Intel Arc 2023 Revisit & Benchmarks: A770 & A750 GPU Updated Tests
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Date: 2023-02-03
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Ivan
The need for so much targeted app-specific driver optimizations confirms the weak side of the Arc architecture. This GPU is pretty much a scaled-up derivative of Intel's integrated graphics solutions (developed since Haswell), and that comes with a lot of dispatch overhead and low memory sub-system utilization. These compromises necessitate all functional units in the GPU to be explicitly load-balanced for maximum occupancy, otherwise the cache and memory bandwidth cannot be fully utilized, even if only a few functional units are loaded and capable of consuming all the memory throughput. To some extent, this explains the sharp performance degradation with disabled ReBAR.
This leaves the question of how much is Intel ready to provide performance maintenance support for Arc in the future. This GPU generation is pretty much a total write-off, in the face of the stiff competition -- Intel's own GeForce FX moment.
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The need for so much targeted app-specific driver optimizations confirms the weak side of the Arc architecture. This GPU is pretty much a scaled-up derivative of Intel's integrated graphics solutions (developed since Haswell), and that comes with a lot of dispatch overhead and low memory sub-system utilization. These compromises necessitate all functional units in the GPU to be explicitly load-balanced for maximum occupancy, otherwise the cache and memory bandwidth cannot be fully utilized, even if only a few functional units are loaded and capable of consuming all the memory throughput. To some extent, this explains the sharp performance degradation with disabled ReBAR.
This leaves the question of how much is Intel ready to provide performance maintenance support for Arc in the future. This GPU generation is pretty much a total write-off, in the face of the stiff competition -- Intel's own GeForce FX moment.
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Henry
DX 9 is all important, because smart gamers will wait a few years use a better GPU at better price while waiting out the bugs and DLCs then game. Most games needing intense GPU support that can still be playable in 2022 and 2023 are all major about DX9, such as Mount and Blade versions, some sort of everlasting conquest yet surpassed even in 2023.
How can a GPU launch without DX9 support?
Also Monopoly Plus and some games requiring special driver support.
GPU market decides a lot for other aspects of market development. Looking forward to Intel doing a good job... ... at around USD 200, soaking up massive demands also mean drying out competition cash flow from GPU market, which can impede R&D when new frontier is yet maturely supported. This is a good chance. Hopefully we'd see competition to our advantage. Hee hee hee... ...
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DX 9 is all important, because smart gamers will wait a few years use a better GPU at better price while waiting out the bugs and DLCs then game. Most games needing intense GPU support that can still be playable in 2022 and 2023 are all major about DX9, such as Mount and Blade versions, some sort of everlasting conquest yet surpassed even in 2023.
How can a GPU launch without DX9 support?
Also Monopoly Plus and some games requiring special driver support.
GPU market decides a lot for other aspects of market development. Looking forward to Intel doing a good job... ... at around USD 200, soaking up massive demands also mean drying out competition cash flow from GPU market, which can impede R&D when new frontier is yet maturely supported. This is a good chance. Hopefully we'd see competition to our advantage. Hee hee hee... ...
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Antares
An European perspective:
at 319euros, the A750 is the most interesting card available right now ( i disregard the Aliexpress wonder card and the second hand, which is basically craig list on Fentalin)
The closest from that price point in a gainward 3050 and a powercolor 6600 at 339euros.
I Still think the 140euros gap for the 16Go A770 his a steep price to ask. (even if that still put the card cheaper that most 3060 and 6600). a 30-40 euros price cut would put it cheaper that a 6700 and that would be a better offer.
Nice to see intel trying their best on the mid range. Hopefully Battlemage continue in proposing a mid range offer at 300euros. (AMD and Nvidia sure wont give a F about it).
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An European perspective:
at 319euros, the A750 is the most interesting card available right now ( i disregard the Aliexpress wonder card and the second hand, which is basically craig list on Fentalin)
The closest from that price point in a gainward 3050 and a powercolor 6600 at 339euros.
I Still think the 140euros gap for the 16Go A770 his a steep price to ask. (even if that still put the card cheaper that most 3060 and 6600). a 30-40 euros price cut would put it cheaper that a 6700 and that would be a better offer.
Nice to see intel trying their best on the mid range. Hopefully Battlemage continue in proposing a mid range offer at 300euros. (AMD and Nvidia sure wont give a F about it).
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Cap
Got myself an a770 LE with my new build; the build is entirely far too overpowered for the card but the plan is to just ride it out while waiting for prices to drop on higher end models (likely via resale). Liking the card so far, ofc the software has issues including a very sketchy updating/installing period but I haven't had any shouldn't have bought issues with it. Bought it in the beginning of January. Seeing updates like this help reassure me about the purchase as well; unbelievable what kinda performance such a cheap card is kickin out for me so far.
