HW News - Rumored 65W TDP Ryzen 3000 w/ 12 Cores, Intel 14nm Shortage, iCUE Fix
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Toms
The reasons we're not seeing more cards like this is simple, It doesnt go with anything, they AIBs finally realised we just want monochrome, black/white/grey/silver/chrome because we can put it in any system and use RGB for any color accentuation. Every pc now is one of the following 1) anti RGB pc (like mine)-black, just black, with darkness. 2) Black with RGB-you want a black pc thats understated and doesnt glow if you leave it on while you sleep but can be a rave if you want it to. 3) White with RGB- same as last but you like it to be brighter so its white instead and the RGB makes the white surfaces whatever color you feel like. 4) Unicorn poop (name of system I built)-RGB everything with mixed colored parts, Every color you can get your hands on including black(light, maybe kitty-card would work in this case but its rare. I'd love to see GN design a card(cooler) for a reference PCB (nvidia or amd) and see what they can come up with.
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The reasons we're not seeing more cards like this is simple, It doesnt go with anything, they AIBs finally realised we just want monochrome, black/white/grey/silver/chrome because we can put it in any system and use RGB for any color accentuation. Every pc now is one of the following 1) anti RGB pc (like mine)-black, just black, with darkness. 2) Black with RGB-you want a black pc thats understated and doesnt glow if you leave it on while you sleep but can be a rave if you want it to. 3) White with RGB- same as last but you like it to be brighter so its white instead and the RGB makes the white surfaces whatever color you feel like. 4) Unicorn poop (name of system I built)-RGB everything with mixed colored parts, Every color you can get your hands on including black(light, maybe kitty-card would work in this case but its rare. I'd love to see GN design a card(cooler) for a reference PCB (nvidia or amd) and see what they can come up with.
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James
Yes, new manufacturer in China pops up, state backed with stolen intellectual property but it will still get sold outside of China because most countries can't figure out why it's so BAD that the Chinese govt. has worked with Chinese companies ensuring they have the data they need to outcompete with price, considering the state is helping to fund it, which is against the WTO, but the WTO won't do anything about it. There, that makes the story more complete. Well, except for one part. They actually have the intellectual property for the best quality chips, but to make it appear as if there wasn't theft, they are first releasing chips on a larger die. Just like they did with GPUs. In a couple of years they will miraculously be better than every other competitor. Or maybe 3 years.
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Yes, new manufacturer in China pops up, state backed with stolen intellectual property but it will still get sold outside of China because most countries can't figure out why it's so BAD that the Chinese govt. has worked with Chinese companies ensuring they have the data they need to outcompete with price, considering the state is helping to fund it, which is against the WTO, but the WTO won't do anything about it. There, that makes the story more complete. Well, except for one part. They actually have the intellectual property for the best quality chips, but to make it appear as if there wasn't theft, they are first releasing chips on a larger die. Just like they did with GPUs. In a couple of years they will miraculously be better than every other competitor. Or maybe 3 years.
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depth386
Man the Intel Optane thing is a real trump card for Intel even if they are behind in CPU design/fab. Back in the day the answer to all storage woes was basically to not use storage. Lots of RAM, sometimes a RAM drive, and no bloatware! Ran hit like early P2P Napster era stuff on separate older towers. I edited a large. bmp on a Pentium 2 350Mhz with 384MB RAM and I dedicated 128MB to a RAM drive just to hold the file while I worked on it. Then I did the same with a single core Pentium 4 2. 6Ghz and whoooooa that was even better. Those were the days, because doing it outside of RAM drives literally took minutes to open/save/close the files. My knowledge was gold. Today any noob can edit almost anything.
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Man the Intel Optane thing is a real trump card for Intel even if they are behind in CPU design/fab. Back in the day the answer to all storage woes was basically to not use storage. Lots of RAM, sometimes a RAM drive, and no bloatware! Ran hit like early P2P Napster era stuff on separate older towers. I edited a large. bmp on a Pentium 2 350Mhz with 384MB RAM and I dedicated 128MB to a RAM drive just to hold the file while I worked on it. Then I did the same with a single core Pentium 4 2. 6Ghz and whoooooa that was even better. Those were the days, because doing it outside of RAM drives literally took minutes to open/save/close the files. My knowledge was gold. Today any noob can edit almost anything.
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mjc0961
This is why I hate RGB products. Everyone wants to force rainbow puke by default so you have to install their bloatware to do something with it. And then you get crap like Logitech's security holes and Corsair impacting game performance. You know what's great? Buying products without RGB so you don't have to install bloatware to manage it or turn it off. Usually cheaper, too! I will give Gigabyte a little credit. My motherboard disappointed me when I turned it on and saw unwanted orange LEDs everywhere, but thankfully Gigabyte put an option in the UEFI to turn it off instead of making me install bloatware in Windows to do it.
