HW News - New Alienware R16 PC, AMD RX 7800 XT GPU & Intel A580 Leaks, More Mini PCs
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Date: 2023-08-11
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GamerNerd71
Alienware is an example of why we dont want massive corporate houses that have become the bane of our society. Alienware as a small independant company was customer friendly and their products really stood apart. I keep saying to western consumers that massive corporations doesnt care about any of the stuff they say including their customer. They are promtoing all the environmental concern to improve their ESG score. Which in itself is a big scam! When you understand how corporations have destroyed competitiveness and the free market, all other idiocies you see in our society today starts to make sense.
Let me be really clear - the computer parts we buy today are designed to become landfills as fast as possible. They want us consumers keep buying the latest and greatest and ignore the ecological disaster this is becoming. Corporates invented Forced obsolesence and unwanted consumerism. It is my experience that everytime I buy a new computer part, I am spending money on stuff that is built to become obsolete as fast as possible which typically is the warranty period. Trust me, I have been around from the time of the intel 486.
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Alienware is an example of why we dont want massive corporate houses that have become the bane of our society. Alienware as a small independant company was customer friendly and their products really stood apart. I keep saying to western consumers that massive corporations doesnt care about any of the stuff they say including their customer. They are promtoing all the environmental concern to improve their ESG score. Which in itself is a big scam! When you understand how corporations have destroyed competitiveness and the free market, all other idiocies you see in our society today starts to make sense.
Let me be really clear - the computer parts we buy today are designed to become landfills as fast as possible. They want us consumers keep buying the latest and greatest and ignore the ecological disaster this is becoming. Corporates invented Forced obsolesence and unwanted consumerism. It is my experience that everytime I buy a new computer part, I am spending money on stuff that is built to become obsolete as fast as possible which typically is the warranty period. Trust me, I have been around from the time of the intel 486.
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itech
Dell is such a large company. I really do wish they cared more about repairability and getting replacement parts. it's not something they used to do. Back in the 90's and early 2k's before i started building my own computers both dell and gateway used to give you great cases with modular parts. I mean the cases were often better than what you could buy. Not sure if you remember that. It really is a waste. Those of us that build our own pc are still using the same psu or case from 10 years ago. I buy Noctua too for the same reason, and yes i think Noctua is totally worth the money. It's just like Corsair psu, i get a new cable when some standard changes for 20 dollars. Ok the computer is square now, fine great. Keep going.
Sorry just like with apple, and integrated batteries you're right. we all know what they are doing it's just gross. Every time you do a Noctua video (I'm sure it hard) because you basically buy it once ever 20 years, who cares if it cost a little more. You are saving a ton of money. I think that's interesting and you can keep telling that story.
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Dell is such a large company. I really do wish they cared more about repairability and getting replacement parts. it's not something they used to do. Back in the 90's and early 2k's before i started building my own computers both dell and gateway used to give you great cases with modular parts. I mean the cases were often better than what you could buy. Not sure if you remember that. It really is a waste. Those of us that build our own pc are still using the same psu or case from 10 years ago. I buy Noctua too for the same reason, and yes i think Noctua is totally worth the money. It's just like Corsair psu, i get a new cable when some standard changes for 20 dollars. Ok the computer is square now, fine great. Keep going.
Sorry just like with apple, and integrated batteries you're right. we all know what they are doing it's just gross. Every time you do a Noctua video (I'm sure it hard) because you basically buy it once ever 20 years, who cares if it cost a little more. You are saving a ton of money. I think that's interesting and you can keep telling that story.
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Vertigo1055
Just a couple Takes - The Alienware PC is still mostly E-Waste. There's still way too much Propriatory Hardware in there which makes upgrading or transfering parts imossible leading to Literal Tonnes (as in millions of tonnage) E-Waste and this breaks my soul as to why any company would want to do this. I get setting up a Recycling Platform for a Propriatory Design(s) would initially cost a lot of money in specialized tooling for said Company but it would pay itself back. As long as Dell and Alienware have been making the Proprietory Designs they could have been in a Profitable Position by now. Next - Yeah I remember the PCMCIA Cards and the One thing I wish would have taken off far better as a Standard used more often is the MXM Platform. The MXM has gone through a few revisions and it has only gotten better. It also provides paths of upgrading. It also provides a size that makes Small Form Factor (SFF) PCs far easier to design and build. Had it taken off well we'd have mass cooling solutions ranging from Air to Water.
