Massive Intel Arc GPU Driver Update Claims 10% to 77% Gains
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Date: 2023-02-01
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George
Intel really really really wants them to buy their GPU, but for me at least, the sad truth is, even if would go and grab one right the f now, there is absolutely no way in hell that i am replacing it with my Vega 64 which runs more stable than than vibranium atoms themselves(over-exaggeration with a substance which doesn't exist but just to get the point across).
If i did i would've just have it there sit in the box until drivers get to a reasonable level, which we are from 2 to 4 years away sadly and that's not a GPU i would want to buy.
Intel needs to understand that, in order to make the cards sell, they need to drop something like 1000 people on the driver team which again isn't exactly a great financial decision either given the cost of the card.
Then there is the last thing i am mostly always concerned with, how much is their GPUs gonna last because by the time the drivers make these GPUs actually viable, will it be a worthy investment?
Nvidia is never and option for me as well not because of the cost even though of course it actually is but rather the moral of the situation, i simply deny to ever give money to this absurdly greedy company only for them to price their next product higher and higher and thus help f all gamers in the process.
Edit: Intel is doing this right now because Nvidia doesn't sell well, they are capitalizing on it, and it's a smart move.
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Intel really really really wants them to buy their GPU, but for me at least, the sad truth is, even if would go and grab one right the f now, there is absolutely no way in hell that i am replacing it with my Vega 64 which runs more stable than than vibranium atoms themselves(over-exaggeration with a substance which doesn't exist but just to get the point across).
If i did i would've just have it there sit in the box until drivers get to a reasonable level, which we are from 2 to 4 years away sadly and that's not a GPU i would want to buy.
Intel needs to understand that, in order to make the cards sell, they need to drop something like 1000 people on the driver team which again isn't exactly a great financial decision either given the cost of the card.
Then there is the last thing i am mostly always concerned with, how much is their GPUs gonna last because by the time the drivers make these GPUs actually viable, will it be a worthy investment?
Nvidia is never and option for me as well not because of the cost even though of course it actually is but rather the moral of the situation, i simply deny to ever give money to this absurdly greedy company only for them to price their next product higher and higher and thus help f all gamers in the process.
Edit: Intel is doing this right now because Nvidia doesn't sell well, they are capitalizing on it, and it's a smart move.
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Rob
As expected, Intel drivers need time to mature. They are clearly still pouring effort thus money into this project so my guess would be that they are certainly not planning on stopping with their GPU experiment at least not in the very near future. I wonder how long they will be willing to spend the money without the success that they surely hope to have with this project eventually.
I assume that within Intel there is a certain sense of urgency around their growth in the GPU and with that the massive parallel processing market. Sure they have had chips with many cores but those where x86 cores and they only had 80 or so cores and didn't really go anywhere commercially. Where as a GPU has hundreds or even thousands of units and AMD already is selling CPU's with 96 cores , something that Intel still cannot match.
So I have good hope Intel will continue to support their GPU experiment but then again there are many examples of management teams that make (in hindsight) very bad decisions causing the company to become one of those once great companies that ends up getting left behind.
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As expected, Intel drivers need time to mature. They are clearly still pouring effort thus money into this project so my guess would be that they are certainly not planning on stopping with their GPU experiment at least not in the very near future. I wonder how long they will be willing to spend the money without the success that they surely hope to have with this project eventually.
I assume that within Intel there is a certain sense of urgency around their growth in the GPU and with that the massive parallel processing market. Sure they have had chips with many cores but those where x86 cores and they only had 80 or so cores and didn't really go anywhere commercially. Where as a GPU has hundreds or even thousands of units and AMD already is selling CPU's with 96 cores , something that Intel still cannot match.
So I have good hope Intel will continue to support their GPU experiment but then again there are many examples of management teams that make (in hindsight) very bad decisions causing the company to become one of those once great companies that ends up getting left behind.
