HW News - Intel CEO Steps Down, New MSI Claw 258V, $7100 Computer Case, RX 8800 Rumors
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Date: 2024-12-05
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jackielinde7568
Intel's biggest problem right now is it's a publicly traded company. It's had over 10 years of bad leadership before Pat was rehired as the CEO, and it takes a lot of time and effort to reverse that for any company, let alone one who's own products take years before they are ready to be sold. There is no way to reverse course and fix everything within the two years Pat returned to the helm. But Intel is a publicly traded company, and its primary duty as one is to the shareholders. And most shareholders aren't in it for the long term. They want the line to go up, and to go up right now! Since Pat couldn't do the impossible and make Intel immediately profitable, he got the axe.
This saddens me. Partly because almost every PC I've had (up until recently) in the 34 years of owning and building them has been built around an Intel processor. So, yeah I have a soft spot for the company. But also we cannot afford to lose Intel. That would leave AMD as the sole standout in the x86 CPU market, and TSMC as the sole standout in the chip fabrication market. And we've seen time and time again what happens when a company becomes either an effective and/or literal monopoly. Right now, nobody else is poised to challenge AMD in the x86 desktop or the server market for CPU's. Likewise, nVidia has no rivals to keep their prices and behaviors in check. While there are some companies that fabricate chips, few fabricates CPUs and/or GPUs, and not even to the level of complexity that TSMC does. Only TSMC makes CPU and GPU chips for Apple, nVidia, and nVidia. Intel is the only fab company with any hopes in the near future that could challenge TSMC. If Intel goes under, we're all screwed for the next ten years.
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Intel's biggest problem right now is it's a publicly traded company. It's had over 10 years of bad leadership before Pat was rehired as the CEO, and it takes a lot of time and effort to reverse that for any company, let alone one who's own products take years before they are ready to be sold. There is no way to reverse course and fix everything within the two years Pat returned to the helm. But Intel is a publicly traded company, and its primary duty as one is to the shareholders. And most shareholders aren't in it for the long term. They want the line to go up, and to go up right now! Since Pat couldn't do the impossible and make Intel immediately profitable, he got the axe.
This saddens me. Partly because almost every PC I've had (up until recently) in the 34 years of owning and building them has been built around an Intel processor. So, yeah I have a soft spot for the company. But also we cannot afford to lose Intel. That would leave AMD as the sole standout in the x86 CPU market, and TSMC as the sole standout in the chip fabrication market. And we've seen time and time again what happens when a company becomes either an effective and/or literal monopoly. Right now, nobody else is poised to challenge AMD in the x86 desktop or the server market for CPU's. Likewise, nVidia has no rivals to keep their prices and behaviors in check. While there are some companies that fabricate chips, few fabricates CPUs and/or GPUs, and not even to the level of complexity that TSMC does. Only TSMC makes CPU and GPU chips for Apple, nVidia, and nVidia. Intel is the only fab company with any hopes in the near future that could challenge TSMC. If Intel goes under, we're all screwed for the next ten years.
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JackMelqart
the issue is, if you have a good competitive product, you can do smart advertising and it will sell like hot cake, but the issue is, if your product is not as good as it usde to be no amount of magical advertisement will save you.
Also the people at Intel who was thinking this is a smart move, are delusional.
The issue is, at the time AMD Bulldozer architecture Intel was in a privileged and exceptional position AMD was unable to compete at all, neither on the consumer nor on the commercial side.
Thus Intel was able to boast to be the best, and it was true, and most people did buy intel, hell i did to, didnt even think about AMD CPU as an option.
That times Intel had a smooth sailing, they didnt have to really try, just bring in the cash. but now they have to compete, and AMD is chipping away % every year from both consumer and commercial market shares.
Intel did grow thru that 8 years, but now has issues, and instead of focusing on long term better products, they want sales/finance guys to steer the boat.
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the issue is, if you have a good competitive product, you can do smart advertising and it will sell like hot cake, but the issue is, if your product is not as good as it usde to be no amount of magical advertisement will save you.
Also the people at Intel who was thinking this is a smart move, are delusional.
The issue is, at the time AMD Bulldozer architecture Intel was in a privileged and exceptional position AMD was unable to compete at all, neither on the consumer nor on the commercial side.
Thus Intel was able to boast to be the best, and it was true, and most people did buy intel, hell i did to, didnt even think about AMD CPU as an option.
That times Intel had a smooth sailing, they didnt have to really try, just bring in the cash. but now they have to compete, and AMD is chipping away % every year from both consumer and commercial market shares.
Intel did grow thru that 8 years, but now has issues, and instead of focusing on long term better products, they want sales/finance guys to steer the boat.
