HW News - Intel Shows Xe GPUs, 128-Core Ampere CPU, DirectX 12 Ultimate Scheduling
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Date: 2020-06-28
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maxfmfdm
I wonder how ready the ARM ecosystem is to just get plopped in place on desktop again. How is the arm software ecosystem? How will it perform compared to x86?
I think this is the big step that finally burns apple. You can make a new UI and hide things all you want. But it costs money to develop every part of a desktop ecosystem and I don't think people are going to be ignorant to the fact that apple computers run much more slowly all of a sudden. Not to mention that a number of major professional applications are not going to switch over. It's actually going to be a point where some professionals say well we can keep using the same software with the same performance and learn to use windows, or we can learn to use apples new os and use garbage software with garbage performance. It won't even be a choice for many. The switch just won't make sense for years down the road. And all this at a time when Microsoft is actually showing that they understand what to do quite well.
The field is becoming increasingly monolithic for a reason. I highly doubt apple can pull this one off. It isn't just about making the microprocessor. The computer won't do what people want well enough without EVERYTHING coming together.
They are paying a premium for control over something that will ultimately be less valuable that what other players in the market sold years ago.
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I wonder how ready the ARM ecosystem is to just get plopped in place on desktop again. How is the arm software ecosystem? How will it perform compared to x86?
I think this is the big step that finally burns apple. You can make a new UI and hide things all you want. But it costs money to develop every part of a desktop ecosystem and I don't think people are going to be ignorant to the fact that apple computers run much more slowly all of a sudden. Not to mention that a number of major professional applications are not going to switch over. It's actually going to be a point where some professionals say well we can keep using the same software with the same performance and learn to use windows, or we can learn to use apples new os and use garbage software with garbage performance. It won't even be a choice for many. The switch just won't make sense for years down the road. And all this at a time when Microsoft is actually showing that they understand what to do quite well.
The field is becoming increasingly monolithic for a reason. I highly doubt apple can pull this one off. It isn't just about making the microprocessor. The computer won't do what people want well enough without EVERYTHING coming together.
They are paying a premium for control over something that will ultimately be less valuable that what other players in the market sold years ago.
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Rizon1985
Apple's move isn't because of Intel cost or architecture errors because then they can just move to AMD. It's simply about gaining a new way to hardware and software lock-in their customers.
Designing and making a custom ARM for general purpose computing is for certain more costly and they'll be having more bugs. But their high markup allows them to pay more without going into the red. They could compete in x86 by setting reasonable prices but it's Apple so they prefer to keep those prices and cause tons of headaches for their customers and developers.
But it's going to take a huge part out of their warchest to do this even if they do it right. And if customers and developers leave, they're looking at 1997 again.
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Apple's move isn't because of Intel cost or architecture errors because then they can just move to AMD. It's simply about gaining a new way to hardware and software lock-in their customers.
Designing and making a custom ARM for general purpose computing is for certain more costly and they'll be having more bugs. But their high markup allows them to pay more without going into the red. They could compete in x86 by setting reasonable prices but it's Apple so they prefer to keep those prices and cause tons of headaches for their customers and developers.
But it's going to take a huge part out of their warchest to do this even if they do it right. And if customers and developers leave, they're looking at 1997 again.
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Kaleb2033
I'm so sick of Cox Communications. They are insanely expensive for the quality of service they provide you. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to move, and they are the only ISP in the area capable of providing more than 10Mbps connections. The rumors are true, they do throttle connections, and very frequently. My household currently pays 175 a month for 150 Megabit speeds and I get those speeds... Maybe 50% of the time. My only other option is AT&T and they want the same amount of money for 10 Megabits per second. I'm not going to say where I live, but F &K this place. Could people with a decent chunk of change laying around start suing ISPs for this s%! please? Believe me, I would if I could.
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I'm so sick of Cox Communications. They are insanely expensive for the quality of service they provide you. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to move, and they are the only ISP in the area capable of providing more than 10Mbps connections. The rumors are true, they do throttle connections, and very frequently. My household currently pays 175 a month for 150 Megabit speeds and I get those speeds... Maybe 50% of the time. My only other option is AT&T and they want the same amount of money for 10 Megabits per second. I'm not going to say where I live, but F &K this place. Could people with a decent chunk of change laying around start suing ISPs for this s%! please? Believe me, I would if I could.
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Les
Like all of the Arctic GPU coolers the glue on memory heatsinks or the big black back heatsink cannot cool the 5700XT memory enough where temperatures can hit over 100 C at full load.
Looking at the kit for the Morpheus it looks like the 5700XT will have similar issues with memory temperatures I'm afraid! The air can pass through the main GPU heatsink and cool the smaller memory and VRMs heatsinks however will it be any different to the Arctic solutions?
My advice if you have a cheaper 5700XT with cooling issues and you want quiet air cooling just sell the card and buy a MSI 5700XT Gaming X this card has amazing thermals and performance.