Thanks for the vid, love to see some real performance charts.
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Got myself an a770 LE with my new build; the build is entirely far too overpowered for the card but the plan is to just ride it out while waiting for prices to drop on higher end models (likely via resale). Liking the card so far, ofc the software has issues including a very sketchy updating/installing period but I haven't had any shouldn't have bought issues with it. Bought it in the beginning of January. Seeing updates like this help reassure me about the purchase as well; unbelievable what kinda performance such a cheap card is kickin out for me so far.
Thanks for the vid, love to see some real performance charts.
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Buka
I actually bought the A750 and I'm quite happy with it. It is a great value option. (A750 1450PLN, RTX3060 2000PLN) I can max out metro exodus enchanced edition at 2560x1080 (the only game where I care about RT). I have 2 complaints so far:
1st the arc software is kinda lacking in options (for example I wish I could force 75Hz on my display as it supports it but only with freesync over hdmi and I could do that just fine on my 1060 6GB with nVidia control panel settings)
2nd the card draws around 40W while idle which seems a bit high.
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I actually bought the A750 and I'm quite happy with it. It is a great value option. (A750 1450PLN, RTX3060 2000PLN) I can max out metro exodus enchanced edition at 2560x1080 (the only game where I care about RT). I have 2 complaints so far:
1st the arc software is kinda lacking in options (for example I wish I could force 75Hz on my display as it supports it but only with freesync over hdmi and I could do that just fine on my 1060 6GB with nVidia control panel settings)
2nd the card draws around 40W while idle which seems a bit high.
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gigaherz
I wonder what the performance is in World of Warcraft. I was considering getting an A770 to replace / complement my gtx1070, cos the prices for nvidia 30xx and 40xx are ridiculous here in spain (and the equivalents from AMD are not much better). I basically play Minecraft and World of Warcraft, and in the latest expansion of WoW my gtx1070 is slightly limited in the overworld in the dragon isles (can't sustain 60fps with all settings maxed out). WoW also has a raytraced shadows options but I don't think it's worth enabling that.
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I wonder what the performance is in World of Warcraft. I was considering getting an A770 to replace / complement my gtx1070, cos the prices for nvidia 30xx and 40xx are ridiculous here in spain (and the equivalents from AMD are not much better). I basically play Minecraft and World of Warcraft, and in the latest expansion of WoW my gtx1070 is slightly limited in the overworld in the dragon isles (can't sustain 60fps with all settings maxed out). WoW also has a raytraced shadows options but I don't think it's worth enabling that.
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CLAU
YEA DEFENETLI BUT PLS DO SAM TEHE ON A AMD SISTEM .LAE WITHA SAMTING NORE NORMAL GEN AMG RYZEN 5600 .. AND DDR4 3200 . ADN THA SEME WEIT SKOT AND UPDATA DRIVERS ..CAZ IT IT DAZ NO DU DESEME .. IT IS AL BULSIUT IN A SKIT . and it thesr si cpmatibili problems wel tha it just sisi to exist at all .. i ges ter weil be more for them no!!! down ther in artatricia !! ahah ok . if this can be replcicedet on adre sitem isospos on tha ferst test tha acr sag ofical past tha gtx 1060 .. iwchi is intresing . no 20 yeas ther !!
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YEA DEFENETLI BUT PLS DO SAM TEHE ON A AMD SISTEM .LAE WITHA SAMTING NORE NORMAL GEN AMG RYZEN 5600 .. AND DDR4 3200 . ADN THA SEME WEIT SKOT AND UPDATA DRIVERS ..CAZ IT IT DAZ NO DU DESEME .. IT IS AL BULSIUT IN A SKIT . and it thesr si cpmatibili problems wel tha it just sisi to exist at all .. i ges ter weil be more for them no!!! down ther in artatricia !! ahah ok . if this can be replcicedet on adre sitem isospos on tha ferst test tha acr sag ofical past tha gtx 1060 .. iwchi is intresing . no 20 yeas ther !!
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Myroslav
Got myself an 5700 xt for 130 , couldn't be happier. Better performance than 3060 for one third of a price, and faster than used 1080ti while still being significantly cheaper. Used AMD cards are such a good value right now, and frankly always. 6700xt goes for under 300 and 6800 for around 400 . Big thanks to those who parrot than Nvidia amazing, great drivers bla-bla, which drives the price of AMD cards down.
Also, these Arc cards are nice. I would much rather get those than 3060 if I was buying new.
