HW News - Linus Tech Tips' Terrible Response, ESMC, & Starfield x AMD GPUs
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Date: 2023-08-15
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man99helm99
I can t believe what s happening here. Linus made mistakes. Yes but the way to point attention to it isn t too cherry pick quotes and not read his statement in its entirety. As someone who has studied mechanical engineering, there is no perfect testing. There is always biased, and the only thing you can do is account for it. That s why there s a specific equation we use to account for bias in calculations. If this was really about solving things, they should ve made a video saying that they ve noticed some problems and they would like to resolve them with LMG and left the invitation open for them to have a chance. That s how the scientific community and the engineering community works. You point out some errors then you talk with them if they re willing about the methodology and whether or not they agree there were errors and you go from there.
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I can t believe what s happening here. Linus made mistakes. Yes but the way to point attention to it isn t too cherry pick quotes and not read his statement in its entirety. As someone who has studied mechanical engineering, there is no perfect testing. There is always biased, and the only thing you can do is account for it. That s why there s a specific equation we use to account for bias in calculations. If this was really about solving things, they should ve made a video saying that they ve noticed some problems and they would like to resolve them with LMG and left the invitation open for them to have a chance. That s how the scientific community and the engineering community works. You point out some errors then you talk with them if they re willing about the methodology and whether or not they agree there were errors and you go from there.
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Wind
LOL, I just hope LTT can learn from this at multiple levels. Improve quality, and even more importantly, take responsibility and don't fall into the lazy path of blaming others or gas lighting.
FYI, on the 500 waste of time... I work at a top 3 tech company. We have meetings for an hour... and every hour is at least 100 per person. So that 8 person meeting was probably 1000 (not including prep time, and task switching overhead). It's reality. For a 100M company, to use the excuse we'd have to spend 100- 500 more in effort is pure spin, especially when you consider that investing in that work is what is expected of a company in that role--unless they just want to be entertainment.
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LOL, I just hope LTT can learn from this at multiple levels. Improve quality, and even more importantly, take responsibility and don't fall into the lazy path of blaming others or gas lighting.
FYI, on the 500 waste of time... I work at a top 3 tech company. We have meetings for an hour... and every hour is at least 100 per person. So that 8 person meeting was probably 1000 (not including prep time, and task switching overhead). It's reality. For a 100M company, to use the excuse we'd have to spend 100- 500 more in effort is pure spin, especially when you consider that investing in that work is what is expected of a company in that role--unless they just want to be entertainment.
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itech
Linus painted himself into a corner. That release schedule is beyond insane, whoever is demanding that clearly wants AI-generated deepfake content and does not understand how reputable videos are made. So homeboy is in a time crunch, he knows he has to respond, he likely feels the sting of being told that he's not doing a good job, so he's lashing out.
Thing is, he's not a teenager anymore, he can't do that and still be the leader of a company. Well, all right, he _could,_ but not without lying or misrepresenting his reputation.
This is one of those things where either they bow out or they crash, and if homeboy doesn't get his ego under control, it's gonna be a crash.
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Linus painted himself into a corner. That release schedule is beyond insane, whoever is demanding that clearly wants AI-generated deepfake content and does not understand how reputable videos are made. So homeboy is in a time crunch, he knows he has to respond, he likely feels the sting of being told that he's not doing a good job, so he's lashing out.
Thing is, he's not a teenager anymore, he can't do that and still be the leader of a company. Well, all right, he _could,_ but not without lying or misrepresenting his reputation.
This is one of those things where either they bow out or they crash, and if homeboy doesn't get his ego under control, it's gonna be a crash.
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Aqua7625
If you're wanting to be legitimate tech journalists, you absolutely have to reach out . Period. It's standard fairness procedure for institutions like the BBC and the Washington Post. Hell, it's part of the Ofcom Broadcasting Code (section 7, fairness) in the UK. It's much more than just a courtesy. It does not matter if the response is anticipated to be bizarre ; it is crucial to the quality of the criticism to let the community hear direct feedback from those being criticized, as that response will either 1) inform legitimate issues with the criticism that will help make the piece more truthful, or 2) highlight the legitimacy of the criticism.
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If you're wanting to be legitimate tech journalists, you absolutely have to reach out . Period. It's standard fairness procedure for institutions like the BBC and the Washington Post. Hell, it's part of the Ofcom Broadcasting Code (section 7, fairness) in the UK. It's much more than just a courtesy. It does not matter if the response is anticipated to be bizarre ; it is crucial to the quality of the criticism to let the community hear direct feedback from those being criticized, as that response will either 1) inform legitimate issues with the criticism that will help make the piece more truthful, or 2) highlight the legitimacy of the criticism.
