Cooler Master's Super Conductor Heatsink, New NR200P Case Concept, & Clever ITX
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Date: 2024-06-07
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shaneeslick
G'day Steve,
CoolerMaster has always been popular for affordable cooling down (at least my go to) here in Australia, nearly all my AIOs, fans & PSUs are CoolerMaster as they are good quality, relatively quiet & priced well, as an example currently along with DeepCool the 2 cheapest Recognised Name AIO brands quite often under $100AUD for 240mm while ASSTek based models above $150AUD some like Corsair & NZXT even above $200AUD for 240mm.
Besides this another reason I love CoolerMaster AIOs is you can Mod them quite easily like the one I have in my Overkill XP PC that is now a ML240mm 120mm cooling i7-2700K & GTX780Ti (with EKWB), a Seidon 120mm converted to 92mm Clear Tubing in a Retro HP Pavilion M-ATX for C2Q9650 4GHz & a Nepton 280mm with no radiator to run Ice water direct from my Esky on my i7-3770K testbench.
I have a few of their older cases for Retro PCs including a N300 KKN2 HAF LAN Box XB EVO but went off them as my go to (now DeepCool Smarter for ODD or Antec NX200 for ARGB) after as you found the Airflow & Build Quality dropped off in many designs.
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G'day Steve,
CoolerMaster has always been popular for affordable cooling down (at least my go to) here in Australia, nearly all my AIOs, fans & PSUs are CoolerMaster as they are good quality, relatively quiet & priced well, as an example currently along with DeepCool the 2 cheapest Recognised Name AIO brands quite often under $100AUD for 240mm while ASSTek based models above $150AUD some like Corsair & NZXT even above $200AUD for 240mm.
Besides this another reason I love CoolerMaster AIOs is you can Mod them quite easily like the one I have in my Overkill XP PC that is now a ML240mm 120mm cooling i7-2700K & GTX780Ti (with EKWB), a Seidon 120mm converted to 92mm Clear Tubing in a Retro HP Pavilion M-ATX for C2Q9650 4GHz & a Nepton 280mm with no radiator to run Ice water direct from my Esky on my i7-3770K testbench.
I have a few of their older cases for Retro PCs including a N300 KKN2 HAF LAN Box XB EVO but went off them as my go to (now DeepCool Smarter for ODD or Antec NX200 for ARGB) after as you found the Airflow & Build Quality dropped off in many designs.
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stinkycheese804
It continues to seem insane to me to care SO much about not seeing wires, that people will pay more than just a premium to hide or eliminate them. If it's your hobby doing extra fancy display PCs, then whatever makes you happy is most important, and we all (waste) spend money on our hobbies and others won't appreciate the importance of doing so to extremes, yet when I see someone build with overpriced components that don't make much difference, all so they can put their PC out on display where it's mostly in the way, taking up space that could better be used for other things, I have to remember to hide my true feeling so I don't offend the person by letting them know that I think they had a mental vacation from sanity. This from someone who has built, and sold back in the day, many more than my share of PCs.
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It continues to seem insane to me to care SO much about not seeing wires, that people will pay more than just a premium to hide or eliminate them. If it's your hobby doing extra fancy display PCs, then whatever makes you happy is most important, and we all (waste) spend money on our hobbies and others won't appreciate the importance of doing so to extremes, yet when I see someone build with overpriced components that don't make much difference, all so they can put their PC out on display where it's mostly in the way, taking up space that could better be used for other things, I have to remember to hide my true feeling so I don't offend the person by letting them know that I think they had a mental vacation from sanity. This from someone who has built, and sold back in the day, many more than my share of PCs.
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EthanLeitch
Thank you for the video!
Could you please elaborate more on the phone cooling statement I don't understand how lower temperatures would improve battery life (except in the case of a battery getting extremely hot).
My understanding is that the hotter the SoC gets the more it throttles, and the less power it uses, but I'd like to learn more if that's not the whole story.
A use case for a cooler like that for me would be using my Motorola Edge 30 Ultra with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 which throttles and drops the frame rate in AAA android games like Grid Autosport when the frame rate is unlocked, or in heavy emulation such as PS2 after a few minutes.
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Thank you for the video!
Could you please elaborate more on the phone cooling statement I don't understand how lower temperatures would improve battery life (except in the case of a battery getting extremely hot).