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Just a couple Takes - The Alienware PC is still mostly E-Waste. There's still way too much Propriatory Hardware in there which makes upgrading or transfering parts imossible leading to Literal Tonnes (as in millions of tonnage) E-Waste and this breaks my soul as to why any company would want to do this. I get setting up a Recycling Platform for a Propriatory Design(s) would initially cost a lot of money in specialized tooling for said Company but it would pay itself back. As long as Dell and Alienware have been making the Proprietory Designs they could have been in a Profitable Position by now. Next - Yeah I remember the PCMCIA Cards and the One thing I wish would have taken off far better as a Standard used more often is the MXM Platform. The MXM has gone through a few revisions and it has only gotten better. It also provides paths of upgrading. It also provides a size that makes Small Form Factor (SFF) PCs far easier to design and build. Had it taken off well we'd have mass cooling solutions ranging from Air to Water.
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Francis
Ok, let us be honest, if 16 lanes is overkill, halving that to 8 means that the other 8 pcie lanes can go idle. That does make a difference in power consumption. Even (and especially when) idle.
I was rather interested in an Intel GPU, except that 200W+ is far too much to my liking and the A380 simply wasn't enough of an improvement (to put it mildly) to be interesting. Had hopes for the A60 model, but then my favorite store put up an RX 6600 for sale at 40 euro off plus Starfield included for free. Sometimes, sometimes it's safe to say sold! On the other hand the Iris Xe graphics on my laptop is perfectly fine for light gaming; sure can't put max/ultra settings on with decent frame rates... but in general compatibility has brought no issues.
I wish Minisforum were to built 90's pizzabox cases. And yeah, do include room for a blue ray disc drive. Come on.
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Ok, let us be honest, if 16 lanes is overkill, halving that to 8 means that the other 8 pcie lanes can go idle. That does make a difference in power consumption. Even (and especially when) idle.
I was rather interested in an Intel GPU, except that 200W+ is far too much to my liking and the A380 simply wasn't enough of an improvement (to put it mildly) to be interesting. Had hopes for the A60 model, but then my favorite store put up an RX 6600 for sale at 40 euro off plus Starfield included for free. Sometimes, sometimes it's safe to say sold! On the other hand the Iris Xe graphics on my laptop is perfectly fine for light gaming; sure can't put max/ultra settings on with decent frame rates... but in general compatibility has brought no issues.
I wish Minisforum were to built 90's pizzabox cases. And yeah, do include room for a blue ray disc drive. Come on.
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WarkWarbly
What's even worse is when people decide to take these boards and refurbish them, maybe change the BIOS/UEFI to something like CoreBoot or OpenSIL, Dell/Alienware would absolutely cook the offending party .
No, there's no instance of this occuring (at least not publicly) but companies like Dell love to be litigious against people who would revive their older products- that's the generalized perception anyway.
If there were laws protecting individuals and small businesses who were in the field of repair and revival ( withOUT infringing in IP) of these boards then it would make sense they have actual environmental concerns.
I agree that its at best complete hypocrisy and at worst a complete lie that Dell (or any of these PC OEMs) do anything of real benefit for the environment.
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What's even worse is when people decide to take these boards and refurbish them, maybe change the BIOS/UEFI to something like CoreBoot or OpenSIL, Dell/Alienware would absolutely cook the offending party .
No, there's no instance of this occuring (at least not publicly) but companies like Dell love to be litigious against people who would revive their older products- that's the generalized perception anyway.
If there were laws protecting individuals and small businesses who were in the field of repair and revival ( withOUT infringing in IP) of these boards then it would make sense they have actual environmental concerns.
I agree that its at best complete hypocrisy and at worst a complete lie that Dell (or any of these PC OEMs) do anything of real benefit for the environment.
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ReivecS
I think the proprietary front io makes sense, even from an environmental perspective. Cables come loose in shipping and if a average user gets a system that doesn t power on because a cable came loose, that return has a carbon footprint. If issues come up later from the cables and techs are sent, that also has a footprint. Further very few normal users are upgrading a case or board. I feel like the trade offs here may favor Dell. If they do a redesign of it later I would like to see it be a daughter board with maybe a proprietary cable locking solution that allows for some sort of adapter for standard boards. They may be a compromise but I would guess they did the custom board route to reduce shipping issues causing service calls and returns.
