HW News - NVIDIA & AMD Might Be Making Arm CPUs, Threadripper 7985WX Leaks, RTX 4080v2 Leaks
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Date: 2023-10-30
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cldpt
want to stress that Apple's Rosetta 2 and Valve's Proton are very different: yes, they do translation and are translation layers for somewhat low-level API calls, but Proton is a much higher-level, as it targets mostly Linux-based graphics and OS API calls with a focus on DirectX (which as we know is tightly coupled with Windows, even if the Xbox does not run full Windows and still leverages DirectX), while Apple's Rosetta is mostly for accommodating ARCHITECTURE-heterogenic calls across ARM-based x86 instruction set calls (and yes, it likely also does some OS API translation since MacOs for ARM is not MacOs for x86, despite having analogous versions released by Apple).
A better analogy to what Apple does with Rosetta (on Linux mostly, but not JUST) would be QEMU, KVM and even Intel/AMD-specific tech such as Vt-d, Vt-x, SVM etc. This are virtualization and paravirtualization technologies which allow, these days, somewhat seamless, but highly impactful (performance-wise) use of e.g. ARM on x86 and vice-versa.
In short, what I'm trying to say is that we're a long way to getting Rosetta 2-like behavior on ARM computers running Windows, or for apps originally made for x86 Windows just werk in an ARM processor. It will be a while before they even run with decent translation layers that hit heavily on performance, let alone reducing that performance impact and make them usable as competition to Apple Silicon running their old MacOs stuff . Especially because Rosetta 2 was just meant as a transition layer, and Apple just has this tight grip on application developers for their OS which is forcing them to just build targetting both x86 and ARM, and now to start focusing on ARM since x86 will eventually stop being supported altogether on the Apple garden.
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want to stress that Apple's Rosetta 2 and Valve's Proton are very different: yes, they do translation and are translation layers for somewhat low-level API calls, but Proton is a much higher-level, as it targets mostly Linux-based graphics and OS API calls with a focus on DirectX (which as we know is tightly coupled with Windows, even if the Xbox does not run full Windows and still leverages DirectX), while Apple's Rosetta is mostly for accommodating ARCHITECTURE-heterogenic calls across ARM-based x86 instruction set calls (and yes, it likely also does some OS API translation since MacOs for ARM is not MacOs for x86, despite having analogous versions released by Apple).
A better analogy to what Apple does with Rosetta (on Linux mostly, but not JUST) would be QEMU, KVM and even Intel/AMD-specific tech such as Vt-d, Vt-x, SVM etc. This are virtualization and paravirtualization technologies which allow, these days, somewhat seamless, but highly impactful (performance-wise) use of e.g. ARM on x86 and vice-versa.
In short, what I'm trying to say is that we're a long way to getting Rosetta 2-like behavior on ARM computers running Windows, or for apps originally made for x86 Windows just werk in an ARM processor. It will be a while before they even run with decent translation layers that hit heavily on performance, let alone reducing that performance impact and make them usable as competition to Apple Silicon running their old MacOs stuff . Especially because Rosetta 2 was just meant as a transition layer, and Apple just has this tight grip on application developers for their OS which is forcing them to just build targetting both x86 and ARM, and now to start focusing on ARM since x86 will eventually stop being supported altogether on the Apple garden.
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Floppa
Personally, I'm not yet convinced that the ARM instruction set by itself is a silver bullet that makes everything more efficient. Of course Apple gets great results but keep in mind they also always use the latest TSMC Node available and give their CPU cores plenty of cache. Also when you compare for example a really modern x86 SoC like the Ryzen Z1 with an Apple M2 the gap closes significantly.
With that being said, I think the great thing with ARM in general is that it allows for way more innovation since there will be more than 2 companies that can sell these chips. I'm just really afraid that Windows and its huge Software stack is absolutely not yet ready for this multi instruction set world we are moving towards!
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Personally, I'm not yet convinced that the ARM instruction set by itself is a silver bullet that makes everything more efficient. Of course Apple gets great results but keep in mind they also always use the latest TSMC Node available and give their CPU cores plenty of cache. Also when you compare for example a really modern x86 SoC like the Ryzen Z1 with an Apple M2 the gap closes significantly.
With that being said, I think the great thing with ARM in general is that it allows for way more innovation since there will be more than 2 companies that can sell these chips. I'm just really afraid that Windows and its huge Software stack is absolutely not yet ready for this multi instruction set world we are moving towards!
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Joel
If Intel put their minds to it, they could be extremely competitve with ARM for PCs.
Before you scoff, remember, Intel already has an ARM license AND they have major exclusivity with X86 IP. They, unlike anyone else, except perhaps AMD, could legally insert extensive hardware level X86 emulation in their ARM offerings and offer compatibilty levels with the vast ocean of X86 only software that no one else could. Sips power like ARM, but will run almost anything software you want. Hard to beat that. And fab their own designs.
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If Intel put their minds to it, they could be extremely competitve with ARM for PCs.
Before you scoff, remember, Intel already has an ARM license AND they have major exclusivity with X86 IP. They, unlike anyone else, except perhaps AMD, could legally insert extensive hardware level X86 emulation in their ARM offerings and offer compatibilty levels with the vast ocean of X86 only software that no one else could. Sips power like ARM, but will run almost anything software you want. Hard to beat that. And fab their own designs.
