HW News - If a 7600X3D Existed (Discussion), Mining Boards Quietly Rebranded, Folding Keyboard
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Also it would negate alot of the slight downsides the 7600X has such as slightly worse read/write etc times on its mem controler same mem speeds.
It just makes me sad we cant have nice things because profit, it would draw away from their bottom line , i miss finding hidden Gems like that.
And im not even talking about costs , Sometimes just running less cores because you dont need them at all even idling brings down your whole heat generation enough to produce higher sustainable results in a situation where more cores does nothing for performance.
Date: 2023-03-10
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Eric
Here is the fun part about TPM 2.0. If you have an older system, and you don't have a TPM 2.0 add on board, the only thing that Windows Updater will tell you is that you can't update to Windows 11 because you don't have TPM 2.0. If you then go your board manufacturer to try to get an add on board -- you will find that none of the distributors they have linked actually carry any because scalpers bought them all out. So then you go to e-bay and buy one because enough time has passed that the scalpers have realized that nobody actually gave a crap about updating to Windows 11, and are now stuck with a surplus of worthless boards that they are now selling at fire-sale prices, and you buy one. Once you install it, the Windows Updater will then tell you that in fact, the reason you can't upgrade isn't because of your lack of TPM 2.0, but because your board is so old that your CPU is not on the supported CPU list.
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Here is the fun part about TPM 2.0. If you have an older system, and you don't have a TPM 2.0 add on board, the only thing that Windows Updater will tell you is that you can't update to Windows 11 because you don't have TPM 2.0. If you then go your board manufacturer to try to get an add on board -- you will find that none of the distributors they have linked actually carry any because scalpers bought them all out. So then you go to e-bay and buy one because enough time has passed that the scalpers have realized that nobody actually gave a crap about updating to Windows 11, and are now stuck with a surplus of worthless boards that they are now selling at fire-sale prices, and you buy one. Once you install it, the Windows Updater will then tell you that in fact, the reason you can't upgrade isn't because of your lack of TPM 2.0, but because your board is so old that your CPU is not on the supported CPU list.
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Chris
As of my knowledge cutoff date of September 2021, AMD had not officially announced the release of the Ryzen 7000x3d processor. It is common for tech companies to keep upcoming product releases confidential until they are ready to make an announcement.
However, it is worth noting that developing and testing new processors can be a time-consuming and complex process. Even after a processor has been developed, companies may delay its release in order to make sure that it is fully tested and reliable before making it available to consumers.
It is also possible that AMD may be waiting for other factors, such as market demand or production capacity, to be more favorable before releasing a new processor. However, without official statements from AMD, it is difficult to know the specific reasons why they have not yet released the Ryzen 7000x3d processor, if indeed it exists.
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As of my knowledge cutoff date of September 2021, AMD had not officially announced the release of the Ryzen 7000x3d processor. It is common for tech companies to keep upcoming product releases confidential until they are ready to make an announcement.
However, it is worth noting that developing and testing new processors can be a time-consuming and complex process. Even after a processor has been developed, companies may delay its release in order to make sure that it is fully tested and reliable before making it available to consumers.
It is also possible that AMD may be waiting for other factors, such as market demand or production capacity, to be more favorable before releasing a new processor. However, without official statements from AMD, it is difficult to know the specific reasons why they have not yet released the Ryzen 7000x3d processor, if indeed it exists.
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denvera1g1
21:16 Steve, i've got about 300 machines that have an unsupported processor, but when you look at system info you see that TPM 2.0 and secure boot is active, our oldest machines with TPM 2.0 are some HP Elite Desk 800G3(i cant remember off hand if they're i7-6700 or 7700)
The blacklist of processors for windows 11 have not been a problem for us because we use Microsoft System Center Configuration Center(now MECM) and it just does not check to see if the device, or i should say, all of our devices are compatible with all requirements, except for the CPU models, but to test, i recently deployed a machine temporarily that had an i5-650 with 1GB of RAM, it didnt care.