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I think the proprietary front io makes sense, even from an environmental perspective. Cables come loose in shipping and if a average user gets a system that doesn t power on because a cable came loose, that return has a carbon footprint. If issues come up later from the cables and techs are sent, that also has a footprint. Further very few normal users are upgrading a case or board. I feel like the trade offs here may favor Dell. If they do a redesign of it later I would like to see it be a daughter board with maybe a proprietary cable locking solution that allows for some sort of adapter for standard boards. They may be a compromise but I would guess they did the custom board route to reduce shipping issues causing service calls and returns.
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Alan
The proprietary motherboards in their desktops is definitely something that shoots Dell in the foot in terms of their proclaimed friendliness to the environment. It means you either have to case mod yourself a front panel when you'll inevitably want to upgrade, or you just junk the whole system. The changes they have made are somewhat positive, and I hope it pays dividends in testing, but this seems like the one hill they want to die on. No, Dell, this isn't going to make people come to you for support, this is going to make people like me recommend a different manufacturer to friends who don't want to learn to build and maintain their own system, but still want something powerful and backed by a warranty.
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The proprietary motherboards in their desktops is definitely something that shoots Dell in the foot in terms of their proclaimed friendliness to the environment. It means you either have to case mod yourself a front panel when you'll inevitably want to upgrade, or you just junk the whole system. The changes they have made are somewhat positive, and I hope it pays dividends in testing, but this seems like the one hill they want to die on. No, Dell, this isn't going to make people come to you for support, this is going to make people like me recommend a different manufacturer to friends who don't want to learn to build and maintain their own system, but still want something powerful and backed by a warranty.
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Jacob
20:38 nice PCIE arrangement ASRock. That x1 slot will TOTALLY be usable. You do realize there are some people who understand a 40 dollar SoundBlaster mops the floor with integrated Realtek garbage and a slew of those USB headsets right? You can expect more bass from a newborn infants chest than you can the alc897 codec. God I hate motherboard manufacturers. Can we remove Realtek LAN too? It's trash. It literally took them until like 3 months ago to FINALLY release a LAN driver that can achieve above 512 receiver buffers. 500 and effing 12. How many years has intel allowed you to set that number to 4096 for both receive and transmit? Over a decade, perhaps longer. Realtek is a joke. Get them out.
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20:38 nice PCIE arrangement ASRock. That x1 slot will TOTALLY be usable. You do realize there are some people who understand a 40 dollar SoundBlaster mops the floor with integrated Realtek garbage and a slew of those USB headsets right? You can expect more bass from a newborn infants chest than you can the alc897 codec. God I hate motherboard manufacturers. Can we remove Realtek LAN too? It's trash. It literally took them until like 3 months ago to FINALLY release a LAN driver that can achieve above 512 receiver buffers. 500 and effing 12. How many years has intel allowed you to set that number to 4096 for both receive and transmit? Over a decade, perhaps longer. Realtek is a joke. Get them out.
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AussieTime!
I am not sure why anyone would buy an Alienware machine regardless of this new designed case/airflow. The reason most people purchased an Alienware PC ( a few years ago) was it was fast and bottom-line looked cool and different. It was a talking point. Go back in time and look at the older Alienware cases they are super cool looking and for the time fast machines cutting into Dells market before Dell picked them up. These big corporation bean counters don't get it and in my mind they should just close down the Alienware line and sell normal dell pcs since that is what they are.
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I am not sure why anyone would buy an Alienware machine regardless of this new designed case/airflow. The reason most people purchased an Alienware PC ( a few years ago) was it was fast and bottom-line looked cool and different. It was a talking point. Go back in time and look at the older Alienware cases they are super cool looking and for the time fast machines cutting into Dells market before Dell picked them up. These big corporation bean counters don't get it and in my mind they should just close down the Alienware line and sell normal dell pcs since that is what they are.
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Some
Handhelds. I would love to see one in the formfactor of the OLD kids toys of pacmac and donkeykong. They were little arcade machines more or less with a hooded screen where the hood doubled as the carry handle. They were very robust designs. It could have a flip keyboard and a joystick port. If you want to go crazy make one based on the zaxxon machine. That thing was gigantic and could support a lot of portable power. Maybe that is the market portable gaming. Laptops just seem such a compromise but a little arcade styled box that was focussed on games only would be cool.