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Ivan
The need for so much targeted app-specific driver optimizations confirms the weak side of the Arc architecture. This GPU is pretty much a scaled-up derivative of Intel's integrated graphics solutions (developed since Haswell), and that comes with a lot of dispatch overhead and low memory sub-system utilization. These compromises necessitate all functional units in the GPU to be explicitly load-balanced for maximum occupancy, otherwise the cache and memory bandwidth cannot be fully utilized, even if only a few functional units are loaded and capable of consuming all the memory throughput. To some extent, this explains the sharp performance degradation with disabled ReBAR.
This leaves the question of how much is Intel ready to provide performance maintenance support for Arc in the future... or this will be another Kepler release, abandoned shortly after the next gen drops in the market.
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The need for so much targeted app-specific driver optimizations confirms the weak side of the Arc architecture. This GPU is pretty much a scaled-up derivative of Intel's integrated graphics solutions (developed since Haswell), and that comes with a lot of dispatch overhead and low memory sub-system utilization. These compromises necessitate all functional units in the GPU to be explicitly load-balanced for maximum occupancy, otherwise the cache and memory bandwidth cannot be fully utilized, even if only a few functional units are loaded and capable of consuming all the memory throughput. To some extent, this explains the sharp performance degradation with disabled ReBAR.
This leaves the question of how much is Intel ready to provide performance maintenance support for Arc in the future... or this will be another Kepler release, abandoned shortly after the next gen drops in the market.
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Rurou
I think currently Intel might be a good enough purchase if you can buy this A750 at 250. Unfortunately I can't since Intel doesn't supply their reference card in my country. So currently I can buy A750 at the same price as 6700XT. Yes, not 6600 or 6600XT, but 6700XT. I can also buy 3060 12GB at that same price. A770 is only slightly cheaper than RX6800 and about the same price iirc as 3070. For the US market, yes, A750 reference is 250 and the cheapest 6600XT on Newegg is 270, so at that price, A750 looks to be a good enough buy if you can tolerate some inconvenience from the less mature driver and software. With the improvement on old API, at least now it is okay-ish to recommend A750, especially if you can find it cheaper than 6600XT/6650XT or 3060.
edit: just for clarity, I'm in Indonesia.
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I think currently Intel might be a good enough purchase if you can buy this A750 at 250. Unfortunately I can't since Intel doesn't supply their reference card in my country. So currently I can buy A750 at the same price as 6700XT. Yes, not 6600 or 6600XT, but 6700XT. I can also buy 3060 12GB at that same price. A770 is only slightly cheaper than RX6800 and about the same price iirc as 3070. For the US market, yes, A750 reference is 250 and the cheapest 6600XT on Newegg is 270, so at that price, A750 looks to be a good enough buy if you can tolerate some inconvenience from the less mature driver and software. With the improvement on old API, at least now it is okay-ish to recommend A750, especially if you can find it cheaper than 6600XT/6650XT or 3060.
edit: just for clarity, I'm in Indonesia.
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Just
I'm glad to see Intel making improvements. I still don't plan to touch Arc right now, but they're on their way to convincing me that maybe in my next budget build... But it also really makes me wonder who the ever-loving freak was running that show? Because we all know Intel's drivers suck. It has many many years of history. If ever Intel needed to step up and pull its big pants on (in the GPU segment) THE LAUNCH WAS THAT TIME! But they didn't. Then they had from June to October to play with the A380 in the wild on real systems ... and still didn't? I'm not even seeing signs that these latest driver fixes are anything but Low Hanging Fruit. So the biggest concern I have about Arc is not the hardware, it's the firmware! How dedicated is Intel?
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I'm glad to see Intel making improvements. I still don't plan to touch Arc right now, but they're on their way to convincing me that maybe in my next budget build... But it also really makes me wonder who the ever-loving freak was running that show? Because we all know Intel's drivers suck. It has many many years of history. If ever Intel needed to step up and pull its big pants on (in the GPU segment) THE LAUNCH WAS THAT TIME! But they didn't. Then they had from June to October to play with the A380 in the wild on real systems ... and still didn't? I'm not even seeing signs that these latest driver fixes are anything but Low Hanging Fruit. So the biggest concern I have about Arc is not the hardware, it's the firmware! How dedicated is Intel?
