Damar Hamlin Cardiac Arrest (Sports Medicine Professional's Perspective)
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Date: 2023-01-04
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Jeff
In the state of Illinois it s a law that every gym have staff on hand that are trained in cpr and there is a special machine that they use that will assist in resuscitating people that have cardiac arrest. I wouldn t go to a gym that didn t have this training. I d encourage people to look into their gym to see if they have this training and rules in place. It s nice to know there is staff on hand that will perform the same function demar got in the bills game if this happens to you in the gym.
As for demar, my understanding is they don t know what caused his cardiac arrest. Could be a pre existing condition or something else that caused it.
I also remember back in the day there was an nba or college player that had this happen at the free throw line during a game. I remember seeing the video footage.
Let s all hope we get news demars condition improves from critical to stable.
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In the state of Illinois it s a law that every gym have staff on hand that are trained in cpr and there is a special machine that they use that will assist in resuscitating people that have cardiac arrest. I wouldn t go to a gym that didn t have this training. I d encourage people to look into their gym to see if they have this training and rules in place. It s nice to know there is staff on hand that will perform the same function demar got in the bills game if this happens to you in the gym.
As for demar, my understanding is they don t know what caused his cardiac arrest. Could be a pre existing condition or something else that caused it.
I also remember back in the day there was an nba or college player that had this happen at the free throw line during a game. I remember seeing the video footage.
Let s all hope we get news demars condition improves from critical to stable.
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Floyd
Yes. That SAME type of impact occurs Hundreds of times per game. because it is not just during the 50 tp 70 or more Tackles. but as you mentioned, but kind of walked past, it happens during Blocking as well. There can be dozens of impacts in EACH PLAY. and even when a player dives for a catch, or to try and tackle an opponent, and their chest and/or upper body hits the ground with the force of their full body weight. or if another player lands on top of them.
As a former EMT, as well as a College athletic Trainer. I have seen similar impacts from a Gymnast that misses a movement and lands on the Balance Beam or flattens on a floor mat off the High Bar. or a car crash when a driver crashes forward, in an older car without airbags, and impacts the steering wheel, or other internal parts of the vehicle. or even my own experience in a motorcycle crash, when someone ran thru a Stop Sign.
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Yes. That SAME type of impact occurs Hundreds of times per game. because it is not just during the 50 tp 70 or more Tackles. but as you mentioned, but kind of walked past, it happens during Blocking as well. There can be dozens of impacts in EACH PLAY. and even when a player dives for a catch, or to try and tackle an opponent, and their chest and/or upper body hits the ground with the force of their full body weight. or if another player lands on top of them.
As a former EMT, as well as a College athletic Trainer. I have seen similar impacts from a Gymnast that misses a movement and lands on the Balance Beam or flattens on a floor mat off the High Bar. or a car crash when a driver crashes forward, in an older car without airbags, and impacts the steering wheel, or other internal parts of the vehicle. or even my own experience in a motorcycle crash, when someone ran thru a Stop Sign.
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SWIMBIKERUNUK
Wishing him a quick recovery. Whilst not this particular cause, football (soccer) has had a number of high profile cases of players suffering forms of heart attacks on the field so awareness is so much greater now especially the need for defibrillators to be easily at hand. Most recently Christian Erikson collapsed on field, his team mates did a great job shielding him from view whilst the medics spent 7 minutes rescucitaing him. In my home city of Birmingham, UK, we now have begun to install defibrillators in easy to access locations on the streets in addition to more and more sports clubs, schools and public buildings. Think someone else commented basic first aid and cpr should be taught in schools as well as being offered in the workplace.
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Wishing him a quick recovery. Whilst not this particular cause, football (soccer) has had a number of high profile cases of players suffering forms of heart attacks on the field so awareness is so much greater now especially the need for defibrillators to be easily at hand. Most recently Christian Erikson collapsed on field, his team mates did a great job shielding him from view whilst the medics spent 7 minutes rescucitaing him. In my home city of Birmingham, UK, we now have begun to install defibrillators in easy to access locations on the streets in addition to more and more sports clubs, schools and public buildings. Think someone else commented basic first aid and cpr should be taught in schools as well as being offered in the workplace.
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Plumb
It's never happened in the history of the NFL and the reason is because it only happens in grade school and high school athletes Because by the time someone reaches the NFL they have been hit in the chest repeatedly over and over many times and any likelihood of it happening has already passed. More likely Anoxic encephalopathy. Not usually a good outcome even if he survives. It'll be interesting to know what caused this. If he had subclinical myocarditis that was exacerbated by adrenaline-fueled rapid heart rate within normal parameters for an elite athlete then there will be a firestorm over what caused the myocarditis. And rightly so. Possibly an experimental medical intervention he was compelled to submit to in order to keep his job?