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StephenCheung-s2r
I worked for Pat Gelsinger at EMC. He's one of the best people I know. The flaw with Pat is that he can be very political. The great example is Pat's trusting Holthaus, a marketing person, to build the next gen Intel CPUs. She has zero credibility and know-how. I strongly believe this was Pat's downfall, entrusting Holthaus and even promoting her with a dubious title as CEO of CCG. I also saw Pat bringing unqualified, super political people from EMC and VMW into Intel. Those people had very little capability other than being good with their words.
In the most recent OCP in San Jose, the Intel exec giving the keynote about AI was so devoid of any technical depth that when the AMD exec came up, it made the Intel exec looked like a 5-years-old. If those are the people at Intel, there's very little hope for them.
A company filled with mediocre fast-speaking, fat management.
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I worked for Pat Gelsinger at EMC. He's one of the best people I know. The flaw with Pat is that he can be very political. The great example is Pat's trusting Holthaus, a marketing person, to build the next gen Intel CPUs. She has zero credibility and know-how. I strongly believe this was Pat's downfall, entrusting Holthaus and even promoting her with a dubious title as CEO of CCG. I also saw Pat bringing unqualified, super political people from EMC and VMW into Intel. Those people had very little capability other than being good with their words.
In the most recent OCP in San Jose, the Intel exec giving the keynote about AI was so devoid of any technical depth that when the AMD exec came up, it made the Intel exec looked like a 5-years-old. If those are the people at Intel, there's very little hope for them.
A company filled with mediocre fast-speaking, fat management.
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jajsamurai
having a ceo with a background in marketing and finance is exactly the wrong move. thats how intel got in trouble in the first place. they ignored their R&D and engineering and just focused on finances and marketing. I think intels done with this move, its a terrible pick. remember that gelsinger was fixing all of intels problems caused by bob swan, who was a business major.
this is also how Boeing destroyed itself. a non aerospace engineer took over as ceo and then started sacrificing the engineering, safety and quality control all for improved 'finances'. now the company is circling the drain and the new ceo has the task of saving it. maybe he can do it, maybe he cant.
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having a ceo with a background in marketing and finance is exactly the wrong move. thats how intel got in trouble in the first place. they ignored their R&D and engineering and just focused on finances and marketing. I think intels done with this move, its a terrible pick. remember that gelsinger was fixing all of intels problems caused by bob swan, who was a business major.
this is also how Boeing destroyed itself. a non aerospace engineer took over as ceo and then started sacrificing the engineering, safety and quality control all for improved 'finances'. now the company is circling the drain and the new ceo has the task of saving it. maybe he can do it, maybe he cant.
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tedhodge4830
It is pretty mental for a board to axe a former CTO and engineer as head of the premier X86 manufacturer in the world, leaving the position vacant while scrambling to find a brainlet marketing or MBA from some unrelated industry to fill the post only after the departure. Not a great sign. On the other hand, I'll admit that I won't shed any crocodile tears after the guy headed 15% workforce reductions. I suspect things won't be getting better for Intel after all. They've lost a lot of talent at a difficult time and will continue to hemorrhage until someone competent is at the helm, methinks. The layoffs will continue until stock hits rock bottom.
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It is pretty mental for a board to axe a former CTO and engineer as head of the premier X86 manufacturer in the world, leaving the position vacant while scrambling to find a brainlet marketing or MBA from some unrelated industry to fill the post only after the departure. Not a great sign. On the other hand, I'll admit that I won't shed any crocodile tears after the guy headed 15% workforce reductions. I suspect things won't be getting better for Intel after all. They've lost a lot of talent at a difficult time and will continue to hemorrhage until someone competent is at the helm, methinks. The layoffs will continue until stock hits rock bottom.
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enlightendbel
I have 4080, 7800 and A770 and in the past year I've spent quite a bit of time gaming on the A770 while i originally just got it for the 16GB ram and to check out the evolving ecosphere of its compute libraries.
I've been rather gladly surprised about its gaming performance and stability.
And Intel has been exceptionally quick in driver updates for those cards too.
Now keeping my fingers crossed they didn't actually kill of B770 and we'll see it sooner than the recent tapout would suggest.
We need 3 or more competitors in the GPU space, so there is competition for new technology, which may finally dethrone Nvidia.
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I have 4080, 7800 and A770 and in the past year I've spent quite a bit of time gaming on the A770 while i originally just got it for the 16GB ram and to check out the evolving ecosphere of its compute libraries.
I've been rather gladly surprised about its gaming performance and stability.
And Intel has been exceptionally quick in driver updates for those cards too.