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This is why I hate RGB products. Everyone wants to force rainbow puke by default so you have to install their bloatware to do something with it. And then you get crap like Logitech's security holes and Corsair impacting game performance. You know what's great? Buying products without RGB so you don't have to install bloatware to manage it or turn it off. Usually cheaper, too! I will give Gigabyte a little credit. My motherboard disappointed me when I turned it on and saw unwanted orange LEDs everywhere, but thankfully Gigabyte put an option in the UEFI to turn it off instead of making me install bloatware in Windows to do it.
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Ξανδρος
You know there's going to be memory IP theft with the Chinese manufacturer. It's China, it's basically their entire business model at this point. Don't give a shit about IP if it's not originally theirs, give a shit if the IP is originally theirs, and sometimes act like stolen IP is originally theirs then try to sue the stolen IP's company; best example of this I can think of is the incident with Range Rover, when the design was outright stolen, then China tried suing RR over their original design. IP issues also just get worse when the particular industry or company is backed by the government, since, y'know, China.
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You know there's going to be memory IP theft with the Chinese manufacturer. It's China, it's basically their entire business model at this point. Don't give a shit about IP if it's not originally theirs, give a shit if the IP is originally theirs, and sometimes act like stolen IP is originally theirs then try to sue the stolen IP's company; best example of this I can think of is the incident with Range Rover, when the design was outright stolen, then China tried suing RR over their original design. IP issues also just get worse when the particular industry or company is backed by the government, since, y'know, China.
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Sam
The clock rate of the 12c 65W part at 2200 MHz is really good. Intel has a 14c 85W since 2017 (xeon gold 5119t, but the base clock is only 1. 9 GHz (the 12c 85W part (silver 4116)is 2. 1 GHz. These are still only 14 nm so it really shows what's possible in power savings with going to a smaller process. I'm not really sure what to make oh AMD's processor states so I'm excited to see what the clocks on the delivered product are.
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The clock rate of the 12c 65W part at 2200 MHz is really good. Intel has a 14c 85W since 2017 (xeon gold 5119t, but the base clock is only 1. 9 GHz (the 12c 85W part (silver 4116)is 2. 1 GHz. These are still only 14 nm so it really shows what's possible in power savings with going to a smaller process. I'm not really sure what to make oh AMD's processor states so I'm excited to see what the clocks on the delivered product are.
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catsspat
I see absolutely no reason why motherboard companies can't make B550 boards with PCIe Gen4 support for the first M. 2 and the first PCIe slot, as they're coming directly from CPU and the only excuse they had for not supporting that with 300 and 400 series chipsets was that the motherboard tracing wasn't good enough to support Gen4 speeds. It'd cost a little more, but that could be a decent differentiating factor.
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I see absolutely no reason why motherboard companies can't make B550 boards with PCIe Gen4 support for the first M. 2 and the first PCIe slot, as they're coming directly from CPU and the only excuse they had for not supporting that with 300 and 400 series chipsets was that the motherboard tracing wasn't good enough to support Gen4 speeds. It'd cost a little more, but that could be a decent differentiating factor.
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Larry
I had a nice post about the meaning of watts in physical, electrical and heat, but Google won't let me post it. These guys are really going downhill. I posted it on Dissenter (this page, so if you don't already have that, I'd get it. If you think _your_ comments are going through on Youtube simply because they're visible to _you_ on _your browser, _ then I'd suggest installing Tor so you can see for yourself.
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I had a nice post about the meaning of watts in physical, electrical and heat, but Google won't let me post it. These guys are really going downhill. I posted it on Dissenter (this page, so if you don't already have that, I'd get it. If you think _your_ comments are going through on Youtube simply because they're visible to _you_ on _your browser, _ then I'd suggest installing Tor so you can see for yourself.
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Mike
Intel we saw customer demand for our 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ chips that was MUCH higher than we expected Reporter That was bad luck with it being around the AMD launches Intel Yes thats true, we saw the AMD offerings and thought we had a good idea of how many people would still buy intel chips, but to our surprise all 50 of the intel chips we made had sold in the first month after ryzen launched: )
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Intel we saw customer demand for our 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ chips that was MUCH higher than we expected Reporter That was bad luck with it being around the AMD launches Intel Yes thats true, we saw the AMD offerings and thought we had a good idea of how many people would still buy intel chips, but to our surprise all 50 of the intel chips we made had sold in the first month after ryzen launched: )
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Nathan
Is Zen+ still being produced? Presumably yes, for the Ryzen 3000 APUs? If so, are we going to see AMD promote them more heavily, as they'd get good yields and would be able to charge great prices - it could be really good for cheap office and general purpose computers which need good efficiency and multitasking performance, but not huge single-core performance.
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Is Zen+ still being produced? Presumably yes, for the Ryzen 3000 APUs? If so, are we going to see AMD promote them more heavily, as they'd get good yields and would be able to charge great prices - it could be really good for cheap office and general purpose computers which need good efficiency and multitasking performance, but not huge single-core performance.
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