ExFAT Linux - Microsoft is -Extending- Linux - Chris Titus Tech
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Date: 2022-03-21
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lwvmobile
This is the same Microsoft who had to fix their web browser by changing to Chromium. They can't even support or update their own operating system without causing major issues. If Microsoft really wants to contribute, they could build their own Linux Kernel Modules for exFat and support and maintain it themselves. Don't hand it off and tell/demand whoever to bake it directly into the kernel.
People forget that specific OS isn't just the Kernel, its a collection of packages maintained by many different people, groups, companies, etc. If Microsoft wants to contribute to open source, they should write and maintain their own code, leave it open source, and make it optional and available.
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This is the same Microsoft who had to fix their web browser by changing to Chromium. They can't even support or update their own operating system without causing major issues. If Microsoft really wants to contribute, they could build their own Linux Kernel Modules for exFat and support and maintain it themselves. Don't hand it off and tell/demand whoever to bake it directly into the kernel.
People forget that specific OS isn't just the Kernel, its a collection of packages maintained by many different people, groups, companies, etc. If Microsoft wants to contribute to open source, they should write and maintain their own code, leave it open source, and make it optional and available.
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Just
What I really want is open source NTFS. All FATs do not have journalling, so data recovery and safety is horrible, and exFAT is particularly bad because it only has one FAT when compared to the 2 (I think) FATs that all other FAT filesystems have. If M$ open sourced NTFS, there could finally be a good filesystem with proper data recovery and safety that all OSs can use on an external hard drive. Sadly, M$ just wants us to suffer with using (ex)FAT and getting all our data to say bye bye to us. The only use I see for FAT nowadays are EFI System Partitions (Many OSs and Firmwares need FAT32 as the ESP) and USB sticks. And of course, floppy disks.
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What I really want is open source NTFS. All FATs do not have journalling, so data recovery and safety is horrible, and exFAT is particularly bad because it only has one FAT when compared to the 2 (I think) FATs that all other FAT filesystems have. If M$ open sourced NTFS, there could finally be a good filesystem with proper data recovery and safety that all OSs can use on an external hard drive. Sadly, M$ just wants us to suffer with using (ex)FAT and getting all our data to say bye bye to us. The only use I see for FAT nowadays are EFI System Partitions (Many OSs and Firmwares need FAT32 as the ESP) and USB sticks. And of course, floppy disks.
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Scott
We all understand that Microsoft was a nefarious company at one point, but under the current leadership I really do think they are a different company. Microsoft embracing Linux has nothing to with Microsoft loving Linux, they love the tech that's going to bring them money, and them open sourcing more of their tech is just them brown nosing to Redhat and the likes to get their support for Microsofts real money maker which is the data center and enterprise operating system which 99% of those run Linux and they then can expand their Azure service and start taking market share from Linux in those spaces.
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We all understand that Microsoft was a nefarious company at one point, but under the current leadership I really do think they are a different company. Microsoft embracing Linux has nothing to with Microsoft loving Linux, they love the tech that's going to bring them money, and them open sourcing more of their tech is just them brown nosing to Redhat and the likes to get their support for Microsofts real money maker which is the data center and enterprise operating system which 99% of those run Linux and they then can expand their Azure service and start taking market share from Linux in those spaces.
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gentuxable
I feel much of it is wrong. Microsoft is extending linux because the SDXC standard is specified at 2TiB maximum and it will soon need to publish a new standard. Given the market strength of Android they run a high risk of losing the battle against f2fs or even ext4. And exFAT is the current standard for SDXC cards and most of them use exactly that file system. Is maybe not -evil- but also nothing that I would consider -nice-, just business as usual. That exFAT theoretically supports volumes in Petabyte-sizes looks like confirming my point.
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I feel much of it is wrong. Microsoft is extending linux because the SDXC standard is specified at 2TiB maximum and it will soon need to publish a new standard. Given the market strength of Android they run a high risk of losing the battle against f2fs or even ext4. And exFAT is the current standard for SDXC cards and most of them use exactly that file system. Is maybe not -evil- but also nothing that I would consider -nice-, just business as usual. That exFAT theoretically supports volumes in Petabyte-sizes looks like confirming my point.
