Intel Did It: Core i9-12900K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD
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Date: 2021-11-04
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Lord
Ahhhhh okay, this is what I was expecting that I didn't see in Linus's videos: 0.1% lows. I was excited about E-Cores because of lowering the idle and basic task power draw, but also because they equivalent CPUs had the same number of P-Cores as AMD but with extra E-Cores for those basic tasks, but I was worried about stuttering issues to do with scheduling and switching from E-Cores to P-Cores and that's exactly what I'm seeing in the gaming benchmarks here. Essentially, the P-Cores smashed it, and that's great for Intel and for competition in the industry again, but I especially hate stuttering more than I do lower FPS as long as it's constant, and that might be a bigger issue here (for now). I'm still an AMD fanboy though so all I can hope for is AMD to do something similar and offer low-power cores tacked onto the die.
Also, it's super intriguing that Total War: Kingdoms just plain crashed on Windows 10.
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Ahhhhh okay, this is what I was expecting that I didn't see in Linus's videos: 0.1% lows. I was excited about E-Cores because of lowering the idle and basic task power draw, but also because they equivalent CPUs had the same number of P-Cores as AMD but with extra E-Cores for those basic tasks, but I was worried about stuttering issues to do with scheduling and switching from E-Cores to P-Cores and that's exactly what I'm seeing in the gaming benchmarks here. Essentially, the P-Cores smashed it, and that's great for Intel and for competition in the industry again, but I especially hate stuttering more than I do lower FPS as long as it's constant, and that might be a bigger issue here (for now). I'm still an AMD fanboy though so all I can hope for is AMD to do something similar and offer low-power cores tacked onto the die.
Also, it's super intriguing that Total War: Kingdoms just plain crashed on Windows 10.
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Geoff
The good news is Intel is back in the performance race. But the power and thermal results to make that happen are shameful. Requires a new scheduler to work well, breaks some compatibility, is hot and power hungry And while the CPUs are price competitive with their direct AMD counterparts, the chipset/motherboard and DDR5 RAM to deliver that performance aren t price competitive. Need to see DDR4 results, which so far are absent, as that s what many people upgrading to this likely already have.
To me, this has the appearance of being the Pentium 4 all over again. Remember, AMD has lots of power/thermal budget to retake the crown here, because once again, despite touting these efficiency cores, Intel has pursued performance by throwing power at it. Yes, they have clearly improved IPC, and that s good news, but it s not enough to keep the, in the lead for long. Overall, I m not impressed.
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The good news is Intel is back in the performance race. But the power and thermal results to make that happen are shameful. Requires a new scheduler to work well, breaks some compatibility, is hot and power hungry And while the CPUs are price competitive with their direct AMD counterparts, the chipset/motherboard and DDR5 RAM to deliver that performance aren t price competitive. Need to see DDR4 results, which so far are absent, as that s what many people upgrading to this likely already have.
To me, this has the appearance of being the Pentium 4 all over again. Remember, AMD has lots of power/thermal budget to retake the crown here, because once again, despite touting these efficiency cores, Intel has pursued performance by throwing power at it. Yes, they have clearly improved IPC, and that s good news, but it s not enough to keep the, in the lead for long. Overall, I m not impressed.
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Entenkommando
So Intel is going the same route as Nvidia where they just completely throw efficiency out the window and max out power draw just so they can be 1% above AMD. How is that impressive again?
Think about it: we've come to a point where a 1000W PSU, previously only needed by highend dual GPU setups, can be maxed out by an ordinary highend system. And yet every year we keep hearing how much more efficient and awesome the new architecture are... Pascal was the last one to really care about that aspect.
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So Intel is going the same route as Nvidia where they just completely throw efficiency out the window and max out power draw just so they can be 1% above AMD. How is that impressive again?
Think about it: we've come to a point where a 1000W PSU, previously only needed by highend dual GPU setups, can be maxed out by an ordinary highend system. And yet every year we keep hearing how much more efficient and awesome the new architecture are... Pascal was the last one to really care about that aspect.
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Rudi
Chappelle got a new movie idea, Space Heaters, featuring Intel CPU's...
Just some things to add up, the Motherboard has to be really good, VRM's alone have to be really really good, i mean, Big Little makes sense, but it's not evolution in efficiency, it's just out of the box overclocked cpu... it needs twice to power to beat the 5950X at stock by a few percent!
