GTX 1660 review, upgradeable laptops/Area 51m, and Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 87
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Nocturnal101
I will say Capcom did hit 2 home runs with the RE2 remake and DMC5, both unexpected great games, which in turn makes that AMD bundle even better provided you already didn't buy either of them. Personally I think the sweet spot is ultrawide for monitors for cinema and FPS gaming, you can get 1080p ultrawides for pretty cheap these days and they are 100htz panels for under $300 now that the 1660ti can do 1440p and high refresh 1080p we will probably see a shift in the next 2 years or so. I will say within 5 year 1440p will be the new 1080p for cheaper base monitors with 4k shifting to the $300-500 dollar range, and I think the Ultrawide format will sell more and more till they become mainstream, I expect 4k Ultrawide to be an HDTV thing in the next few years as it seems their is a push for 21: 9 in media to not crop movies. Clevo and Clevo based laptops always had CPU sockets and used MXM GPUs the problem was it always seemed like NVidia and AMD wasn't really interested in the format, TBH I think 3rd party board partners EVGA/MSI/ASUS could have easily supported the format with various cooling solutions, but I don't think there is enough of a base consumer to buy them, I can see Military that want a mobile desktop or people that need the extra power for video/photo/audio editing on the run. I do like Dells G series Inspiron laptops for the price they are nice although a little/lot plasticy but that $800-1200 range is there for a competent 1080p 60htz game machine, The thing with the CPU upgrade support for the 51 probably aren't that big of a deal, CPUs basically flatlined anyways, unless we have a truly large leap in performance I can't see the 9900k being outdated for quite some time in fact it may outlast the laptop itself, people are still rocking z-68 Sandy Bridge, x58 platforms. Wouldn't a true OLED 4k cut down on the battery drain. I will say the 51m does look amazing it understated and nice I wish and hope they take the ascetic and redesign the other laptops like that its such a clean design.
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I will say Capcom did hit 2 home runs with the RE2 remake and DMC5, both unexpected great games, which in turn makes that AMD bundle even better provided you already didn't buy either of them. Personally I think the sweet spot is ultrawide for monitors for cinema and FPS gaming, you can get 1080p ultrawides for pretty cheap these days and they are 100htz panels for under $300 now that the 1660ti can do 1440p and high refresh 1080p we will probably see a shift in the next 2 years or so. I will say within 5 year 1440p will be the new 1080p for cheaper base monitors with 4k shifting to the $300-500 dollar range, and I think the Ultrawide format will sell more and more till they become mainstream, I expect 4k Ultrawide to be an HDTV thing in the next few years as it seems their is a push for 21: 9 in media to not crop movies. Clevo and Clevo based laptops always had CPU sockets and used MXM GPUs the problem was it always seemed like NVidia and AMD wasn't really interested in the format, TBH I think 3rd party board partners EVGA/MSI/ASUS could have easily supported the format with various cooling solutions, but I don't think there is enough of a base consumer to buy them, I can see Military that want a mobile desktop or people that need the extra power for video/photo/audio editing on the run. I do like Dells G series Inspiron laptops for the price they are nice although a little/lot plasticy but that $800-1200 range is there for a competent 1080p 60htz game machine, The thing with the CPU upgrade support for the 51 probably aren't that big of a deal, CPUs basically flatlined anyways, unless we have a truly large leap in performance I can't see the 9900k being outdated for quite some time in fact it may outlast the laptop itself, people are still rocking z-68 Sandy Bridge, x58 platforms. Wouldn't a true OLED 4k cut down on the battery drain. I will say the 51m does look amazing it understated and nice I wish and hope they take the ascetic and redesign the other laptops like that its such a clean design.
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Ethan
Regarding their comments about the slow adoption rate of high refresh monitors. The problem is pricing. It's ok to rag on $500 4k tvs that don't produce true HDR (basically false when a TCL or Vizio 55 inch just above that price are perfectly capable of hitting the black levels and 600 nit brightness required for 'real' hdr) but similarly priced 32 inch monitors with 1/10 of the contrast ratio are ok? Samsung CHG70 is around the most reasonably price 144hz 'HDR' you're going to get at $540 and its contrast performance is unimpressive. Until computer monitors start using full array local dimming as a regular feature, they're always going to suffer in image quality comparisons. HDR may not be here now on Windows (understatement) but it could be if monitors capable of representing it adequately were mainstream. The value proposition by 27+ inch gaming monitors is weak because they're selling a feature you can't really use. Also, as a controller on PC player, anything under 32 is too small so that means IPS is out. VA monitors for $350 like the LG 650F at 32' for some reason still have more smearing on dark color transitions than my $250 43 inch TCL (which already has nearly monitor-esque response time and input lag numbers. A 43 inch, high refresh rate monitor is basically a unicorn. Import a Wasabi Mango (serious name) from South Korea for more than I paid for my 55' OLED at $1, 200 just so I can get 120hz and a decent screen size? Laughable when the LG C9 OLED will soon be doing 4k and 120hz with picture quality that trounces any monitor in April (and before this time next year will hit clearance prices of $1, 100 like the C8 did. TV manufacturers like Samsung that do make 43 inch 'higher end' tvs are purposefully gimping the 'monitor' sized units and removing 144hz refresh and freesync from them so as to not have to compete against their own overpriced monitors.