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itech
Shortlist of (supposed) Microsoft evil, probably doesn't even scratch the surface.
Gates invented the software piracy at least the term, software used to be shared freely.
Gates sold dos license to IBM then went and bought it from some guy so they could give it to IBM.
Microsoft didn't steal the modern computer gui from apple like most people think, both apple and M$ stole it from Xerox.
Internet explorer source was licensed and Microsoft were supposed to pay royalties but tried to get around it by giving IE away free.
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Shortlist of (supposed) Microsoft evil, probably doesn't even scratch the surface.
Gates invented the software piracy at least the term, software used to be shared freely.
Gates sold dos license to IBM then went and bought it from some guy so they could give it to IBM.
Microsoft didn't steal the modern computer gui from apple like most people think, both apple and M$ stole it from Xerox.
Internet explorer source was licensed and Microsoft were supposed to pay royalties but tried to get around it by giving IE away free.
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Alkaris
There was that whole thing were Microsoft was considering buying Canonical, and then you have other companies like IBM who bought RedHat, which probably where Microsoft got the idea for wanting to buy out Canonical. I don't really know what Canonical really has much for their business model, they don't even sell Ubuntu, but they only have like donations by the community. I don't really see Canonical as an actual business, but just as a team of folks who make free open-source software and distribute it freely.
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There was that whole thing were Microsoft was considering buying Canonical, and then you have other companies like IBM who bought RedHat, which probably where Microsoft got the idea for wanting to buy out Canonical. I don't really know what Canonical really has much for their business model, they don't even sell Ubuntu, but they only have like donations by the community. I don't really see Canonical as an actual business, but just as a team of folks who make free open-source software and distribute it freely.
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Chuck
If MS had any interest in doing something constructive they would make networking between linux and windows as seemless as it is between windows machines. Also I would like to be able to plug in an ext4 drive and have my windows machine recognise it and read from/write to without a problem. I have no issues reading xfat sd cards. The camera I use has an android os that formats, reads and writes to an xfat sd card. MS is blowing smoke up somewhere.
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If MS had any interest in doing something constructive they would make networking between linux and windows as seemless as it is between windows machines. Also I would like to be able to plug in an ext4 drive and have my windows machine recognise it and read from/write to without a problem. I have no issues reading xfat sd cards. The camera I use has an android os that formats, reads and writes to an xfat sd card. MS is blowing smoke up somewhere.
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Michael
Pretty much all of the Windows -software- I use is open source: VS Code, .Net Core Framework, Powershell Core. I do think their Azure platform is pushing them into the open source space because yes, they want you to host your FOSS on their platform BUT that means they need to place nice with the open source community. I'm happy with the direction they are going.
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Pretty much all of the Windows -software- I use is open source: VS Code, .Net Core Framework, Powershell Core. I do think their Azure platform is pushing them into the open source space because yes, they want you to host your FOSS on their platform BUT that means they need to place nice with the open source community. I'm happy with the direction they are going.
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Mr
Linux is a thing that Microsoft can never own so they want part in Linux because they just can't stop what google started -Android- in other words...in future Microsoft may Launch A smart Phone Series whose OS Kernel my be based on LINUX (or they are going after android through Linux(not possible though))...
-Long Shot-
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Linux is a thing that Microsoft can never own so they want part in Linux because they just can't stop what google started -Android- in other words...in future Microsoft may Launch A smart Phone Series whose OS Kernel my be based on LINUX (or they are going after android through Linux(not possible though))...
-Long Shot-
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Paul
I can see a future version of Windows being simply a desktop environment running on Linux. The most expensive part of an OS, is the hardware support, because much of this is labour intensive. That is a huge expense that goes away, and the MS software can still require the Windows DE be installed.
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I can see a future version of Windows being simply a desktop environment running on Linux. The most expensive part of an OS, is the hardware support, because much of this is labour intensive. That is a huge expense that goes away, and the MS software can still require the Windows DE be installed.
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