Sam Sulek: My Big Concern
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Date: 2023-09-01
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Morigu
I posted this in a reply below but the perceived risks/rewards is really skewed for young people. I mean you can see that Arnold, Lou Ferrigno and so many others survived to old age. For clarity: I don't see the point of PED's, but I've also never been a sport/fitness competitor. I think part of the lack of fear is you can see old bodybuilders that you know absolutely did bathtubs of the stuff, and they aren't in your face talking about side effects.
There's a definite survivor bias going on in the competitive fitness industry. The guys who had massive side effects trying to be Mr Olympia don't get coverage. The guys who trained like Arnold but did permanent muscle damage that even steroids couldn't heal are forgotten. All of them just quietly fade away, many just stop showing up at some local gym, or quietly stop taking PED's. At most you get occasional coverage of guys like Ronnie Coleman.
And the last thing is, not every bodybuilder who dies young dies from steroids. I've known of several people who had aneurisms in their early 20's who never came near a gym. One died, one took years to mostly recover. The fact that you can't exactly pinpoint a specific PED to a specific death like you can say Heroin OD's lets people argue the point to get whatever result they want. There will be no autopsy saying Jo Linder died of a 'specific XYZ PED'.
The only way to even slightly deter PED's is older heavy users talking regularly in fitness magazines, videos, etc. about what it did to them. And how many profit oriented media companies promoting fitness will really want to do bring people down regularly enough?
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I posted this in a reply below but the perceived risks/rewards is really skewed for young people. I mean you can see that Arnold, Lou Ferrigno and so many others survived to old age. For clarity: I don't see the point of PED's, but I've also never been a sport/fitness competitor. I think part of the lack of fear is you can see old bodybuilders that you know absolutely did bathtubs of the stuff, and they aren't in your face talking about side effects.
There's a definite survivor bias going on in the competitive fitness industry. The guys who had massive side effects trying to be Mr Olympia don't get coverage. The guys who trained like Arnold but did permanent muscle damage that even steroids couldn't heal are forgotten. All of them just quietly fade away, many just stop showing up at some local gym, or quietly stop taking PED's. At most you get occasional coverage of guys like Ronnie Coleman.
And the last thing is, not every bodybuilder who dies young dies from steroids. I've known of several people who had aneurisms in their early 20's who never came near a gym. One died, one took years to mostly recover. The fact that you can't exactly pinpoint a specific PED to a specific death like you can say Heroin OD's lets people argue the point to get whatever result they want. There will be no autopsy saying Jo Linder died of a 'specific XYZ PED'.
The only way to even slightly deter PED's is older heavy users talking regularly in fitness magazines, videos, etc. about what it did to them. And how many profit oriented media companies promoting fitness will really want to do bring people down regularly enough?
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MegaTeeruk
I am 47 now but ego lifted a lot when I was young. I have always been completely clean but was putting up serious numbers, 425 bench, 640 on squat, etc. It was all fine and good until I started to move into my 30s. Now, I have had two neck surgeries, left shoulder surgery, three elbow surgeries, five knee surgeries, and am now pending a right shoulder surgery and right foot surgery. I don't remember the last time I was not in some pain and I am constantly working around injuries now. Even though I am 47 my joints probably have 100 years of wear and tear on them. I am still in good shape and when I warn the younger guys at my gym about being smart now so they don't end up like me later they say things like you're still jacked that doesn't seem like a bad way to come out. Its like all they see is how I look. The fact that my joints are wrecked doesn't register with them. If you are a young lifter please stay out of the ego lifting, or else you can look back 20 to 30 years from now wishing you could take it all back.
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I am 47 now but ego lifted a lot when I was young. I have always been completely clean but was putting up serious numbers, 425 bench, 640 on squat, etc. It was all fine and good until I started to move into my 30s. Now, I have had two neck surgeries, left shoulder surgery, three elbow surgeries, five knee surgeries, and am now pending a right shoulder surgery and right foot surgery. I don't remember the last time I was not in some pain and I am constantly working around injuries now. Even though I am 47 my joints probably have 100 years of wear and tear on them. I am still in good shape and when I warn the younger guys at my gym about being smart now so they don't end up like me later they say things like you're still jacked that doesn't seem like a bad way to come out. Its like all they see is how I look. The fact that my joints are wrecked doesn't register with them. If you are a young lifter please stay out of the ego lifting, or else you can look back 20 to 30 years from now wishing you could take it all back.
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Two
There are so many interesting aspects to becoming a well rounded individual. muscle can be a part of that. My advice would be one word. balance. Youth should be a time of bringing out and refining natural strengths and abilities generally speaking, then as a person develops intellectually, they are more equipped to make better decisions for themselves. I stick to rockstar and reign drinks which contain a variety of different stimulating but also safe ingredients, whey protein shakes, great nutrition including omega 3 and vitamin D supplements. and creatine although I am currently looking for my natural peak in strength training before I begin to introduce creatine. everyone has there own method. this is mine. and it also includes a variety of different exercises on top of a well stretched and flexible body, not to mention cold hot exposure, breathing exercises etc. with all of these safe options and more, why do anything with a questionable risk reward profile at the younger ages. Thx.