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Talanta
What I found most amusing was the WAN show clip when Linus said he didnt want to pay few hundred dollars so his employee could do a proper job and make a fair test of the product. So Linus spends millions on his lab equipment and yet he cant spend few hundred dollars to pay the staff to use it. It just makes it difficult to trust anything that comes out of the labs since they are always in a rush and the boss might not feel like paying for the proper amount of time to test a product.
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What I found most amusing was the WAN show clip when Linus said he didnt want to pay few hundred dollars so his employee could do a proper job and make a fair test of the product. So Linus spends millions on his lab equipment and yet he cant spend few hundred dollars to pay the staff to use it. It just makes it difficult to trust anything that comes out of the labs since they are always in a rush and the boss might not feel like paying for the proper amount of time to test a product.
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Efrain
REIMBURSEMENT WAS AGREED TO AFTER VIDEO PUBLICATION.
_That_ was something very important that Linus should've added. Mix in the fact that Linus basically hand-waved the reimbursement when asked, it was clear that this was done only to have _anything_ to respond to GN with. If Linus actually cared about the situation, he'd have the details about the resolution instead of just practically saying I told my team to make them go away .
... I'm unsubbing from LTT.
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REIMBURSEMENT WAS AGREED TO AFTER VIDEO PUBLICATION.
_That_ was something very important that Linus should've added. Mix in the fact that Linus basically hand-waved the reimbursement when asked, it was clear that this was done only to have _anything_ to respond to GN with. If Linus actually cared about the situation, he'd have the details about the resolution instead of just practically saying I told my team to make them go away .
... I'm unsubbing from LTT.
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LIVE
This is just tragic for Linus Tech Tips. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels that their integrity has been ruined after yesterday's video and them not accepting responsibilities. For me personally, I just lost respect for him and his company. He could have just admitted he was wrong and move forward being better in the future but he decided to double down.
Keep up the good work SteveI love your passion for electronics and being real with it.
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This is just tragic for Linus Tech Tips. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels that their integrity has been ruined after yesterday's video and them not accepting responsibilities. For me personally, I just lost respect for him and his company. He could have just admitted he was wrong and move forward being better in the future but he decided to double down.
Keep up the good work SteveI love your passion for electronics and being real with it.
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toufusoup
I think it s extra insulting that LTT just decided to bury it in a forum and openly admits to not wanting to give this a lot of attention by saying they won t even give it the light of day on the WAN show. All while trying to plan to emotions by expressing disappointment like, what? I don t think you really get to be disappointed here, if anything you ve just disappointed a WHOLE lot more people with that horrendous response.
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I think it s extra insulting that LTT just decided to bury it in a forum and openly admits to not wanting to give this a lot of attention by saying they won t even give it the light of day on the WAN show. All while trying to plan to emotions by expressing disappointment like, what? I don t think you really get to be disappointed here, if anything you ve just disappointed a WHOLE lot more people with that horrendous response.
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KByte
Never expect Linus to apologize properly.
Remember the DarkViperAU situation in WAN Show? Even after Linus admitting that he was wrong about the whole situation, he FORCED DarkViper to agree to one of his (Linus') point. It was so stinky to watch, because by the end of it DarkViper just gives him the most unenthusiastic agreement to shut Linus up.
Sad to see that because of 1 person, the whole company's image is affected.
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Never expect Linus to apologize properly.
Remember the DarkViperAU situation in WAN Show? Even after Linus admitting that he was wrong about the whole situation, he FORCED DarkViper to agree to one of his (Linus') point. It was so stinky to watch, because by the end of it DarkViper just gives him the most unenthusiastic agreement to shut Linus up.
Sad to see that because of 1 person, the whole company's image is affected.
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gosuprime
Only Linus could scam the engineers of a waterblock, sell it in an auction after it was requested to be returned twice, and then use that charity sale as a tax deduction, and claim to be the victim. Of course that last part is speculation on my part but still, good people don't scam smaller companies and make ha ha, your product sucks videos about it after installing it on the wrong card, and then discarding their work.
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Only Linus could scam the engineers of a waterblock, sell it in an auction after it was requested to be returned twice, and then use that charity sale as a tax deduction, and claim to be the victim. Of course that last part is speculation on my part but still, good people don't scam smaller companies and make ha ha, your product sucks videos about it after installing it on the wrong card, and then discarding their work.
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Dr.
What you did was the best thing that could happen to LTT: you summarized their many points of failure in QA and identified trends in the lack of quality from an outside perspective. Any of this was public before your video. You just summarized it to compacted feedback. Best thing LTT can do is absorb this valuable feedback, work on it and improve. No big deal. Dismissing such constructive feedback is just child-ish though.
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What you did was the best thing that could happen to LTT: you summarized their many points of failure in QA and identified trends in the lack of quality from an outside perspective. Any of this was public before your video. You just summarized it to compacted feedback. Best thing LTT can do is absorb this valuable feedback, work on it and improve. No big deal. Dismissing such constructive feedback is just child-ish though.