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Like all of the Arctic GPU coolers the glue on memory heatsinks or the big black back heatsink cannot cool the 5700XT memory enough where temperatures can hit over 100 C at full load.
Looking at the kit for the Morpheus it looks like the 5700XT will have similar issues with memory temperatures I'm afraid! The air can pass through the main GPU heatsink and cool the smaller memory and VRMs heatsinks however will it be any different to the Arctic solutions?
My advice if you have a cheaper 5700XT with cooling issues and you want quiet air cooling just sell the card and buy a MSI 5700XT Gaming X this card has amazing thermals and performance.
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TWILIGHTS
I've been dealing with that evil monster you call cox in Las Vegas for almost thirty years. I currently live in a neighborhood that is regularly throttled so my ten meg connection averages between 350k and 1 meg and they are trying to charge me 57 dollars for a mini box I never owned. There only competition in the valley, Centurylink just closed all its stores. If you have any ideas about how to get a proper internet connection without cox a video on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
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I've been dealing with that evil monster you call cox in Las Vegas for almost thirty years. I currently live in a neighborhood that is regularly throttled so my ten meg connection averages between 350k and 1 meg and they are trying to charge me 57 dollars for a mini box I never owned. There only competition in the valley, Centurylink just closed all its stores. If you have any ideas about how to get a proper internet connection without cox a video on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
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Nazgul
Raijintek cooler works best with non-reference cards that allow separation of baseplate and main cooler, e.g. EVGA FTW, Asus ROG Strix, MSI Lightning. You keep the baseplate for efficient cooling of memory/mosfets and replace original finstack with Raijintek s. Add two quality 120mm pwm fans, connect them to the card using mini-pwm splitter, and BOOM - you have air cooling that can only be surpassed by full-cover block in a custom loop.
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Raijintek cooler works best with non-reference cards that allow separation of baseplate and main cooler, e.g. EVGA FTW, Asus ROG Strix, MSI Lightning. You keep the baseplate for efficient cooling of memory/mosfets and replace original finstack with Raijintek s. Add two quality 120mm pwm fans, connect them to the card using mini-pwm splitter, and BOOM - you have air cooling that can only be surpassed by full-cover block in a custom loop.
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Juts
Will you cover adaptive refresh rates and how they break with multiple monitors running different refresh rates? Wddm 2 was supposedly going to fix this with win 2004 but it only seems to spike the refresh rate to its cap of the faster monitor instead of to the cap of the lower refresh rate monitor.
Capping a game to 50fps on a 120hz gsync monitor and playing a video on a 2nd 60hz monitor this is super apparent
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Will you cover adaptive refresh rates and how they break with multiple monitors running different refresh rates? Wddm 2 was supposedly going to fix this with win 2004 but it only seems to spike the refresh rate to its cap of the faster monitor instead of to the cap of the lower refresh rate monitor.
Capping a game to 50fps on a 120hz gsync monitor and playing a video on a 2nd 60hz monitor this is super apparent
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Bensam123
Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling mainly effects .1% and 1% frametimes, IE stuttering. Please don't do what other hardware sites have done and only test specifically for average or god forbid 99th percentile as that weeds out outliers. In my testing it mainly helped with stuttering issues via MSI AB. Based on articles it also helps with low end hardware, however I'm not running low end hardware.
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Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling mainly effects .1% and 1% frametimes, IE stuttering. Please don't do what other hardware sites have done and only test specifically for average or god forbid 99th percentile as that weeds out outliers. In my testing it mainly helped with stuttering issues via MSI AB. Based on articles it also helps with low end hardware, however I'm not running low end hardware.
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Nice
I updated to the Nvidia Driver 451 an hour ago and my PC is crashing like hell after that. I run Unity, Topaz Video Enhance AI, Chrome video player at the same time and they all crash together again and again BUT not before I updated from version 44x. I think it has something to do with the new memory management stuff in the latest driver. Now trying to roll back.
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I updated to the Nvidia Driver 451 an hour ago and my PC is crashing like hell after that. I run Unity, Topaz Video Enhance AI, Chrome video player at the same time and they all crash together again and again BUT not before I updated from version 44x. I think it has something to do with the new memory management stuff in the latest driver. Now trying to roll back.
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liaminwales
It just hit me, apple has about 10% market share i think & that's bigger than AMD!
so yes they have the power to become no2 to intel in 2 years?
last time i looked apple was in the top 5 intel OEM's for volume of CPU sales and top 3 customer in for intel as they buy higher end CPU's, this may help free up intel CPU's with there production problems.
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It just hit me, apple has about 10% market share i think & that's bigger than AMD!
so yes they have the power to become no2 to intel in 2 years?
last time i looked apple was in the top 5 intel OEM's for volume of CPU sales and top 3 customer in for intel as they buy higher end CPU's, this may help free up intel CPU's with there production problems.
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