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Christian
I'm a little conflicted on Intel comparing the performance uplift to their original launch drivers.
On one side I can see that a lot of people probably haven't kept up on driver updates since, so showing original launch is going to be probably the most relevant for a lot of people. But I believe they already had a major uplift for older DirectX games when they switched to using DirectX to Vulcan translation. So my guess is performance uplift from those drivers to now will be a fair bit less.
Unless I misremembering and they actually had not implemented that translation yet but had talked about it
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I'm a little conflicted on Intel comparing the performance uplift to their original launch drivers.
On one side I can see that a lot of people probably haven't kept up on driver updates since, so showing original launch is going to be probably the most relevant for a lot of people. But I believe they already had a major uplift for older DirectX games when they switched to using DirectX to Vulcan translation. So my guess is performance uplift from those drivers to now will be a fair bit less.
Unless I misremembering and they actually had not implemented that translation yet but had talked about it
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Empyrus
Price cut? Interesting. Budget GPU options are so badly lacking. Was checking prices recently, and RTX 2060s are still like 300 or higher, the same as when my brother got one few years ago. I do wonder if local retailers will bother to cut prices though, i'm cynical enough to think they'll just pocket the difference...
And if the other user experience and interface issues in Intel's drivers are fixed, i'm extremely interested in the Arc GPUs as i'm thinking of building a new PC, with very limited budged (still harvesting parts like PSU and memory from my current PC though).
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Price cut? Interesting. Budget GPU options are so badly lacking. Was checking prices recently, and RTX 2060s are still like 300 or higher, the same as when my brother got one few years ago. I do wonder if local retailers will bother to cut prices though, i'm cynical enough to think they'll just pocket the difference...
And if the other user experience and interface issues in Intel's drivers are fixed, i'm extremely interested in the Arc GPUs as i'm thinking of building a new PC, with very limited budged (still harvesting parts like PSU and memory from my current PC though).
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George
I am so sick of Ngreedia and lAmeMD. They are too damn greedy for their own good. I'm not an Intel fan and have seen the days when they were just as evil as the other two. However, I would love to see them come back and beat the crap out of the other two assholes!
Damn straight I will absolutely buy Intel GPUs this time. Oh, and Intel, make sure and give your driver team a huge raise, they deserve it and most likely they are going to save your company!! Much respect!
Steve and crew, thank you, and great work as always!
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I am so sick of Ngreedia and lAmeMD. They are too damn greedy for their own good. I'm not an Intel fan and have seen the days when they were just as evil as the other two. However, I would love to see them come back and beat the crap out of the other two assholes!
Damn straight I will absolutely buy Intel GPUs this time. Oh, and Intel, make sure and give your driver team a huge raise, they deserve it and most likely they are going to save your company!! Much respect!
Steve and crew, thank you, and great work as always!
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sermerlin1
ain't nothing gets me going like seeing companies dedicating their developer cycle to actually improving their products... And I hope intel doesn't give up but actually keeps on improving their future products with the next generations of their GPUs and by third or fourth generation... They actually might be mighty competitive with nvidia/AMD.
If intel continues developing on their GPU driver, optimizing and improving its efficiency.... It may very well secure future users...
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ain't nothing gets me going like seeing companies dedicating their developer cycle to actually improving their products... And I hope intel doesn't give up but actually keeps on improving their future products with the next generations of their GPUs and by third or fourth generation... They actually might be mighty competitive with nvidia/AMD.
If intel continues developing on their GPU driver, optimizing and improving its efficiency.... It may very well secure future users...
