Intel 12900K Issue Report: VBS, Game DRM, BIOS & Power Limits, Cooler Spacing, & PCIe 5
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Date: 2021-11-14
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Niels
To be honest you should have been more clear about the VBS setting in your windows 10 vs windows 11 video. I also made a comment there. You didn't really make it explicitly clear in that video what the exact VBS settings were in those tests (only some remarks about default settings , which isn't explicit enough in my opinion). In my opinion that makes your windows 10 vs windows 11 video a bit redundant: it just confirms what we already know that VBS has an impact on performance. It would have been more interesting in that video if you tested windows 10 without VBS, windows 10 with VBS, windows 11 without VBS and windows 11 with VBS. Then we'd really get to see how much of the performance impact is by VBS, and how much is by possible other changes in Windows 11.
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To be honest you should have been more clear about the VBS setting in your windows 10 vs windows 11 video. I also made a comment there. You didn't really make it explicitly clear in that video what the exact VBS settings were in those tests (only some remarks about default settings , which isn't explicit enough in my opinion). In my opinion that makes your windows 10 vs windows 11 video a bit redundant: it just confirms what we already know that VBS has an impact on performance. It would have been more interesting in that video if you tested windows 10 without VBS, windows 10 with VBS, windows 11 without VBS and windows 11 with VBS. Then we'd really get to see how much of the performance impact is by VBS, and how much is by possible other changes in Windows 11.
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Invertex
On the point about Gen5, there is something to be said about its support on the platform as a whole, which is that we can add more Gen3 or Gen4 slots with less lanes used.
Some of the Z690 motherboards provide 2x PCIE5 x16 slots running at x8 when both in use. This means you essentially have two full speed x16 4.0 slots, which is very useful to many workstation users who may have multiple GPUs, or need to support blazing faster storage in that extra slot.
(Not to mention the increased count of Gen4 NVMe slots on this generation)
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On the point about Gen5, there is something to be said about its support on the platform as a whole, which is that we can add more Gen3 or Gen4 slots with less lanes used.
Some of the Z690 motherboards provide 2x PCIE5 x16 slots running at x8 when both in use. This means you essentially have two full speed x16 4.0 slots, which is very useful to many workstation users who may have multiple GPUs, or need to support blazing faster storage in that extra slot.
(Not to mention the increased count of Gen4 NVMe slots on this generation)
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diecast
Does anyone know the significance of the batch numbers? Most of the review samples I have seen have that V134I690 batch number on them, but mine is different, it starts V135, I guess here the I690 on GN's CPU is just coincidence, like 690 being the same number as the chip set, mine isn't 690. Anyway, what I was going to say is notice that they haven't put the base clock on the CPU this time, like before the 9900K had 3.6Ghz engraved on the die, the 10900k had 3.7Ghz Etc, but the 12900K doesn't mention the speed at all.
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Does anyone know the significance of the batch numbers? Most of the review samples I have seen have that V134I690 batch number on them, but mine is different, it starts V135, I guess here the I690 on GN's CPU is just coincidence, like 690 being the same number as the chip set, mine isn't 690. Anyway, what I was going to say is notice that they haven't put the base clock on the CPU this time, like before the 9900K had 3.6Ghz engraved on the die, the 10900k had 3.7Ghz Etc, but the 12900K doesn't mention the speed at all.
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Tvon
Would you buy a new house missing the roof?
Would you buy a new car with a busted motor?
I don t understand how a massive global company like Intel, Microsoft etc can legally sell a product to people on a global scale and it doesn t work to it full potential or to its customers expectations .. surely can t be legal? I m sure this is an Administration or marketing issue.. but something is definitely legally wrong with supplying customers a product that doesn t function at its fullest capacity..just sayin
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Would you buy a new house missing the roof?
Would you buy a new car with a busted motor?