We have machines bought from major vendors as recent as mid 2020 that dont have a supported processor(2400GE), but still have TPM 2.0
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21:16 Steve, i've got about 300 machines that have an unsupported processor, but when you look at system info you see that TPM 2.0 and secure boot is active, our oldest machines with TPM 2.0 are some HP Elite Desk 800G3(i cant remember off hand if they're i7-6700 or 7700)
The blacklist of processors for windows 11 have not been a problem for us because we use Microsoft System Center Configuration Center(now MECM) and it just does not check to see if the device, or i should say, all of our devices are compatible with all requirements, except for the CPU models, but to test, i recently deployed a machine temporarily that had an i5-650 with 1GB of RAM, it didnt care.
We have machines bought from major vendors as recent as mid 2020 that dont have a supported processor(2400GE), but still have TPM 2.0
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FellTheSky
It would be nice if the 7600x3d existed.
But, if you look into the market, the people who actually uses this type of CPU doesn't really care about the 100 us extra.
Because it's usually people that do expend that little bit extra to get higher frame rates. (Being RAM, 240hz monitors, good periphericals, etc). The competitive gamer kind of thing (warzone, pubg, apex, maybe fornite, etc).
Also, If that happened, what would be the case of the existance of the 7600x? It already doesn't make sense as it get's is ass kicked by both the 13600k on performance and the 7600 non X in value.
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It would be nice if the 7600x3d existed.
But, if you look into the market, the people who actually uses this type of CPU doesn't really care about the 100 us extra.
Because it's usually people that do expend that little bit extra to get higher frame rates. (Being RAM, 240hz monitors, good periphericals, etc). The competitive gamer kind of thing (warzone, pubg, apex, maybe fornite, etc).
Also, If that happened, what would be the case of the existance of the 7600x? It already doesn't make sense as it get's is ass kicked by both the 13600k on performance and the 7600 non X in value.
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Mike
It seems like 8 physical cores would be a good minimum though for a gaming CPU in 2023. I know 6 will do ok but it would be hard to justify a 7600X3D unless it is super cheap or you don t plan keeping it for years. I m thinking as games target the Xbox Series X/S and the PS5 they should scale better across eight cores given that s what those systems have and hence should also do better across PCs with the same number of cores. I realize there are other factors but eight becomes the new minimum for game developers.
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It seems like 8 physical cores would be a good minimum though for a gaming CPU in 2023. I know 6 will do ok but it would be hard to justify a 7600X3D unless it is super cheap or you don t plan keeping it for years. I m thinking as games target the Xbox Series X/S and the PS5 they should scale better across eight cores given that s what those systems have and hence should also do better across PCs with the same number of cores. I realize there are other factors but eight becomes the new minimum for game developers.
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Julian
Its obvious that GPU sales are bad when amd and nvidia are doing a price hike of 80% and expect that Users (no companys or miners here to take that part) should pay for it instead of reducing the price. People are so not turned on by this that even with artificial scarcity, cards are ready to be shipped in multiple online stores. Im just waiting for news that nvidia is destroying those goods instead of paying for storage expenses.
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Its obvious that GPU sales are bad when amd and nvidia are doing a price hike of 80% and expect that Users (no companys or miners here to take that part) should pay for it instead of reducing the price. People are so not turned on by this that even with artificial scarcity, cards are ready to be shipped in multiple online stores. Im just waiting for news that nvidia is destroying those goods instead of paying for storage expenses.
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Algis-kun
a 7600X3D would put the 7800X3D into that irrelevant spot most x800 ryzen chips have fallen into where it is too expensive for what its worth and only become viable after price cuts.
I 7600x3D would be a late launch before the next gen releases.... Otherwise, AMD will push you towards a 7800X3D instead.... Single CCD, 8 cores, 16 threads and the extra cache. and probably will last longer than a 7600X3D.
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a 7600X3D would put the 7800X3D into that irrelevant spot most x800 ryzen chips have fallen into where it is too expensive for what its worth and only become viable after price cuts.
I 7600x3D would be a late launch before the next gen releases.... Otherwise, AMD will push you towards a 7800X3D instead.... Single CCD, 8 cores, 16 threads and the extra cache. and probably will last longer than a 7600X3D.
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Bad
Honestly, if AMD really wanted to win the budget builder market. They would bundle an 7600x3d with an 150 dollar B650M motherboard, and 16 gb of DDR5 4800 ram. Bundled up together for 450 dollars.