Now keeping my fingers crossed they didn't actually kill of B770 and we'll see it sooner than the recent tapout would suggest.
We need 3 or more competitors in the GPU space, so there is competition for new technology, which may finally dethrone Nvidia.
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1nicko29
Everything about the new AMD video card RX8800 sounds too good to be true. (4080TI performance with 4070TI powerdraw) So they start creating a hype now. In the end of the day it will be the test results, pricetag, availability and drivers that matter. Also people should be aware, that all these marketing comparissons are against last gen cards and what customers must consider is really wether to wait some more weeks for RTX5000 or bye the first new thing. One thing is for sure. If performance reaches 4080 levels, than we are talking about another 1000 dollar card.
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Everything about the new AMD video card RX8800 sounds too good to be true. (4080TI performance with 4070TI powerdraw) So they start creating a hype now. In the end of the day it will be the test results, pricetag, availability and drivers that matter. Also people should be aware, that all these marketing comparissons are against last gen cards and what customers must consider is really wether to wait some more weeks for RTX5000 or bye the first new thing. One thing is for sure. If performance reaches 4080 levels, than we are talking about another 1000 dollar card.
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0katmandude0
What was the thing steve Jobs said about a company led solely by either engineers or sales I think you need to know what you are selling, you need to own what you are trying to selling and you need to create the market to which you are selling. In summary both sides of the proverbial product coin. If its only market driven, its vague, empty and focus without substance. If its only tech driven its substance without market focus, and if you screw up what you makebor to whom you are targetting, well you are going to have a bad time
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What was the thing steve Jobs said about a company led solely by either engineers or sales I think you need to know what you are selling, you need to own what you are trying to selling and you need to create the market to which you are selling. In summary both sides of the proverbial product coin. If its only market driven, its vague, empty and focus without substance. If its only tech driven its substance without market focus, and if you screw up what you makebor to whom you are targetting, well you are going to have a bad time
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Penfolduk001
So they've appointed a marketing whizz and a bloke you could argue has spent most of his career softening-up companies for being taken over...
And probably 2 of the key people who bounced Gelsinger into releasing the 200 series before it was properly ready. Because it would look bad for the marketing and quarterly results otherwise...
Very bad day for Intel.
Although Gelsinger didn't do himself any favours in insulting TSMC. When you're hanging off a cliff, don't insult the person who can pull you up...
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So they've appointed a marketing whizz and a bloke you could argue has spent most of his career softening-up companies for being taken over...
And probably 2 of the key people who bounced Gelsinger into releasing the 200 series before it was properly ready. Because it would look bad for the marketing and quarterly results otherwise...
Very bad day for Intel.
Although Gelsinger didn't do himself any favours in insulting TSMC. When you're hanging off a cliff, don't insult the person who can pull you up...
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enlightendbel
Those two bars on the Claw with an arrow pointed to it look a lot like how portable devices used to have a loop to put a armband/neckband/whateverotherband thing through for easier carrying.
Which I think is probably a good feature as the two times I know someone got their Steam Deck stolen was by someone ripping it out of their hands while they were waiting for a bus.
A band of some kind would make this more difficult, probably also more difficult to accidentally drop it.
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Those two bars on the Claw with an arrow pointed to it look a lot like how portable devices used to have a loop to put a armband/neckband/whateverotherband thing through for easier carrying.
Which I think is probably a good feature as the two times I know someone got their Steam Deck stolen was by someone ripping it out of their hands while they were waiting for a bus.
A band of some kind would make this more difficult, probably also more difficult to accidentally drop it.
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danielkarlsson9326
Nothing beats Legoland in Billund when it comes to insanely detailed Minilandscapes.
you can literally spend a week in Miniland and still find new small details you had never seen before.
Beeing Swedish and all it kinda hurts my ego to admit that Legoland was probably the best recurring (6) semester trips of my childhood.
The only downside is that i do remember the park beeing much larger in scale than it looks to me now....
I need a shrink machine stat!.
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Nothing beats Legoland in Billund when it comes to insanely detailed Minilandscapes.
you can literally spend a week in Miniland and still find new small details you had never seen before.
Beeing Swedish and all it kinda hurts my ego to admit that Legoland was probably the best recurring (6) semester trips of my childhood.
The only downside is that i do remember the park beeing much larger in scale than it looks to me now....
I need a shrink machine stat!.
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zerabp1130
I feel bad for Intel's new leadership. Having to come in at this point in time will either make or break their careers and given Intel's trajectory it seems almost definitely that it will be the latter as there is so little they can do to fix the huge issues the company is facing. I have no doubts that eventually the company and can and will turn it around but just not in the foreseeable future. Really is a shame.
