-Best Power Efficiency differs from Power Saver and not just in regard to these new chips and core parking, but just in general. I cannot find any articles or videos even touching upon this. It's like almost nobody knows it's even a thing.
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At least this video mentions the power mode sub options of the Balanced power plan. I have been wondering how Balanced Best-Performance differs from the High Performance power plan, or the opposite direction with Balanced-Best Power Efficiency differs from Power Saver and not just in regard to these new chips and core parking, but just in general. I cannot find any articles or videos even touching upon this. It's like almost nobody knows it's even a thing.
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gamersnexus
I do miss the 7950X3D in the gaming benchmarks. Because i am between that one, and the 9950X. And yes, i would prefer the 9950X3D, but as i wanna build a new PC this year it propably will be to late (or to long of a wait) for that one. I do a lot of gaming btw, but also productity work on my PC (some video editing, audio editing etc.) That's why i'm going for more cores and i want a good overall performance. Currenly the 3900X is my daily driver.
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I do miss the 7950X3D in the gaming benchmarks. Because i am between that one, and the 9950X. And yes, i would prefer the 9950X3D, but as i wanna build a new PC this year it propably will be to late (or to long of a wait) for that one. I do a lot of gaming btw, but also productity work on my PC (some video editing, audio editing etc.) That's why i'm going for more cores and i want a good overall performance. Currenly the 3900X is my daily driver.
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anothercritic
The efficiency graphs can be a bit confusing, maybe you could show thin bars with the performance too instead of us always trying to calculate the performance from the power consumption number
Pretty difficult to compare anyway since there are thousand ways to tune the power and every CPU has a different wattage sweetspot
Technically there need to be gradients on top of the performance bars, color coded for comparative efficiency lol
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The efficiency graphs can be a bit confusing, maybe you could show thin bars with the performance too instead of us always trying to calculate the performance from the power consumption number
Pretty difficult to compare anyway since there are thousand ways to tune the power and every CPU has a different wattage sweetspot
Technically there need to be gradients on top of the performance bars, color coded for comparative efficiency lol
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adogawa1974
I know to the layman getting the raw info on what changed between the two CPUs design wise but that might explain some of what's going on here. Still should have let this bake some more but I guess they felt they needed to get this out in peoples hands. Lets hope they learn from this and make improvements with the chip design for the next generation of AM5 cpus.
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I know to the layman getting the raw info on what changed between the two CPUs design wise but that might explain some of what's going on here. Still should have let this bake some more but I guess they felt they needed to get this out in peoples hands. Lets hope they learn from this and make improvements with the chip design for the next generation of AM5 cpus.
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robainscough
Reading your data, AMD is better than Intel in every aspect for performance, price, and power consumption shame Intel have lost focus wondering how Apple’s M4 does against Intel and AMD I have 2 Intel CPUs, 2 AMD CPUs, 1 M4 CPU my next purchase will be AMD 9950X AFTER Microsoft get their software working correctly with AMD and stop handicapping it.
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Reading your data, AMD is better than Intel in every aspect for performance, price, and power consumption shame Intel have lost focus wondering how Apple’s M4 does against Intel and AMD I have 2 Intel CPUs, 2 AMD CPUs, 1 M4 CPU my next purchase will be AMD 9950X AFTER Microsoft get their software working correctly with AMD and stop handicapping it.
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cupofsadge8359
If you dont want to use Game Bar then use Park Control, a lightweight GUI which allows users to configure cores.
Im using a R9 7900X3D and my settings are as follows;
Power Profile: Balanced
Plugged In (AC) -
Parking: Off 100%
Freq Scaling: On 5%
On Battery (DC) -
Parking: Off 100%
Freq Scaling: On 5%
Simple. Easy.
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If you dont want to use Game Bar then use Park Control, a lightweight GUI which allows users to configure cores.
Im using a R9 7900X3D and my settings are as follows;
Power Profile: Balanced
Plugged In (AC) -
Parking: Off 100%
Freq Scaling: On 5%
On Battery (DC) -
Parking: Off 100%
Freq Scaling: On 5%
Simple. Easy.
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KAMS-r3s
Looking at gaming results i think up coming 9800x3d wont be much faster than 7800x3d , maybe 5% at most . Zen5 is not doing too well ,
Zen cpu architecture has hit the IPC wall , nice run 2017 to 2024 , beat out all intel cpu and benchmarks , applause for AMD for achieving that.
Now Amd need new ground up design , where is jim keller , lol
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Looking at gaming results i think up coming 9800x3d wont be much faster than 7800x3d , maybe 5% at most . Zen5 is not doing too well ,
Zen cpu architecture has hit the IPC wall , nice run 2017 to 2024 , beat out all intel cpu and benchmarks , applause for AMD for achieving that.
Now Amd need new ground up design , where is jim keller , lol
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