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Got myself an 5700 xt for 130 , couldn't be happier. Better performance than 3060 for one third of a price, and faster than used 1080ti while still being significantly cheaper. Used AMD cards are such a good value right now, and frankly always. 6700xt goes for under 300 and 6800 for around 400 . Big thanks to those who parrot than Nvidia amazing, great drivers bla-bla, which drives the price of AMD cards down.
Also, these Arc cards are nice. I would much rather get those than 3060 if I was buying new.
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Bill
I think I saw on WAN Show last week that Intel had acknowledged to LTT the software issues with Arc Control and all of that and committed to them that they were going to clean all that up soon, which is dope. I have an A770 LE in my gaming machine and it's been really stable and performed well, but to me, the software has probably been the biggest issue, (although honestly it's more of a slight annoyance than anything serious).
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I think I saw on WAN Show last week that Intel had acknowledged to LTT the software issues with Arc Control and all of that and committed to them that they were going to clean all that up soon, which is dope. I have an A770 LE in my gaming machine and it's been really stable and performed well, but to me, the software has probably been the biggest issue, (although honestly it's more of a slight annoyance than anything serious).
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Monty
As a long time ago in your vid with the dude, he said they've optimized for games that are benchmarked.... if only the games I play ran like that obviously they've just gone through and done some tweaks to that optimization for the ones that were getting destroyed by users. That said, they did also say in newer games they will kick ass at a driver level.... which is also BS. More intel trash.
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As a long time ago in your vid with the dude, he said they've optimized for games that are benchmarked.... if only the games I play ran like that obviously they've just gone through and done some tweaks to that optimization for the ones that were getting destroyed by users. That said, they did also say in newer games they will kick ass at a driver level.... which is also BS. More intel trash.
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Jesper
It's great to see them fix the performance and the steps are quite big, when they exist, they can't fix every game at the same time but are there signs of games being improved that they don't list, as a benefit of how others were fixed? and that they don't fix easy stuff and annoyanced with the software is outrageous at best... it's so easy to fix since it is all front end
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It's great to see them fix the performance and the steps are quite big, when they exist, they can't fix every game at the same time but are there signs of games being improved that they don't list, as a benefit of how others were fixed? and that they don't fix easy stuff and annoyanced with the software is outrageous at best... it's so easy to fix since it is all front end
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mo
I just bought a 6700xt for 400 Euros 2 months ago. I am happy with the card but looking at the amount of time and effort Intel puts into these cards if i had known earlier i would definetly go for the A770. Less powerful but cheaper and constant updates. i also game on 1080p so no need for 300 fps at 4k on my side. Props to Intel for making the market more competitive.
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I just bought a 6700xt for 400 Euros 2 months ago. I am happy with the card but looking at the amount of time and effort Intel puts into these cards if i had known earlier i would definetly go for the A770. Less powerful but cheaper and constant updates. i also game on 1080p so no need for 300 fps at 4k on my side. Props to Intel for making the market more competitive.
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Osa__PL
A cool idea for a video would be to benchmark just how awful the frame times and fps are on 7900 xtx with VR.
Its just awful, seems like the chiplet design that AMD have created is not really good for VR.
Its so awful that you keep getting reprojection frames (frame couldnt be rendered quick enough), sometimes like every 3rd frame, which is just awful.
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A cool idea for a video would be to benchmark just how awful the frame times and fps are on 7900 xtx with VR.
Its just awful, seems like the chiplet design that AMD have created is not really good for VR.
Its so awful that you keep getting reprojection frames (frame couldnt be rendered quick enough), sometimes like every 3rd frame, which is just awful.
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Heroic
I ve got a 3070 in my system and an rx 6800 that I can use if I want so I won t be upgrading for 3-4 years at least but seeing Intel doing good work is interesting because I m not brand biased and I use Intel cpus, I wonder if using an Intel gpu and cpu will have some performance boost like SAM, I like the idea of having same brand components
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I ve got a 3070 in my system and an rx 6800 that I can use if I want so I won t be upgrading for 3-4 years at least but seeing Intel doing good work is interesting because I m not brand biased and I use Intel cpus, I wonder if using an Intel gpu and cpu will have some performance boost like SAM, I like the idea of having same brand components
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Bleack
It's great that they're catching up, but that's why I'm not going to buy a GPU from them right now. This just gives off alpha product vibes. But it's good to know that they're improving. If they drop to the 100-200 range I'd consider buying one just to mess around with it. Otherwise I'm giving them an year or two for maturity.
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It's great that they're catching up, but that's why I'm not going to buy a GPU from them right now. This just gives off alpha product vibes. But it's good to know that they're improving. If they drop to the 100-200 range I'd consider buying one just to mess around with it. Otherwise I'm giving them an year or two for maturity.
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