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Kurt
I bought an A770 a few months ago and I have been very happy with it and I'm excited to see new driver releases smoothing over the deficiencies. For my average workloads - transcoding is superior to NVenc, gaming feels twice as fast as the 2060 it replaced and outside of a few bugs, like a green tinting on the right edge of videos transcoded from H.265 to H.265, it is running exceptionally well, especially since it brings 500 performance class to a 350 product.
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I bought an A770 a few months ago and I have been very happy with it and I'm excited to see new driver releases smoothing over the deficiencies. For my average workloads - transcoding is superior to NVenc, gaming feels twice as fast as the 2060 it replaced and outside of a few bugs, like a green tinting on the right edge of videos transcoded from H.265 to H.265, it is running exceptionally well, especially since it brings 500 performance class to a 350 product.
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Plasmaburndeath
So I finally found that AMD is no longer using Crossfire - which I wish they were, it would give work around punch to counter the 4090's of the world- Nvidia doesn't do SLI anymore. So ARC/Intel if you're listening, please come up with some SLI/Crossfire like thing with your cards. I have a feeling they would be more attractive if priced correctly to pull off more advanced performance with less, as you get going.
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So I finally found that AMD is no longer using Crossfire - which I wish they were, it would give work around punch to counter the 4090's of the world- Nvidia doesn't do SLI anymore. So ARC/Intel if you're listening, please come up with some SLI/Crossfire like thing with your cards. I have a feeling they would be more attractive if priced correctly to pull off more advanced performance with less, as you get going.
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Castor
Meh. For me, this video misses the mark. Since when does GN, who basically preach to never trust first party data, a video only praising first party data? If these are real gains, great, props to intel for sorting things out. But not what I was expecting when I clicked the video. (Note: I have no idea when that driver actually releases, and the content will only be relevant once the driver is there)
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Meh. For me, this video misses the mark. Since when does GN, who basically preach to never trust first party data, a video only praising first party data? If these are real gains, great, props to intel for sorting things out. But not what I was expecting when I clicked the video. (Note: I have no idea when that driver actually releases, and the content will only be relevant once the driver is there)
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Michael
I bought an A750 about a month ago and honestly... other than the driver issues, once I had the previous driver (version 4032) it ran.... great. Other than a few old games, I have had no issues with the games I play and... it's WAY faster than the GTX1060 i was holding on to. While I would have loved an AMD card, the price difference here in Canada wasn't worth it and I'm glad I'm trying an ARC
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I bought an A750 about a month ago and honestly... other than the driver issues, once I had the previous driver (version 4032) it ran.... great. Other than a few old games, I have had no issues with the games I play and... it's WAY faster than the GTX1060 i was holding on to. While I would have loved an AMD card, the price difference here in Canada wasn't worth it and I'm glad I'm trying an ARC
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Andrew
They say this new driver will have significant improvements, but their figures compare against launch drivers. In the meantime, they have already released one driver with big improvements for DX9 games. In other words, these figures are in part showing big performance gains that users already got a month or two ago; they don't actually show the true gains expected from the new driver coming out
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They say this new driver will have significant improvements, but their figures compare against launch drivers. In the meantime, they have already released one driver with big improvements for DX9 games. In other words, these figures are in part showing big performance gains that users already got a month or two ago; they don't actually show the true gains expected from the new driver coming out
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David
I've been happy with the A770 using Handbrake and Topaz Video AI etc, (though Topaz is buggy as hell atm, not the fault of the GPU) for just over a month now, I've even gamed on it a couple of times. It's been solid. I'll look forward to your benchmarks. Since intel only shows gaming graphs I doubt you'll touch on productivity but I'd certainly be interested if you do.
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I've been happy with the A770 using Handbrake and Topaz Video AI etc, (though Topaz is buggy as hell atm, not the fault of the GPU) for just over a month now, I've even gamed on it a couple of times. It's been solid. I'll look forward to your benchmarks. Since intel only shows gaming graphs I doubt you'll touch on productivity but I'd certainly be interested if you do.
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