My understanding is that the hotter the SoC gets the more it throttles, and the less power it uses, but I'd like to learn more if that's not the whole story.
A use case for a cooler like that for me would be using my Motorola Edge 30 Ultra with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 which throttles and drops the frame rate in AAA android games like Grid Autosport when the frame rate is unlocked, or in heavy emulation such as PS2 after a few minutes.
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Roobotics
9:30 I've never been a fan of the idea that half the GFX cards do this, just throwing air at the PCIe-slot and motherboard just to suck it back up again. I had an ITX build and the GPU that did this had absolutely abysmal temps compared to a higher TDP one that was simply pushing all hot air out the back of the case. I honestly think the only reason they do it, is because they fill up the I/O side and paint themselves into a corner where it's useless to try and vent from there anymore.. it requires the GPU to basically have a 'support fan' to help it actually evacuate it's hot air, hence bad design.
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9:30 I've never been a fan of the idea that half the GFX cards do this, just throwing air at the PCIe-slot and motherboard just to suck it back up again. I had an ITX build and the GPU that did this had absolutely abysmal temps compared to a higher TDP one that was simply pushing all hot air out the back of the case. I honestly think the only reason they do it, is because they fill up the I/O side and paint themselves into a corner where it's useless to try and vent from there anymore.. it requires the GPU to basically have a 'support fan' to help it actually evacuate it's hot air, hence bad design.
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Stevo_1998
16:02 to be fair, if your someone like me (who likes to not buy a new phone every 6 months), managing heat is 100% the key to making a phone last a long time
Battery gets hot Slowly kills off the battery
CPU/GPU/RAM gets hot Slowly kills the silicon
Speaking of killing the battery in a phone - although it's absolute pain because of how big batteries are now - slow charging them (Like 5W - 10W) will make them last _wayyyyyyyy_ longer than using fast charge. You basically destroy the battery every time it fast charges...
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16:02 to be fair, if your someone like me (who likes to not buy a new phone every 6 months), managing heat is 100% the key to making a phone last a long time
Battery gets hot Slowly kills off the battery
CPU/GPU/RAM gets hot Slowly kills the silicon
Speaking of killing the battery in a phone - although it's absolute pain because of how big batteries are now - slow charging them (Like 5W - 10W) will make them last _wayyyyyyyy_ longer than using fast charge. You basically destroy the battery every time it fast charges...
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lagrangemechanics
It that phone cooling thingy is TEC, any thing you may gain for reducing power leakage from lower temperature should be dwarfed by the efficiency of the TEC itself.
Also I'm not sure if the change in power leakage with respect to temperature is necessarily similar between desktop and mobile processors. It may be that mobile processors, being mainly ARM based (or just with a different power envelope with its design in general), don't necessarily share the same power characteristics with their desktop counterparts.
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It that phone cooling thingy is TEC, any thing you may gain for reducing power leakage from lower temperature should be dwarfed by the efficiency of the TEC itself.
Also I'm not sure if the change in power leakage with respect to temperature is necessarily similar between desktop and mobile processors. It may be that mobile processors, being mainly ARM based (or just with a different power envelope with its design in general), don't necessarily share the same power characteristics with their desktop counterparts.
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keibohow69
lian li trying to patent fans is a joke. All The have done is combine the work of others into a product. Without the work of other's they have nothing.
Example
They never invented or concieved pogo pins
They never came up with magnets.
They never created fans.
They never came up with argd, or rgb.
They never even came up with the tooling to make the above.
So all they have done is combine ingredients like a chef, and are trying to say no one else can do it.
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lian li trying to patent fans is a joke. All The have done is combine the work of others into a product. Without the work of other's they have nothing.
Example
They never invented or concieved pogo pins
They never came up with magnets.
They never created fans.
They never came up with argd, or rgb.
They never even came up with the tooling to make the above.
So all they have done is combine ingredients like a chef, and are trying to say no one else can do it.
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MrVlodato
2nd time i heard someone talking about pogo pins for something on a PC. This type of soy boy shit is what makes stuff rise in price for no actual real bennefit. Would you be willing to pay 20 or 30 extra because some idiot can't take a front panel off without breaking a cable This is why a honda civic costs 26k because we needed it to have navigation and lane assistance and 37 air bags. Leave the fancy stuff for the people who like paying $300 for a metal box to hold pc parts.
