I Still Burn CDs, DVDs and Blu Ray (And You Should Too!) DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Your point about proprietary file formats is really true. I picked up a digital camera from 2004 recently that -happened- to also be an mp3 player. So, out of curiosity I researched how to get music on there and it turns out it uses a special, proprietary Panasonic .sa3 format or something that needs a Panasonic branded SD to USB security dongle that's impossible to find. A few forum posts later and I found out about a couple who couldn't get all of their favorite music off of one of these devices because the files are encrypted and the methods to do so are obsolete. So yeah, do yourself a favor by thinking in the long term and save your files in as open a format as possible like the man said.
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Your point about proprietary file formats is really true. I picked up a digital camera from 2004 recently that -happened- to also be an mp3 player. So, out of curiosity I researched how to get music on there and it turns out it uses a special, proprietary Panasonic .sa3 format or something that needs a Panasonic branded SD to USB security dongle that's impossible to find. A few forum posts later and I found out about a couple who couldn't get all of their favorite music off of one of these devices because the files are encrypted and the methods to do so are obsolete. So yeah, do yourself a favor by thinking in the long term and save your files in as open a format as possible like the man said.
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Brodie
Please don't use bluray for long term storage, they have horrible cost per GB, redundancy is an absolute logistics nightmare requiring user intervention per disk, and each disk has terrible storage capacity, plus they're incredibly fragile and slight scratches may wipe out half your data. Go buy a second hand computer for cheap, buy some HDD, turn it into a NAS where you have RAIDed the drives and be done with it. Yes the drives wil eventually break but because you've RAIDed as long as you don't have too many drives fail you can replace them and not have to redo another 20 bluray disks
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Please don't use bluray for long term storage, they have horrible cost per GB, redundancy is an absolute logistics nightmare requiring user intervention per disk, and each disk has terrible storage capacity, plus they're incredibly fragile and slight scratches may wipe out half your data. Go buy a second hand computer for cheap, buy some HDD, turn it into a NAS where you have RAIDed the drives and be done with it. Yes the drives wil eventually break but because you've RAIDed as long as you don't have too many drives fail you can replace them and not have to redo another 20 bluray disks
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jonny777bike
Some one mentioned a way to store website creation is with paper. With MySQL exported scripts and bash files they could be stored on paper as texts files and then printed. I definitely agree with open source. I forget what you said about adobe PDF. I know Adobe originally made PDF I wonder if there is a mor e open format then PDF. On second thought text files is still king. As one who uses ssh a lot .txt is simply the most useful file format. HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP can easily be changed to .txt and you can manipulate them with Python or all of the other formats.
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Some one mentioned a way to store website creation is with paper. With MySQL exported scripts and bash files they could be stored on paper as texts files and then printed. I definitely agree with open source. I forget what you said about adobe PDF. I know Adobe originally made PDF I wonder if there is a mor e open format then PDF. On second thought text files is still king. As one who uses ssh a lot .txt is simply the most useful file format. HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP can easily be changed to .txt and you can manipulate them with Python or all of the other formats.
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Cosmically
Great advice! Very practical solutions! Thank you. I want to add my two cents worth. My recommendation is to make multiple copies, whether it is CD/DVD/Bluray or HD. Have the copies in multiple formats. I have several terabytes of precious music (transferred from rare Vinyl) & live home/wedding videos/concerts stored on multiple hard drives. Among them, the extremely important live recordings are on bluray as well. So if one fails, I have the same thing backed up elsewhere. And when something fails, I take my time & make another copy immediately.
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Great advice! Very practical solutions! Thank you. I want to add my two cents worth. My recommendation is to make multiple copies, whether it is CD/DVD/Bluray or HD. Have the copies in multiple formats. I have several terabytes of precious music (transferred from rare Vinyl) & live home/wedding videos/concerts stored on multiple hard drives. Among them, the extremely important live recordings are on bluray as well. So if one fails, I have the same thing backed up elsewhere. And when something fails, I take my time & make another copy immediately.