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Regarding their comments about the slow adoption rate of high refresh monitors. The problem is pricing. It's ok to rag on $500 4k tvs that don't produce true HDR (basically false when a TCL or Vizio 55 inch just above that price are perfectly capable of hitting the black levels and 600 nit brightness required for 'real' hdr) but similarly priced 32 inch monitors with 1/10 of the contrast ratio are ok? Samsung CHG70 is around the most reasonably price 144hz 'HDR' you're going to get at $540 and its contrast performance is unimpressive. Until computer monitors start using full array local dimming as a regular feature, they're always going to suffer in image quality comparisons. HDR may not be here now on Windows (understatement) but it could be if monitors capable of representing it adequately were mainstream. The value proposition by 27+ inch gaming monitors is weak because they're selling a feature you can't really use. Also, as a controller on PC player, anything under 32 is too small so that means IPS is out. VA monitors for $350 like the LG 650F at 32' for some reason still have more smearing on dark color transitions than my $250 43 inch TCL (which already has nearly monitor-esque response time and input lag numbers. A 43 inch, high refresh rate monitor is basically a unicorn. Import a Wasabi Mango (serious name) from South Korea for more than I paid for my 55' OLED at $1, 200 just so I can get 120hz and a decent screen size? Laughable when the LG C9 OLED will soon be doing 4k and 120hz with picture quality that trounces any monitor in April (and before this time next year will hit clearance prices of $1, 100 like the C8 did. TV manufacturers like Samsung that do make 43 inch 'higher end' tvs are purposefully gimping the 'monitor' sized units and removing 144hz refresh and freesync from them so as to not have to compete against their own overpriced monitors.
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Andrei
There are no games today that -favor AMD architecture-.
In reality, there are games that perform properly in DX12, games that are compute heavy, and games that support asynchronous compute.
Of course, there are games that intrinsically cripple AMD performance by not making use of async-compute, or artificially cripple AMD performance via GameWorks and single-threaded CPU PhysX (not to be confused with generic physics calculations.
Even since the days of ATI Radeon 7000 -> 1950, the ATI demos ran fine on anything with the correct DirectX, or OpenGL support, while the Nvidia demos used duplicate functions in the DX and OGL drivers, just to be incompatible with anything else.
Just like with the Intel Compiler scam, you can always select different GPU code execution or rendering paths depending on the hardware detected; even excluding the PhysX shenanigans.
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There are no games today that -favor AMD architecture-.
In reality, there are games that perform properly in DX12, games that are compute heavy, and games that support asynchronous compute.
Of course, there are games that intrinsically cripple AMD performance by not making use of async-compute, or artificially cripple AMD performance via GameWorks and single-threaded CPU PhysX (not to be confused with generic physics calculations.
Even since the days of ATI Radeon 7000 -> 1950, the ATI demos ran fine on anything with the correct DirectX, or OpenGL support, while the Nvidia demos used duplicate functions in the DX and OGL drivers, just to be incompatible with anything else.
Just like with the Intel Compiler scam, you can always select different GPU code execution or rendering paths depending on the hardware detected; even excluding the PhysX shenanigans.
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bennyg
Nvidia dropped the reference MXM board with the 10 series so all of them are now proprietary, but on the upside there was no way to fit the VRM capable of handling 250W per each of the two 1080s like I do in this giant Clevo P870. For RTX, the MXM slot is still in use but the board sizes are all over the place, Clevo MXM GPUs only fit Clevos (but are mostly similar so have already been retrofitted to earlier P870 and P775 models, MSI only fit MSI, and this Dell DGFF board only fits Dells. and the rest are soldered. Isolated examples existed for 10 series upgrades - I installed two MSI 1070s in an ivy bridge Clevo as a project lol. (Eurocom also charge shedloads you're better off looking on Taobao. You will have to buy the new board from Dell and will have no choice but to pay Dell prices and who says they're going to be any different from Eurocom?