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Tuchulu
So i was wondering I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask.
If you plot the frame times of a game in a graph, X axis for frame time, Y axes for % of frames during that benchmark, does it follow the standard deviation curve? or is it kind of a bumpy mess depending on the game and how often it stutters?
Thanks in advance!
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So i was wondering I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask.
If you plot the frame times of a game in a graph, X axis for frame time, Y axes for % of frames during that benchmark, does it follow the standard deviation curve? or is it kind of a bumpy mess depending on the game and how often it stutters?
Thanks in advance!
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Dhruv
It would have been better if the industry decided to adopt RISC-V as the next big architecture for the consumer market, rather than ARM, since RISC-V is an open standard and it wouldn't have been beholden to any one company, it eventually probably would've resulted in cheaper overall prices for CPUs as well.
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It would have been better if the industry decided to adopt RISC-V as the next big architecture for the consumer market, rather than ARM, since RISC-V is an open standard and it wouldn't have been beholden to any one company, it eventually probably would've resulted in cheaper overall prices for CPUs as well.
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duke605
Istg if the 4080v2 rumours are true im pissed. I built my first computer during the 20 series and got ripped on then, then upgraded during the 40 series and got ripped off again. If they put out a 4080 with the same price but better specs I'm... well I'm already pissed but god DAMN!!
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Istg if the 4080v2 rumours are true im pissed. I built my first computer during the 20 series and got ripped on then, then upgraded during the 40 series and got ripped off again. If they put out a 4080 with the same price but better specs I'm... well I'm already pissed but god DAMN!!
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Nico
I think an ARM laptop would be great for me as a webdeveloper. Many programs I use have already an ARM version because ARM has been in the server market for some time.
Geekbench 6 multi-core is a useless metric for high core count CPUs. Geekbench 5 scaled much better.
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I think an ARM laptop would be great for me as a webdeveloper. Many programs I use have already an ARM version because ARM has been in the server market for some time.
Geekbench 6 multi-core is a useless metric for high core count CPUs. Geekbench 5 scaled much better.
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Droned
This generation of GPU pricing is sheer madness as it is and here comes Nvidia all like Hold my beer A 4080 Super is not needed and even more unnecessary when you consider how retard Nvidia will be when pricing the card lol
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This generation of GPU pricing is sheer madness as it is and here comes Nvidia all like Hold my beer A 4080 Super is not needed and even more unnecessary when you consider how retard Nvidia will be when pricing the card lol
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odizzido
ARM is neat, but I would much rather see effort put towards making a better OS. Windows gets worse every year and while I did try linux for a year or so I just couldn't get my one game from 99 to work properly.
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ARM is neat, but I would much rather see effort put towards making a better OS. Windows gets worse every year and while I did try linux for a year or so I just couldn't get my one game from 99 to work properly.
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AG
No way in hell Nvidia upgrades the 4080 to 20GB along with a bump in core count AND keeps the price the same. This will be a 2080 vs 2080 Super situation at most. Nvidia has zero incentive to compete any harder.
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No way in hell Nvidia upgrades the 4080 to 20GB along with a bump in core count AND keeps the price the same. This will be a 2080 vs 2080 Super situation at most. Nvidia has zero incentive to compete any harder.
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Peppi
The first time i have heard about arm and especially when i compared how arm works to x86. I asked myself why doesn't everyone use arm? It is so much simpler, and better but maybe i overlooked something
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The first time i have heard about arm and especially when i compared how arm works to x86. I asked myself why doesn't everyone use arm? It is so much simpler, and better but maybe i overlooked something
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Dr
I am desperately waiting for an ARM-based Windows tablet. I do have a gaming laptop but would prefer a fanless, slim, power-efficient notebook/tablet device for office tasks. No celerons, please.
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I am desperately waiting for an ARM-based Windows tablet. I do have a gaming laptop but would prefer a fanless, slim, power-efficient notebook/tablet device for office tasks. No celerons, please.
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Tony
Resident Evil Village For iPhone 15 Pro Offers PC-Like Graphics Settings With MetalFX Upscaling; Can Maintain 60FPS At Full HD+ Resolution
On a phone. On battery. M3 release this evening.
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Resident Evil Village For iPhone 15 Pro Offers PC-Like Graphics Settings With MetalFX Upscaling; Can Maintain 60FPS At Full HD+ Resolution
On a phone. On battery. M3 release this evening.
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Tony
Resident Evil Village For iPhone 15 Pro Offers PC-Like Graphics Settings With MetalFX Upscaling; Can Maintain 60FPS At Full HD+ Resolution On a phone. On battery. M3 release this evening.
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Resident Evil Village For iPhone 15 Pro Offers PC-Like Graphics Settings With MetalFX Upscaling; Can Maintain 60FPS At Full HD+ Resolution On a phone. On battery. M3 release this evening.
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Nick
I don't think buying a CCP Chip would be smart. We're already being spied on and to have another country spying on us is just toooo muchhh spyinggg! Help us please, stop spying on us.
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I don't think buying a CCP Chip would be smart. We're already being spied on and to have another country spying on us is just toooo muchhh spyinggg! Help us please, stop spying on us.
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Raymond
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The letter X just as the hexagon is a two dimensional version of a three-dimensional cube, again I suggest the letter G to define the giddy excitement we all feel in our bellies.
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