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Handhelds. I would love to see one in the formfactor of the OLD kids toys of pacmac and donkeykong. They were little arcade machines more or less with a hooded screen where the hood doubled as the carry handle. They were very robust designs. It could have a flip keyboard and a joystick port. If you want to go crazy make one based on the zaxxon machine. That thing was gigantic and could support a lot of portable power. Maybe that is the market portable gaming. Laptops just seem such a compromise but a little arcade styled box that was focussed on games only would be cool.
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Ilya
Okay, listen. I am a scientist and I study vacuum-arc deposition of coatings. Let's imagine that there is a video card with a capacity of 1000 watts. This monster must be powered by 12V. The current flowing through the wires will be 80A. The cathode arc I am using runs at 24V and 80A. And the wire that powers it is 12mm (1/2 ) thick. So when I hear any rumors about new top-end graphics cards, I have a question. HOW THE F CK DO YOU THINK POWERING THIS? And how do you basically expect ordinary users to be able to connect everything correctly and not burn anything?
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Okay, listen. I am a scientist and I study vacuum-arc deposition of coatings. Let's imagine that there is a video card with a capacity of 1000 watts. This monster must be powered by 12V. The current flowing through the wires will be 80A. The cathode arc I am using runs at 24V and 80A. And the wire that powers it is 12mm (1/2 ) thick. So when I hear any rumors about new top-end graphics cards, I have a question. HOW THE F CK DO YOU THINK POWERING THIS? And how do you basically expect ordinary users to be able to connect everything correctly and not burn anything?
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MechAdv1022
If the 7800 XT cannot beat the 6800 XT in price to performance at its current price of 500 and change, then they re gonna have another sales flop. Considering that the 7800 XT looks to be fully enabled N32 die, that means that it only has the same amount of compute units as the 6800, which is 20% cut down from the 6800 XT. We know that RDNA3 is not 20% faster than RDNA2 with the same CU count, so that means it could potentially be a performance downgrade. The way I see it, if they try to sell this card for more than 500 bucks it s dead.
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If the 7800 XT cannot beat the 6800 XT in price to performance at its current price of 500 and change, then they re gonna have another sales flop. Considering that the 7800 XT looks to be fully enabled N32 die, that means that it only has the same amount of compute units as the 6800, which is 20% cut down from the 6800 XT. We know that RDNA3 is not 20% faster than RDNA2 with the same CU count, so that means it could potentially be a performance downgrade. The way I see it, if they try to sell this card for more than 500 bucks it s dead.
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itech
It is truly amazing how long Alienware has been getting away with poor thermals, pcs not hitting base specs, and overpricing. It really is not hard to make a PC not overheat. Fans oriented correctly with decent airflow and an adequate cooler for the CPU is all Dell (and other prebuilt companies) seems to need. It must be intentional at this point, you see that your i9-12900 system isn't performing well so you go and buy their new 4000 13900 pc. I doubt owners of Alienware systems even know that their PCs are overheating.
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It is truly amazing how long Alienware has been getting away with poor thermals, pcs not hitting base specs, and overpricing. It really is not hard to make a PC not overheat. Fans oriented correctly with decent airflow and an adequate cooler for the CPU is all Dell (and other prebuilt companies) seems to need. It must be intentional at this point, you see that your i9-12900 system isn't performing well so you go and buy their new 4000 13900 pc. I doubt owners of Alienware systems even know that their PCs are overheating.
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Reveral
Dont worry about waste from a Dell computers. We buying used Dell computers that other companies want to throw out for upgrade, and that is because of their standardized (Dell standardized) format which we can buy in masses, used. Then we modifying their cases, using their motherboards and processors to make a shooting simulators for shooting ranges, hunters, and all that. So if Dell are not intending on minimizing the waste, Dont you worry, we do it for them, and there is other businesses like ours.
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Dont worry about waste from a Dell computers. We buying used Dell computers that other companies want to throw out for upgrade, and that is because of their standardized (Dell standardized) format which we can buy in masses, used. Then we modifying their cases, using their motherboards and processors to make a shooting simulators for shooting ranges, hunters, and all that. So if Dell are not intending on minimizing the waste, Dont you worry, we do it for them, and there is other businesses like ours.