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Nvidia dropped the reference MXM board with the 10 series so all of them are now proprietary, but on the upside there was no way to fit the VRM capable of handling 250W per each of the two 1080s like I do in this giant Clevo P870. For RTX, the MXM slot is still in use but the board sizes are all over the place, Clevo MXM GPUs only fit Clevos (but are mostly similar so have already been retrofitted to earlier P870 and P775 models, MSI only fit MSI, and this Dell DGFF board only fits Dells. and the rest are soldered. Isolated examples existed for 10 series upgrades - I installed two MSI 1070s in an ivy bridge Clevo as a project lol. (Eurocom also charge shedloads you're better off looking on Taobao. You will have to buy the new board from Dell and will have no choice but to pay Dell prices and who says they're going to be any different from Eurocom?
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Peter
If I would have been in the chat I would also have said: -waiting for Navi-. Navi won't disappoint as Vega kind of did (though Vega56 did beat the GTX 1070, it was developed for gaming and it is a small GPU, it should be fine.
I just have looked on the Alienware webpage, the price-increases for better components are rather extreme, not as bad as Apple but still 50-100% extra compared to what it costs. Like 16 GB 2400 MT/s DDR4 or a 500 GB NVMe SSD for $200 for example. I also looked at the regular Dell desktop page, I find it rather disappointing that Dell still doesn't sell any PC with a Ryzen CPU with the exception of Threadripper. Would Dell be accepting bribe-money from Intel again to not sell any systems with a Ryzen desktop CPU?
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If I would have been in the chat I would also have said: -waiting for Navi-. Navi won't disappoint as Vega kind of did (though Vega56 did beat the GTX 1070, it was developed for gaming and it is a small GPU, it should be fine.
I just have looked on the Alienware webpage, the price-increases for better components are rather extreme, not as bad as Apple but still 50-100% extra compared to what it costs. Like 16 GB 2400 MT/s DDR4 or a 500 GB NVMe SSD for $200 for example. I also looked at the regular Dell desktop page, I find it rather disappointing that Dell still doesn't sell any PC with a Ryzen CPU with the exception of Threadripper. Would Dell be accepting bribe-money from Intel again to not sell any systems with a Ryzen desktop CPU?
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1BigBen
Gordon I wonder If the GTX is replacing GT card? with AMD APU and incoming better integrated graphics is there any profit and demand for Nvidia in making GT GPU in 2020 and GT1030 is the last one.
oh p. s
is Michael not asking more about what AMD is doing the Vega Pro SSG and with HBM3 coming with over 512GB/s per stack that having one 4gb hbm3 and SSG on a gaming card.
oh and stop saying that Radeon was not planned, Lisa is on the record that 7nm Vega for gaming was on the their roadmap or due you have evidence that she is lying?
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Gordon I wonder If the GTX is replacing GT card? with AMD APU and incoming better integrated graphics is there any profit and demand for Nvidia in making GT GPU in 2020 and GT1030 is the last one.
oh p. s
is Michael not asking more about what AMD is doing the Vega Pro SSG and with HBM3 coming with over 512GB/s per stack that having one 4gb hbm3 and SSG on a gaming card.
oh and stop saying that Radeon was not planned, Lisa is on the record that 7nm Vega for gaming was on the their roadmap or due you have evidence that she is lying?
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Guillermo
I think Alienware has realized to stay the course with appropriately sized laptops. These new companies or mainstream tactics to make these ultra thin MacBook style laptops are not going to work out with the amount of power you are trying to put in it. We already see the Max-Q versions which in my opinion are a farce. I myself got a Razer Blade 2019 and the thermals are unbearable and not sustainable. Just put an order for an Area 51m.
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I think Alienware has realized to stay the course with appropriately sized laptops. These new companies or mainstream tactics to make these ultra thin MacBook style laptops are not going to work out with the amount of power you are trying to put in it. We already see the Max-Q versions which in my opinion are a farce. I myself got a Razer Blade 2019 and the thermals are unbearable and not sustainable. Just put an order for an Area 51m.
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Lexie
I've always felt monitors and TVs fall into that same category as your bed and your office chair. It's a long term investment that should be completely suited to your needs and wants/comfort, if you're going to overspend on anything it's these three things.
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I've always felt monitors and TVs fall into that same category as your bed and your office chair. It's a long term investment that should be completely suited to your needs and wants/comfort, if you're going to overspend on anything it's these three things.
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bennyg
Just about every Z170, Z270 and Z370 desktop socketed Clevo laptop has custom BIOSes to permit upgrade to 9900K. I needed to do some heatsink mods on my P870DM3.
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Just about every Z170, Z270 and Z370 desktop socketed Clevo laptop has custom BIOSes to permit upgrade to 9900K. I needed to do some heatsink mods on my P870DM3.
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foff
I do wished my monitors were like fridges, but no, my monitors fai every 3 years, in contrast got a 10 year old laptop, the screen still works.
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I do wished my monitors were like fridges, but no, my monitors fai every 3 years, in contrast got a 10 year old laptop, the screen still works.
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