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2nd time i heard someone talking about pogo pins for something on a PC. This type of soy boy shit is what makes stuff rise in price for no actual real bennefit. Would you be willing to pay 20 or 30 extra because some idiot can't take a front panel off without breaking a cable This is why a honda civic costs 26k because we needed it to have navigation and lane assistance and 37 air bags. Leave the fancy stuff for the people who like paying $300 for a metal box to hold pc parts.
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montymousester
there kinda is a reason for the bottom to be a solid panel on the top mount gpu. Once you remove steel, integrity, the metal poles will be attached to a more flimsy material. whilst those parts will be firmly fixed the sides will not be as sturdy when lifting, so the rest of the chassis for holding it risks warping which will put strain on the pcie connection. it will considerably lessen the weight you can lift by the top which may cause damage to parts..... just saying.
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there kinda is a reason for the bottom to be a solid panel on the top mount gpu. Once you remove steel, integrity, the metal poles will be attached to a more flimsy material. whilst those parts will be firmly fixed the sides will not be as sturdy when lifting, so the rest of the chassis for holding it risks warping which will put strain on the pcie connection. it will considerably lessen the weight you can lift by the top which may cause damage to parts..... just saying.
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nugzmedallion8929
1:06 I'm getting drowned out by noise because I'm talking poorly about ASUS
AND THEN AS SOON AS HE STOPPED, THEY STOPPED MAKING NOISE. Idk if that was a bit or not, but yeah, any of those products might as well be dead on arrival. It doesn't matter how good it is, people are simply not buying ASUS products from first party vendors, especially ASUS themselves, as much nowadays because, well, they know if something goes wrong they're just screwed so why would they
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1:06 I'm getting drowned out by noise because I'm talking poorly about ASUS
AND THEN AS SOON AS HE STOPPED, THEY STOPPED MAKING NOISE. Idk if that was a bit or not, but yeah, any of those products might as well be dead on arrival. It doesn't matter how good it is, people are simply not buying ASUS products from first party vendors, especially ASUS themselves, as much nowadays because, well, they know if something goes wrong they're just screwed so why would they
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GCAT01Living
ngl I like the idea of just slapping the GPU on top of the case. I honestly thought about this when the 30 series came out and were getting bigger and definitely with the 40 series. Engineered correctly, it could eliminate a lot of the worry of trying to fit a GPU in your current case and/or the case you want.
The aquarium type case with swappable side panels is pretty dope. I'm sure people will come up with some really cool showcase builds in that.
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ngl I like the idea of just slapping the GPU on top of the case. I honestly thought about this when the 30 series came out and were getting bigger and definitely with the 40 series. Engineered correctly, it could eliminate a lot of the worry of trying to fit a GPU in your current case and/or the case you want.
The aquarium type case with swappable side panels is pretty dope. I'm sure people will come up with some really cool showcase builds in that.
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AndreiAldea
That's hilarious, I've actually been using an NR200 together with a Strix 4090, I've had to modify both heavily to make them fit together but it's kind of hilarious to see CoolerMaster make it a first party thing. Mine still looks stock on the outside though, I've had to cut the front faceplate and remove the extra plastic on the strix to make it fit but it juuuuust goes in there. This is not a bad no-mod approach and looks kinda cool.
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That's hilarious, I've actually been using an NR200 together with a Strix 4090, I've had to modify both heavily to make them fit together but it's kind of hilarious to see CoolerMaster make it a first party thing. Mine still looks stock on the outside though, I've had to cut the front faceplate and remove the extra plastic on the strix to make it fit but it juuuuust goes in there. This is not a bad no-mod approach and looks kinda cool.
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NexGen-3D
With Tec coolers for phones, battery life does not even get a look in, its purely for performance, when using them you will have the phone powered by the wall or by a battery bank, as playing high end smart phone games will destroy your battery just as fast as a stem deck, I was using these Tec coolers when I used to play COD mobile to give me sustained high frame rates without setting the phone on fire :) they do work quite well.
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With Tec coolers for phones, battery life does not even get a look in, its purely for performance, when using them you will have the phone powered by the wall or by a battery bank, as playing high end smart phone games will destroy your battery just as fast as a stem deck, I was using these Tec coolers when I used to play COD mobile to give me sustained high frame rates without setting the phone on fire :) they do work quite well.