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Mike
Yup I had a WD 8tb Red that was less than 5 years old that recently corrupted itself, taking all my compressed BD rips with it. Like I can now at least access the drive, and Windows shows there is data on it, but all the files are completely missing, like corrupted directories. CHKDSK and any of the other usual troubleshooting has failed so I guess this disk is junk. I guess I will stick with HGST in the future. I have had better reliability with Seagate drives than these WD Reds.
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Yup I had a WD 8tb Red that was less than 5 years old that recently corrupted itself, taking all my compressed BD rips with it. Like I can now at least access the drive, and Windows shows there is data on it, but all the files are completely missing, like corrupted directories. CHKDSK and any of the other usual troubleshooting has failed so I guess this disk is junk. I guess I will stick with HGST in the future. I have had better reliability with Seagate drives than these WD Reds.
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1ex1uger
Good point about not using non-proprietary file formats. When I got Windows XP, I was pleased to discover that the included Windows Media Player had native support for ripping audio from CDs to Microsoft's proprietary WMA format. Low and behold, none of the audio I saved in WMA format can be played since Microsoft put machine-specific DRM into the encoder's code, and never bothered to inform the user that the audio would not play on any other devices.
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Good point about not using non-proprietary file formats. When I got Windows XP, I was pleased to discover that the included Windows Media Player had native support for ripping audio from CDs to Microsoft's proprietary WMA format. Low and behold, none of the audio I saved in WMA format can be played since Microsoft put machine-specific DRM into the encoder's code, and never bothered to inform the user that the audio would not play on any other devices.
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AlexXx
Optical disks -rot-. In my experience, some of the home DVR recording became unreadable in only a few years. Also in 20 years you'd be hard pressed to find DVD/Blue-Ray readers. So, nah. If you want archival storage you ought to pick tape.
In any case, the only assurance to keep the data safe is active management of the archive: periodic storage status checks, rewriting, transferring data to new media, keeping multiple copies, etc.
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Optical disks -rot-. In my experience, some of the home DVR recording became unreadable in only a few years. Also in 20 years you'd be hard pressed to find DVD/Blue-Ray readers. So, nah. If you want archival storage you ought to pick tape.
In any case, the only assurance to keep the data safe is active management of the archive: periodic storage status checks, rewriting, transferring data to new media, keeping multiple copies, etc.
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Gabifuertes
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I just got rid of hundreds of optical drives. None were bluray, and I don't see myself spending 200+ usd on a bluray burner. Bluray discs might cost half per TB compared to hard drives, but they're cumbersome and equally fragile.
Basically what you're suggesting sounds like printing photos for preservation.
M-Disc? it doens't exist where I live.
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I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I just got rid of hundreds of optical drives. None were bluray, and I don't see myself spending 200+ usd on a bluray burner. Bluray discs might cost half per TB compared to hard drives, but they're cumbersome and equally fragile.
Basically what you're suggesting sounds like printing photos for preservation.
M-Disc? it doens't exist where I live.
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hl2mukkel
I disagree. CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays die just as much as hard drives, in fact I have had more optical drives dying than disks. Every medium dies eventually, nothing lasts forever, that's why you do regular backups that you test. Besides disks are much better for incremental changes, are you gonna reburn your disc each time something changes? Are you gonna buy a new one? To me it's just inferior
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I disagree. CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays die just as much as hard drives, in fact I have had more optical drives dying than disks. Every medium dies eventually, nothing lasts forever, that's why you do regular backups that you test. Besides disks are much better for incremental changes, are you gonna reburn your disc each time something changes? Are you gonna buy a new one? To me it's just inferior
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Benjamin
I'm looking for a blu-ray drive right now. Do you have any recommendations for finding one that isn't terrible? Seems like they are all crippled to prevent whatever copy protection nonsense they are using this week. Can't play unless using specific intel CPU, can write UHD but not read, etc. I've got tons of old disks, but currently have no drive, and I want to get everything organized.
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I'm looking for a blu-ray drive right now. Do you have any recommendations for finding one that isn't terrible? Seems like they are all crippled to prevent whatever copy protection nonsense they are using this week. Can't play unless using specific intel CPU, can write UHD but not read, etc. I've got tons of old disks, but currently have no drive, and I want to get everything organized.
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