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It's never happened in the history of the NFL and the reason is because it only happens in grade school and high school athletes Because by the time someone reaches the NFL they have been hit in the chest repeatedly over and over many times and any likelihood of it happening has already passed. More likely Anoxic encephalopathy. Not usually a good outcome even if he survives. It'll be interesting to know what caused this. If he had subclinical myocarditis that was exacerbated by adrenaline-fueled rapid heart rate within normal parameters for an elite athlete then there will be a firestorm over what caused the myocarditis. And rightly so. Possibly an experimental medical intervention he was compelled to submit to in order to keep his job?
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TsabaronSecron
Sorry dont buy Jeff's explanation on this. I fully believe that this is another incident caused by the vaxx. Football players get harder than that all day everyday and you don't see them all having heart attacks. We'd have an EXTREMELY higher number of incidents like this if getting hit would just trigger a heart attack like that. What i heard is that he recently received a booster for that damn vaxx but have not been able to confirm this. Please remember there was no Sudden Adult Death Syndrome before the vaxx. Feel free to call me a conspiracy theorist all you want but just ask yourself why all the thousands and thousands of football players all over the world dont get a heart attack every time they are hit in the chest?
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Sorry dont buy Jeff's explanation on this. I fully believe that this is another incident caused by the vaxx. Football players get harder than that all day everyday and you don't see them all having heart attacks. We'd have an EXTREMELY higher number of incidents like this if getting hit would just trigger a heart attack like that. What i heard is that he recently received a booster for that damn vaxx but have not been able to confirm this. Please remember there was no Sudden Adult Death Syndrome before the vaxx. Feel free to call me a conspiracy theorist all you want but just ask yourself why all the thousands and thousands of football players all over the world dont get a heart attack every time they are hit in the chest?
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Ben
I love Jeff's shared context and relative personal experience. As a retired FF/Paramedic I feel the response team was able to action to the best of their abilities. Despite each sports club being required to have an emergency response plan which includes 2 medic crews, an airway physician, and designated Trauma 1 center. I'd like to see our AT and PTs get trained in Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS. They are the front line experts to attend and assess downed athletes at these events where the majority of their day to day is assessing/ treating minor traumatic and musculoskeletal injuries. A 30 minute timeline to package and transport the player in this incident marks room for improvement.
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I love Jeff's shared context and relative personal experience. As a retired FF/Paramedic I feel the response team was able to action to the best of their abilities. Despite each sports club being required to have an emergency response plan which includes 2 medic crews, an airway physician, and designated Trauma 1 center. I'd like to see our AT and PTs get trained in Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS. They are the front line experts to attend and assess downed athletes at these events where the majority of their day to day is assessing/ treating minor traumatic and musculoskeletal injuries. A 30 minute timeline to package and transport the player in this incident marks room for improvement.
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Ryan
Paramedic here. Commotio cordis is the phenomenon Jeff is talking about. A patient gets struck in the chest the exact moment the heart is repolarizing on the t wave. This can cause cardiac arrest. Jeff is spot on when recognizing the excellent coordination and communication required for this situation. The tasks of initiating CPR, maintaining spinall motion restriction, and removing the helmet and pads for access to the patient are all considerations in this scenario. It looks like The athletic trainers and paramedics did everything well. Speedy recovery to Damar Hamlin.
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Paramedic here. Commotio cordis is the phenomenon Jeff is talking about. A patient gets struck in the chest the exact moment the heart is repolarizing on the t wave. This can cause cardiac arrest. Jeff is spot on when recognizing the excellent coordination and communication required for this situation. The tasks of initiating CPR, maintaining spinall motion restriction, and removing the helmet and pads for access to the patient are all considerations in this scenario. It looks like The athletic trainers and paramedics did everything well. Speedy recovery to Damar Hamlin.
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Mr.
I remember during my first aid training simulating a car crash. Anyone that is unresponsive, all the 'stay still, dont move untill emergency services get here' go straight out of the window, your job at that moment in time is to get them out and start CPR asap. Because every passing moment counts. Stuff like this should be taught in school. Sport medics do an amazing job as it is and are quick to respond. But whats even better is if the person RIGHT NEXT TO YOU can do those things too. Can Greatly increase those chances of not just survival, but a full recovery too.
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I remember during my first aid training simulating a car crash. Anyone that is unresponsive, all the 'stay still, dont move untill emergency services get here' go straight out of the window, your job at that moment in time is to get them out and start CPR asap. Because every passing moment counts. Stuff like this should be taught in school. Sport medics do an amazing job as it is and are quick to respond. But whats even better is if the person RIGHT NEXT TO YOU can do those things too. Can Greatly increase those chances of not just survival, but a full recovery too.