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skyhight3
I like the ITX case with the GPU on top, but they need to make a system that have 2 separate locks and one is automatic once you push the card in, not only to make sure there are no accidents in case one of them fail, but in case people forget to lock the thing, which will happen 100%.
The one with the GPU window it will only look good if you have a GPU with that exact size, otherwise it will look terrible.
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I like the ITX case with the GPU on top, but they need to make a system that have 2 separate locks and one is automatic once you push the card in, not only to make sure there are no accidents in case one of them fail, but in case people forget to lock the thing, which will happen 100%.
The one with the GPU window it will only look good if you have a GPU with that exact size, otherwise it will look terrible.
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UnbeltedSundew
The only thing with cases that don't actually protect your components is that they don't protect your components. Even if nothing traumatic happens to it, animals can get into, like let say you go on vacation for a month or are absent for an even more prolonged period and during that time rats or mice get into your house... you don't want them to get into your computer case, because they will f it up.
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The only thing with cases that don't actually protect your components is that they don't protect your components. Even if nothing traumatic happens to it, animals can get into, like let say you go on vacation for a month or are absent for an even more prolonged period and during that time rats or mice get into your house... you don't want them to get into your computer case, because they will f it up.
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Z020852
I'm using a laptop as a transportable desktop for now (and an Asus too) and not beyond using miniPCs with nice dGPUs...but I cannot understand these custom desktop PC parts that are custom-fit to the point that, for example, if that ROG card breaks or you upgrade it and the new graphics card is drastically smaller or larger, it wouldn't stick out of that NR200P the same way.
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I'm using a laptop as a transportable desktop for now (and an Asus too) and not beyond using miniPCs with nice dGPUs...but I cannot understand these custom desktop PC parts that are custom-fit to the point that, for example, if that ROG card breaks or you upgrade it and the new graphics card is drastically smaller or larger, it wouldn't stick out of that NR200P the same way.
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RadialSeeker113
10:15
I actually made a prototype for this case in paint 3 yrs ago. Mine had added thickness for a 240mm rad. The added thickness would also let run the 12vhpwr up to the gpu without having to bother too much with thickness constraints.
The gpu display area in my prototype had 2 mesh panels (1 in front of the gpu and 1 behind with the sides and top being glass
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10:15
I actually made a prototype for this case in paint 3 yrs ago. Mine had added thickness for a 240mm rad. The added thickness would also let run the 12vhpwr up to the gpu without having to bother too much with thickness constraints.
The gpu display area in my prototype had 2 mesh panels (1 in front of the gpu and 1 behind with the sides and top being glass
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JohnDavidSullivan
Still have my TD500 - the only thing that bugged me as you mentioned in your review at the time was the mounting holes for two more SSD's but they never included the grommets or pegs for that. They then released a Version 2 - rather than include the additional screws and grommets they removed the mounting support entirely. Really smart!
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Still have my TD500 - the only thing that bugged me as you mentioned in your review at the time was the mounting holes for two more SSD's but they never included the grommets or pegs for that. They then released a Version 2 - rather than include the additional screws and grommets they removed the mounting support entirely. Really smart!
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WXSTANG
Graphene is superconductive when it comes to heat because of the matrix of atoms. Just like carbon nanotubes... but CN are very difficult to manufacture. Also, why do you care about the openings in the case with the external GPU case If a GPU is plugged into a motherboard it is flush against the motherboard itself instead of the metal plate.
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Graphene is superconductive when it comes to heat because of the matrix of atoms. Just like carbon nanotubes... but CN are very difficult to manufacture. Also, why do you care about the openings in the case with the external GPU case If a GPU is plugged into a motherboard it is flush against the motherboard itself instead of the metal plate.
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Sturdee
I swear, the people in the design and marketing department need to be sat down and taught a basic course on airflow or fluid dynamics or something because Can we just put some RGBs here covering up the ventilation. Either engineering or fabrication needs more of a say than their people with art or english degrees.
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I swear, the people in the design and marketing department need to be sat down and taught a basic course on airflow or fluid dynamics or something because Can we just put some RGBs here covering up the ventilation. Either engineering or fabrication needs more of a say than their people with art or english degrees.
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