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Sean
The issue really is a lack of oversight. LMG, at the end of the day, needs an independent editorial board(or whatever you want to call it) that can reel in this kind of behavior. You can no longer shoot from the hip when you become a big boy company. This is a common occurrence when companies transition from being a small businesses to an actual commercial enterprise. The growing pains are real
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The issue really is a lack of oversight. LMG, at the end of the day, needs an independent editorial board(or whatever you want to call it) that can reel in this kind of behavior. You can no longer shoot from the hip when you become a big boy company. This is a common occurrence when companies transition from being a small businesses to an actual commercial enterprise. The growing pains are real
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John
I kindda knew he'd do this... Started with the 3080ti's defense and excuses which felt so out of touch to the rest of the community. Afterwards I've always noticed their apologies were not genuine and often had excuses lowkey blaming others for their mistakes. I don't think we'll ever be able to get a proper apology from him sadly. He was the dude that got me into this hobby...
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I kindda knew he'd do this... Started with the 3080ti's defense and excuses which felt so out of touch to the rest of the community. Afterwards I've always noticed their apologies were not genuine and often had excuses lowkey blaming others for their mistakes. I don't think we'll ever be able to get a proper apology from him sadly. He was the dude that got me into this hobby...
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neQualle
While you are no doubt correct about calling things out that have to be you are reading parts of the response with so much bad faith that it borders on being malicious. Nothing wrong about pointing out the problems with the response, no need to go an extra mile to try and make it even worse than it is - especially if you are in the right to begin with
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While you are no doubt correct about calling things out that have to be you are reading parts of the response with so much bad faith that it borders on being malicious. Nothing wrong about pointing out the problems with the response, no need to go an extra mile to try and make it even worse than it is - especially if you are in the right to begin with
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Jake
Linus has really been letting the mask slip lately. He used to describe himself as a not well liked, abrasive nerd in high school and it really seems he has not changed.
Still think WAN show is his biggest continual blunder. Can t keep his mouth shut or think through things rationally live, and he comes off as whiny and entitled.
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Linus has really been letting the mask slip lately. He used to describe himself as a not well liked, abrasive nerd in high school and it really seems he has not changed.
Still think WAN show is his biggest continual blunder. Can t keep his mouth shut or think through things rationally live, and he comes off as whiny and entitled.
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Sev'er
Thank for all the fantastic work the GN crew end up doing. Even the unpleasant work of breaking down obfuscated / muddled / failed testing methodology of tech groups that chose to chase trends and sponsorships over repeatability and transparency. It's important for reproducibility, accuracy, and general ethics standards.
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Thank for all the fantastic work the GN crew end up doing. Even the unpleasant work of breaking down obfuscated / muddled / failed testing methodology of tech groups that chose to chase trends and sponsorships over repeatability and transparency. It's important for reproducibility, accuracy, and general ethics standards.
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Devvvin
If you make a video about a supercar, put diesel gas in it when it needs another type, then say it sucks and there's no point in fixing the mistake cause it's still a super car... Ya, you may be right, it's a dumb purchase, but it's my purchase to make and now I'm making a purchase based off wildly inaccurate info.
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If you make a video about a supercar, put diesel gas in it when it needs another type, then say it sucks and there's no point in fixing the mistake cause it's still a super car... Ya, you may be right, it's a dumb purchase, but it's my purchase to make and now I'm making a purchase based off wildly inaccurate info.
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Tom
I was reading Linus's comment today and I was so frustrated. As a long time LTT fan I've been extremely disappointed. No idea GN would even respond to that since Linus added nothing of value and only made bunch of dumb excuses. Big thanks to Steve and the GN team for caring and for their constructive criticism.
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I was reading Linus's comment today and I was so frustrated. As a long time LTT fan I've been extremely disappointed. No idea GN would even respond to that since Linus added nothing of value and only made bunch of dumb excuses. Big thanks to Steve and the GN team for caring and for their constructive criticism.
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VicarBrador
1:20 I read the whole post. Unhinged unapologetic and rant are not the words I would use to describe it. Linus was defensive but he did apologize to Billet Labs and he did take some responsibility for the situation. It was not a good response overall but let s not paint Linus as a super villain.
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1:20 I read the whole post. Unhinged unapologetic and rant are not the words I would use to describe it. Linus was defensive but he did apologize to Billet Labs and he did take some responsibility for the situation. It was not a good response overall but let s not paint Linus as a super villain.
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turbidmist
What happened, I used to be excited to watch Linus content and now I just avoid it all together. I don't find LTT content entertaining anymore and they make a lot of mistakes and it seems like they don't care and they just come up with excuses or they play the blame game. Such a shame.
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What happened, I used to be excited to watch Linus content and now I just avoid it all together. I don't find LTT content entertaining anymore and they make a lot of mistakes and it seems like they don't care and they just come up with excuses or they play the blame game. Such a shame.
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