If this was AMD doing this sort of stuff it would be laughing stock of IT industry right? Oh wait Bulldozer and Piledriver anyone?
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Chappelle got a new movie idea, Space Heaters, featuring Intel CPU's...
Just some things to add up, the Motherboard has to be really good, VRM's alone have to be really really good, i mean, Big Little makes sense, but it's not evolution in efficiency, it's just out of the box overclocked cpu... it needs twice to power to beat the 5950X at stock by a few percent!
If this was AMD doing this sort of stuff it would be laughing stock of IT industry right? Oh wait Bulldozer and Piledriver anyone?
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Darren
I keep seeing videos now tagging AMD is in trouble now and similar.
I honestly expected more (or less from power consumption perspective) from Intel which is being compared against AMD models release 12 months ago.
I think the biggest disappointment for me is the lack luster attempt to make it look like they were going efficient.
Sticking with this use tonnes of power to get performance is amplified in a server type environment and a much bigger disadvantage then anything else.
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I keep seeing videos now tagging AMD is in trouble now and similar.
I honestly expected more (or less from power consumption perspective) from Intel which is being compared against AMD models release 12 months ago.
I think the biggest disappointment for me is the lack luster attempt to make it look like they were going efficient.
Sticking with this use tonnes of power to get performance is amplified in a server type environment and a much bigger disadvantage then anything else.
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Kah
Hello and thank you for your really interesting video.
I have two questions, according to you, is the Msi Mag Corelliquid C280 AIO enough to properly cool an I9 12900k ? (for gaming).
Then, would I really see a difference compared to a Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black ?
It's my very first watercooling, and I read that it's not always better than a good Ventirad under 280mm, so I'm very hesitant and I need some advice.
Thanks a lot :))
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Hello and thank you for your really interesting video.
I have two questions, according to you, is the Msi Mag Corelliquid C280 AIO enough to properly cool an I9 12900k ? (for gaming).
Then, would I really see a difference compared to a Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black ?
It's my very first watercooling, and I read that it's not always better than a good Ventirad under 280mm, so I'm very hesitant and I need some advice.
Thanks a lot :))
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bassben004
Just a small point 5600G is available for like 200. I don t really have a problem with that. If they had Athlon 5000G, Ryzen 5200G, 5300G, 5600G, 5600x as their bottom of the stack, I think that would make complete sense. Why buy a sub 200 CPU without integrated graphics? They didn t release the ones below the 5600G, but everything I ve seen has that priced decently below the 5600X
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Just a small point 5600G is available for like 200. I don t really have a problem with that. If they had Athlon 5000G, Ryzen 5200G, 5300G, 5600G, 5600x as their bottom of the stack, I think that would make complete sense. Why buy a sub 200 CPU without integrated graphics? They didn t release the ones below the 5600G, but everything I ve seen has that priced decently below the 5600X
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Packet
You were very excited to make this video as much I was excited steve, but the difference is that I didn't know the results of the tests, but you knew previously and stayed excited while I didn't once I have seen the results. Nothing impressive honestly in this launch. My 9900K is still good and this 12900k does not crush it in gaming. It is barely better still
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You were very excited to make this video as much I was excited steve, but the difference is that I didn't know the results of the tests, but you knew previously and stayed excited while I didn't once I have seen the results. Nothing impressive honestly in this launch. My 9900K is still good and this 12900k does not crush it in gaming. It is barely better still
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Rcmike1234
Just curious if y'all have had a discussion about blender testing. Most of the renders i do are on my GPU these days, and my CPU is usually being eaten up when doing simulations/other computational stuff outside of rendering. Curious if results would be similar for physics sims and other blender workloads that are exclusively CPU
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Just curious if y'all have had a discussion about blender testing. Most of the renders i do are on my GPU these days, and my CPU is usually being eaten up when doing simulations/other computational stuff outside of rendering. Curious if results would be similar for physics sims and other blender workloads that are exclusively CPU
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RN1441
The loud part: Congratulations intel on outperforming AMD. The quiet part: A full year later at 2x the power draw.
I'm legitimately happy to have more choice and supply in the market, I just expected it to be a lot more power efficient given intel has been struggling with this 10nm process for the desktop since 2016.
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The loud part: Congratulations intel on outperforming AMD. The quiet part: A full year later at 2x the power draw.
I'm legitimately happy to have more choice and supply in the market, I just expected it to be a lot more power efficient given intel has been struggling with this 10nm process for the desktop since 2016.
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