I don t understand how a massive global company like Intel, Microsoft etc can legally sell a product to people on a global scale and it doesn t work to it full potential or to its customers expectations .. surely can t be legal? I m sure this is an Administration or marketing issue.. but something is definitely legally wrong with supplying customers a product that doesn t function at its fullest capacity..just sayin
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The
With these amount of annoying issues it probably is a good move for AMD to wait for these issues to be worked on before releasing zen4. No DDR5 in stock and high prices, windows 11 needing more work, b660 MB will be what I ll wait for and bugs everywhere. I do believe that 12th gen CPUs will improve as these issues get ironed out and probably perform better than they do today one year from now. 13th gen will be great. I hope the power consumption could be improved but who knows
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With these amount of annoying issues it probably is a good move for AMD to wait for these issues to be worked on before releasing zen4. No DDR5 in stock and high prices, windows 11 needing more work, b660 MB will be what I ll wait for and bugs everywhere. I do believe that 12th gen CPUs will improve as these issues get ironed out and probably perform better than they do today one year from now. 13th gen will be great. I hope the power consumption could be improved but who knows
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Menthix
So is it not just me? After trying win11 and win10 as well I get the weird fact that MSI Afterburner is unable to fix the gpu power limit %.
I set it to 51% but it still goes up to 89%. Sometimes it glitches and stays at 39%. (Asus z690 Prime-p wifi)
On cooler spacing. In my case my cooler is a little bit more towards to the top than before (z370) and it doesn't fit in the case anymore without blocking the top fan.
Lucky I could align it 90 degrees rotated as well.
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So is it not just me? After trying win11 and win10 as well I get the weird fact that MSI Afterburner is unable to fix the gpu power limit %.
I set it to 51% but it still goes up to 89%. Sometimes it glitches and stays at 39%. (Asus z690 Prime-p wifi)
On cooler spacing. In my case my cooler is a little bit more towards to the top than before (z370) and it doesn't fit in the case anymore without blocking the top fan.
Lucky I could align it 90 degrees rotated as well.
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Monchi
I am still wondering if it's possible to underclock o simply set a fixed frequency for Intel pcores in such manner that they either perform better, equal or worse then Intel ecores t the same power usage level. Would like to know the same for AMD Zen cores vs Intel ecores so trying to clock Zen cores at a watt for watt eqaulization performance benchmarking. I would call down-clocking to a watt for watt comparison, dare I name it down-watt performance comparison.
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I am still wondering if it's possible to underclock o simply set a fixed frequency for Intel pcores in such manner that they either perform better, equal or worse then Intel ecores t the same power usage level. Would like to know the same for AMD Zen cores vs Intel ecores so trying to clock Zen cores at a watt for watt eqaulization performance benchmarking. I would call down-clocking to a watt for watt comparison, dare I name it down-watt performance comparison.
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timothy
You can make the thermaltake original 939/775 waterblock kit to fit most sockets , plus its still great cooling. Some of the p500 pumps have been going for decades. I will add that I switched to EK cooling blocks back on socket 3930k (which thermaltake original didn't fit) . The most important thing to know about water cooling is that there is more cooling to be had when you use custom parts to build your own loops.
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You can make the thermaltake original 939/775 waterblock kit to fit most sockets , plus its still great cooling. Some of the p500 pumps have been going for decades. I will add that I switched to EK cooling blocks back on socket 3930k (which thermaltake original didn't fit) . The most important thing to know about water cooling is that there is more cooling to be had when you use custom parts to build your own loops.
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Just
Oooooooohhhhhhhh. VBS is Virtualization-Based Security now. Not Visual Basic Script. Ooooh. Okay. I get it. Phew! For a second there I was afraid people were opening Excel spreadsheets from people they don't trust. Because reusing an acronym that already existed AND had security and performance implications was by no means confusing or anything. :-\ Thanks for thinking THAT ONE through, whoever named it that. :-P
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Oooooooohhhhhhhh. VBS is Virtualization-Based Security now. Not Visual Basic Script. Ooooh. Okay. I get it. Phew! For a second there I was afraid people were opening Excel spreadsheets from people they don't trust. Because reusing an acronym that already existed AND had security and performance implications was by no means confusing or anything. :-\ Thanks for thinking THAT ONE through, whoever named it that. :-P
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justin
first: why did this vbs portion take nearly half of the time in this video?? second: vbs...no, I'm not buying this corporate shit...not security in general...but dig a little deeper...this is two companies making something in partnership to force consumption of new products...that is the bigger picture here. So...again, back to mint or some other distro for me.
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first: why did this vbs portion take nearly half of the time in this video?? second: vbs...no, I'm not buying this corporate shit...not security in general...but dig a little deeper...this is two companies making something in partnership to force consumption of new products...that is the bigger picture here. So...again, back to mint or some other distro for me.
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