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I feel bad for Intel's new leadership. Having to come in at this point in time will either make or break their careers and given Intel's trajectory it seems almost definitely that it will be the latter as there is so little they can do to fix the huge issues the company is facing. I have no doubts that eventually the company and can and will turn it around but just not in the foreseeable future. Really is a shame.
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ZypherGames
Under Gelsinger, Intel publicly made it known it's focus was in investment. They needed to catch up and overtake competitors, it was going to take time and money.
This new leadership being obviously financially focused proves that the shareholders have bent the company over a barrel and are going to milk it dry until it collapses and is sold for parts.
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Under Gelsinger, Intel publicly made it known it's focus was in investment. They needed to catch up and overtake competitors, it was going to take time and money.
This new leadership being obviously financially focused proves that the shareholders have bent the company over a barrel and are going to milk it dry until it collapses and is sold for parts.
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bobbyn946
how is a 7800xt and a 7600x not a good match a 7800xt is about the same as a 6800xt or a 3080, before the 9th gen amd, the 7800x3d was the only better option for gaming on amds side with the r7 and r9 being so slightly better than a 7600x that it woulnd justify the cost and if a 7800x3d is for the high end cards than a 7600 absolutly fits a 7800xt
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how is a 7800xt and a 7600x not a good match a 7800xt is about the same as a 6800xt or a 3080, before the 9th gen amd, the 7800x3d was the only better option for gaming on amds side with the r7 and r9 being so slightly better than a 7600x that it woulnd justify the cost and if a 7800x3d is for the high end cards than a 7600 absolutly fits a 7800xt
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mqaisataloss.5951
These handhelds should just come with 24gb Ram.
6gb vram is enough for 720/800p considering the games you can possibly run off it's internal hardware.
Some games I can run on Ultra on 800p I still run at medium or high at the most.
Not like you can see Ultra or ofton even high details on a small screen at 800p.
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These handhelds should just come with 24gb Ram.
6gb vram is enough for 720/800p considering the games you can possibly run off it's internal hardware.
Some games I can run on Ultra on 800p I still run at medium or high at the most.
Not like you can see Ultra or ofton even high details on a small screen at 800p.
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aBoogivogi
Sort of off topic: The need to exclaim how you were instrumental to some task in your CV that's so common in the US is really ridiculous to me. If you have a manager position the title should tell me roughly what you are managing. If the department did well under your tenure then I know you did a god job.
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Sort of off topic: The need to exclaim how you were instrumental to some task in your CV that's so common in the US is really ridiculous to me. If you have a manager position the title should tell me roughly what you are managing. If the department did well under your tenure then I know you did a god job.
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JackMelqart
how i see it, you can have finance guys at the helm, but no matter the advertising, and cost optimizing, if the engineers cant make a really good product on the server/commercial side and for consumers, their market share and thus their valuation on the stock market will go down.
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how i see it, you can have finance guys at the helm, but no matter the advertising, and cost optimizing, if the engineers cant make a really good product on the server/commercial side and for consumers, their market share and thus their valuation on the stock market will go down.
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DrRasputin2012
Intel is in a death-spiral. It's evident that no engineer wanted the CEO job - why drink from a poisoned chalice So they offered it to a couple of unqualified scapegoats who'll manage the planned decline, until a hedge fund can scoop Intel up for pennies on the dollar.
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Intel is in a death-spiral. It's evident that no engineer wanted the CEO job - why drink from a poisoned chalice So they offered it to a couple of unqualified scapegoats who'll manage the planned decline, until a hedge fund can scoop Intel up for pennies on the dollar.
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wolcek
Gelsinger tried engineering for 3 years, his predecessors tried beancounting for decades, and caused the mess by caring more for the shareholders than for the company. I am sure when another beancounter comes it will be much better. For the good examples see Nvidia and AMD.
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Gelsinger tried engineering for 3 years, his predecessors tried beancounting for decades, and caused the mess by caring more for the shareholders than for the company. I am sure when another beancounter comes it will be much better. For the good examples see Nvidia and AMD.
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Poctyk
Maybe that's why Pat got the pat on the back and pointed at the door. Board was tired of hearing Papa's here when he appeared at the meetings.
In a bit more serious, I was actually surprised when GN pointed out just how old PG is. I always thought he was maybe mid 50s.
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Maybe that's why Pat got the pat on the back and pointed at the door. Board was tired of hearing Papa's here when he appeared at the meetings.
In a bit more serious, I was actually surprised when GN pointed out just how old PG is. I always thought he was maybe mid 50s.
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