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Aotearas
There's a lot that can go wrong with the 7800 XT reveal/launch. Specswise it looks on par with the RX 6800 (non-XT). I'm honestly surprised to see this newly leaked card get the XT suffix because it really only looks like a 6800 updated to RDNA3, not a 6800 XT. This card's only hope for a positive reception would be a very low price, because if they want to price this at the x800 XT bracket it's going to get the same reception as what Nvidia has gotten with them basically uptiering their GPUs.
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There's a lot that can go wrong with the 7800 XT reveal/launch. Specswise it looks on par with the RX 6800 (non-XT). I'm honestly surprised to see this newly leaked card get the XT suffix because it really only looks like a 6800 updated to RDNA3, not a 6800 XT. This card's only hope for a positive reception would be a very low price, because if they want to price this at the x800 XT bracket it's going to get the same reception as what Nvidia has gotten with them basically uptiering their GPUs.
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Why
Ha, I had an idea for a GPU with a vertical PCB. But I'm sure the idea is the easy part...
Timestamp's a bit off in the optical PCIe part. I think limits on simple trace lengths became more strict with each generation but I'm not sure I got that correctly. Either way there might be a time where even people building a PC need to choose between the super-short super-fast electrical connections, slower electrical connections, or fast optical connections with increased latency from the translation.
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Ha, I had an idea for a GPU with a vertical PCB. But I'm sure the idea is the easy part...
Timestamp's a bit off in the optical PCIe part. I think limits on simple trace lengths became more strict with each generation but I'm not sure I got that correctly. Either way there might be a time where even people building a PC need to choose between the super-short super-fast electrical connections, slower electrical connections, or fast optical connections with increased latency from the translation.
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Some
Alienware board solution! Put the board in the microwave on LOW for 11 minutes. Then bring it out and GENTLY hold it in a benchvise. Take a plumbing torch, the BLUE BOTTLE PEOPLE! NOT YELLOW!! And heat the line between the edge of the main part of the board and and Dingus Island. Heat it until the resin breaks down and bend it back 90 degrees or 180 degrees if you need the clearance. Rebuild the board resin with hot glue. Done! DIY!
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Alienware board solution! Put the board in the microwave on LOW for 11 minutes. Then bring it out and GENTLY hold it in a benchvise. Take a plumbing torch, the BLUE BOTTLE PEOPLE! NOT YELLOW!! And heat the line between the edge of the main part of the board and and Dingus Island. Heat it until the resin breaks down and bend it back 90 degrees or 180 degrees if you need the clearance. Rebuild the board resin with hot glue. Done! DIY!
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infinitytec
About Dell proprietary motherboards, for a lot of their systems it doesn't matter. For example, their business systems. They are easy to maintain and, if you are trying to keep them running forever, they sell so many systems that used parts are abundant. For business use case, this makes a lot of sense. For anything else, not so much. Alienware should switch to standard components.
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About Dell proprietary motherboards, for a lot of their systems it doesn't matter. For example, their business systems. They are easy to maintain and, if you are trying to keep them running forever, they sell so many systems that used parts are abundant. For business use case, this makes a lot of sense. For anything else, not so much. Alienware should switch to standard components.
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RelucentSandman
I am very excited about battlemage, all they have to do is make it stable and good value. It was so upsetting that they wasted so much resources on XeSS and ray tracing instead of proper dx9 support, and that they also delayed the release so long they missed the GPU shortage window. Just so many missed opportunities because they thought they could do everything all at once.
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I am very excited about battlemage, all they have to do is make it stable and good value. It was so upsetting that they wasted so much resources on XeSS and ray tracing instead of proper dx9 support, and that they also delayed the release so long they missed the GPU shortage window. Just so many missed opportunities because they thought they could do everything all at once.
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Just
PCMCIA!
Bingo!
My first internet experience involved a PCMCIA 3COM 28.8 dial-up modem with pig-tail on my Mom's work computer. I would dial-up to her office to get on the internet and now that I think about it, I did some questionable things through that work connection that would raise concerns from my employer today if my kids did the same. Good time.
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PCMCIA!
Bingo!
My first internet experience involved a PCMCIA 3COM 28.8 dial-up modem with pig-tail on my Mom's work computer. I would dial-up to her office to get on the internet and now that I think about it, I did some questionable things through that work connection that would raise concerns from my employer today if my kids did the same. Good time.
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