If they did a partnership with micro center to do a deal like that. Then they would sweep the low end. Since it would then be possible to make a 600 dollar Ryzen 7000 build that can game.
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Honestly, if AMD really wanted to win the budget builder market. They would bundle an 7600x3d with an 150 dollar B650M motherboard, and 16 gb of DDR5 4800 ram. Bundled up together for 450 dollars.
If they did a partnership with micro center to do a deal like that. Then they would sweep the low end. Since it would then be possible to make a 600 dollar Ryzen 7000 build that can game.
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Guardian
Been playing with 7950x3d last few days, and be honest it's just not worth disable cores. Maybe few instances you ll get great increase, for the most part it performs better with all.core
In games, only 3d cores working anyway, like other almost completely parked and they all boost juts fine.
Games I play I have not noticed any significant changes in 1440p on 4090
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Been playing with 7950x3d last few days, and be honest it's just not worth disable cores. Maybe few instances you ll get great increase, for the most part it performs better with all.core
In games, only 3d cores working anyway, like other almost completely parked and they all boost juts fine.
Games I play I have not noticed any significant changes in 1440p on 4090
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Theodoros
AMD should shift some (maybe a lot) production from non X3D 76/77XX processors.
Q4-2023 would be a good time to launch a 7600X3D, at around 300 (no more since it won't be brand new tech).
Add the slowly appearing cheaper AM5 motherboards and the fact that X3Ds aren't too dependent on super fast DDR5.... it will look good for AMD to gain a greater market share.
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AMD should shift some (maybe a lot) production from non X3D 76/77XX processors.
Q4-2023 would be a good time to launch a 7600X3D, at around 300 (no more since it won't be brand new tech).
Add the slowly appearing cheaper AM5 motherboards and the fact that X3Ds aren't too dependent on super fast DDR5.... it will look good for AMD to gain a greater market share.
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rare
I think the lineup probably should have been exactly that, a 7800X3D and a 7600X3D, given the cache primarily gives a performance boost to games over other types of applications.
The 7600X3D would probably have ended making any other CPU look irrelevant (for most games) and undercutting their entire product lineup
Shame as I would like to have seen one.
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I think the lineup probably should have been exactly that, a 7800X3D and a 7600X3D, given the cache primarily gives a performance boost to games over other types of applications.
The 7600X3D would probably have ended making any other CPU look irrelevant (for most games) and undercutting their entire product lineup
Shame as I would like to have seen one.
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Thunder
You do gain some little performance on a IGPU as the 3Dcache is use more often the more you have and that process will free some performance toward the RAM use by the iGPU but I imagine you gonna need lot more cache for that to be significant. increasing cache for the iGPU might not even have so much benefits as increasing 3Dcache on the CPU.
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You do gain some little performance on a IGPU as the 3Dcache is use more often the more you have and that process will free some performance toward the RAM use by the iGPU but I imagine you gonna need lot more cache for that to be significant. increasing cache for the iGPU might not even have so much benefits as increasing 3Dcache on the CPU.
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Matt
Thank you Steve!
I like my normal quite logitech K800, I don't need a clacky loud rainbow keyboard with no battery life. I used to have a logictic bluetooth mouse with like 10 month battery. My kid bought me a G502X and now, I have RGB and like 8 hours of battery on my mouse and a pop can blocks the dongle signal. Yay! :(
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Thank you Steve!
I like my normal quite logitech K800, I don't need a clacky loud rainbow keyboard with no battery life. I used to have a logictic bluetooth mouse with like 10 month battery. My kid bought me a G502X and now, I have RGB and like 8 hours of battery on my mouse and a pop can blocks the dongle signal. Yay! :(
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Duglum666
too bad that g.skill only sells kits with at least four sticks as it looks like. I get that those are targeted at Sapphire Rapids platforms, but i'd LOVE to have 2x16GB or 2x32GB in my normal system, since my AM5 board and CPU support ECC afaik. Finally having real ECC AND decent speed on the desktop would be SO nice.
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too bad that g.skill only sells kits with at least four sticks as it looks like. I get that those are targeted at Sapphire Rapids platforms, but i'd LOVE to have 2x16GB or 2x32GB in my normal system, since my AM5 board and CPU support ECC afaik. Finally having real ECC AND decent speed on the desktop would be SO nice.
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