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tgarback9
I was at a tryout for a boys lax Allstar team that competes against other regions of New York State that spanned across 5 fields. We noticed something wrong or not typical of a tryout going on. Kid got hit with a shot in the chest at the wrong spot and bad timing. Thank God there was an AED on a centrally positioned golf cart that got to him in less than a minute from collapse. The AED did its thing, advised shock and brought him back to life and stable pulse. AEDs need to be EVERYWHERE, along w more and free training sessions in order to save lives.
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I was at a tryout for a boys lax Allstar team that competes against other regions of New York State that spanned across 5 fields. We noticed something wrong or not typical of a tryout going on. Kid got hit with a shot in the chest at the wrong spot and bad timing. Thank God there was an AED on a centrally positioned golf cart that got to him in less than a minute from collapse. The AED did its thing, advised shock and brought him back to life and stable pulse. AEDs need to be EVERYWHERE, along w more and free training sessions in order to save lives.
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Levon
Unpopular opinion, the way American football is currently played is more dangerous than MMA or boxing. You're generally not hit by one guy who's in your weight class. Whether it's a freak of a hit that stops your heart or continuous concussion after concussion, many players pay with their lives. Sometimes fans will cheer, did you see that tackle! It was amazing! Sure, that guy's helmet flew off and almost took his head! I can't watch football without cringing. Wish him fast recovery and hopefully it's not something genetic that can be retriggered.
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Unpopular opinion, the way American football is currently played is more dangerous than MMA or boxing. You're generally not hit by one guy who's in your weight class. Whether it's a freak of a hit that stops your heart or continuous concussion after concussion, many players pay with their lives. Sometimes fans will cheer, did you see that tackle! It was amazing! Sure, that guy's helmet flew off and almost took his head! I can't watch football without cringing. Wish him fast recovery and hopefully it's not something genetic that can be retriggered.
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Adrian
In the UK we had an incident in a premiership game, a player suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. Both teams medical staff did what they could, however by luck in the crowd was a heart specialist who assisted them and managed to restart his heart. This changed the preparedness of all within soccer, tragically on the street or at home this expert intervention is not always available. I also wonder that as he was a high end athlete, it gave him a better chance to recover. I wish him and his family my best wishes and prayers
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In the UK we had an incident in a premiership game, a player suffered cardiac arrest on the pitch. Both teams medical staff did what they could, however by luck in the crowd was a heart specialist who assisted them and managed to restart his heart. This changed the preparedness of all within soccer, tragically on the street or at home this expert intervention is not always available. I also wonder that as he was a high end athlete, it gave him a better chance to recover. I wish him and his family my best wishes and prayers
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AnonymousYouTubR
The given explanation is very strange considering they responded to him and are reportedly still treating him for pneumothorax. Not whatever we re getting told about unfortunate timing of the hit in correlation to the heart rhythm. It s basically just a 100kg+ player, lunging forward probably at 25km/hr it s more force than a battering ram. If it lands wrong on the chest, it s enough to cause a pneumothorax.
NFL is a dangerous sport. They really can t hide it anymore.
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The given explanation is very strange considering they responded to him and are reportedly still treating him for pneumothorax. Not whatever we re getting told about unfortunate timing of the hit in correlation to the heart rhythm. It s basically just a 100kg+ player, lunging forward probably at 25km/hr it s more force than a battering ram. If it lands wrong on the chest, it s enough to cause a pneumothorax.
NFL is a dangerous sport. They really can t hide it anymore.
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Jesse
In 2016 I ran the Quebec City half. It wasn t an easy course or weather conditions. The first 5 miles up to the bridge was a moderate incline, followed by one of the nastiest declines imaginable. Temperature went from 50 degrees to almost 75 and direct sun.
I saw 5 people giving cpr to a runner, who passed away. I remember being in shock, wondering how I could finish the last 4 miles.
These kind of things really hit home. Hope he improves
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In 2016 I ran the Quebec City half. It wasn t an easy course or weather conditions. The first 5 miles up to the bridge was a moderate incline, followed by one of the nastiest declines imaginable. Temperature went from 50 degrees to almost 75 and direct sun.
I saw 5 people giving cpr to a runner, who passed away. I remember being in shock, wondering how I could finish the last 4 miles.
These kind of things really hit home. Hope he improves
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Peter
I was 17 doing karate and went to the doctor 3 days later because I was feeling like I was coming down with a flu or something, after checking me out he noticed a bruise on my chest over my heart and I mention sparing and getting kick there doing karate and he rechecked my heart rhythm and told me that kick had briefly altered my heart beat for a few seconds because of the timing of the kick to the beat of my heart. It s all in the timing.
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I was 17 doing karate and went to the doctor 3 days later because I was feeling like I was coming down with a flu or something, after checking me out he noticed a bruise on my chest over my heart and I mention sparing and getting kick there doing karate and he rechecked my heart rhythm and told me that kick had briefly altered my heart beat for a few seconds because of the timing of the kick to the beat of my heart. It s all in the timing.
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