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There are so many interesting aspects to becoming a well rounded individual. muscle can be a part of that. My advice would be one word. balance. Youth should be a time of bringing out and refining natural strengths and abilities generally speaking, then as a person develops intellectually, they are more equipped to make better decisions for themselves. I stick to rockstar and reign drinks which contain a variety of different stimulating but also safe ingredients, whey protein shakes, great nutrition including omega 3 and vitamin D supplements. and creatine although I am currently looking for my natural peak in strength training before I begin to introduce creatine. everyone has there own method. this is mine. and it also includes a variety of different exercises on top of a well stretched and flexible body, not to mention cold hot exposure, breathing exercises etc. with all of these safe options and more, why do anything with a questionable risk reward profile at the younger ages. Thx.
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Youssef
Hey Jeff, is it possible to cover the radial tunnel syndrome up next? And how to properly train with such injury? Or maybe even ways to fully recover from it?
I have been dealing with this injury for 5 months now, combined with bicep tendonitis, and it made me lose A LOT of muscles especially in my left arm. I have done plenty of physiotherapy sessions, from strengthening to mobility work to dry needling and finally to shock wave therapy. These sessions have helped tremendously with my tendonitis issue, and also with reducing the irritation/inflammation of the nerve in the radial tunnel. However, there is still a slight nagging pain in my forearm, accompanied by a limited range of motion of the left arm, that flares up if I overdo it whether with the pulling exercises or with the biceps curl.
I am not sure if you have covered this topic before, but I guess not? I would really appreciate it if you can cover it up next.
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Hey Jeff, is it possible to cover the radial tunnel syndrome up next? And how to properly train with such injury? Or maybe even ways to fully recover from it?
I have been dealing with this injury for 5 months now, combined with bicep tendonitis, and it made me lose A LOT of muscles especially in my left arm. I have done plenty of physiotherapy sessions, from strengthening to mobility work to dry needling and finally to shock wave therapy. These sessions have helped tremendously with my tendonitis issue, and also with reducing the irritation/inflammation of the nerve in the radial tunnel. However, there is still a slight nagging pain in my forearm, accompanied by a limited range of motion of the left arm, that flares up if I overdo it whether with the pulling exercises or with the biceps curl.
I am not sure if you have covered this topic before, but I guess not? I would really appreciate it if you can cover it up next.
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LouisWayne
This is so heart breaking to see that major influencers are not using their platform in a clean and positive way to help others. Thank you Jeff and Jesse for hitting the topics that a lot of people in this industry don t talk about because they are scared of losing followers and I have a huge respect for the way you teach all generations proper techniques and helpful healthy ways to improve peoples lives in a positive way. Coming from someone that is disabled I follow your videos and training very close because I worry about my health. Because of you Jeff I am getting stronger all the time because I stick with my training in a clean and correct way of training. Thank you so much for all of the videos that you put out there for us to learn from
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This is so heart breaking to see that major influencers are not using their platform in a clean and positive way to help others. Thank you Jeff and Jesse for hitting the topics that a lot of people in this industry don t talk about because they are scared of losing followers and I have a huge respect for the way you teach all generations proper techniques and helpful healthy ways to improve peoples lives in a positive way. Coming from someone that is disabled I follow your videos and training very close because I worry about my health. Because of you Jeff I am getting stronger all the time because I stick with my training in a clean and correct way of training. Thank you so much for all of the videos that you put out there for us to learn from
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athleanx
One thing I ve realized in the last couple of days is that explosive, heavy movements are a lot better to gain mass than strict form bodybuilding. I ve been working out for 10 years on and off, more on than off and it s been super hard to get big because of my genes (both parents are toothpicks, even in old age)
I realized that me keeping strict form and lower weight has really been holding me back. I just started using more body English and really exploding on the movement, since I ve been working out for a while I have decent mind muscle connection to know the limit of still hitting what needs to be worked.
Watching this guy, even though ROM is not the best, he s being explosive in his movements and obviously the size is there.
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One thing I ve realized in the last couple of days is that explosive, heavy movements are a lot better to gain mass than strict form bodybuilding. I ve been working out for 10 years on and off, more on than off and it s been super hard to get big because of my genes (both parents are toothpicks, even in old age)
I realized that me keeping strict form and lower weight has really been holding me back. I just started using more body English and really exploding on the movement, since I ve been working out for a while I have decent mind muscle connection to know the limit of still hitting what needs to be worked.
Watching this guy, even though ROM is not the best, he s being explosive in his movements and obviously the size is there.
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Thomas
In response to your Mentzer biceps video, I ve come across an ongoing debate about the close grip palms up pulldown. One side is saying that because of the fact that your shoulder is extending while your elbow is flexing, your bicep wouldn t be getting any activation due to the joint movements canceling out. The other side says that it s better for your bicep because more of the bicep s functions are at play. I currently think of it as a good exercise to bias the short head of my biceps, due to the former argument, but also wayyyyy better for reducing stress on my elbow than something like spider curls or concentration curls. Was wondering what your stance on this is.
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In response to your Mentzer biceps video, I ve come across an ongoing debate about the close grip palms up pulldown. One side is saying that because of the fact that your shoulder is extending while your elbow is flexing, your bicep wouldn t be getting any activation due to the joint movements canceling out. The other side says that it s better for your bicep because more of the bicep s functions are at play. I currently think of it as a good exercise to bias the short head of my biceps, due to the former argument, but also wayyyyy better for reducing stress on my elbow than something like spider curls or concentration curls. Was wondering what your stance on this is.
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Gil
We're so used to criticizing women's magazines and models for setting unrealistic expectations and focusing on external looks. the fitness industry, at its core, is about well being and improving your mental & physical health. PEDs are so far removed from the point. you wanna really 1-up someone that looks puffy from steroids? ignore that cuck and face the challenge of winning your own body with your own body. my heart is truly broken whenever i see someone flexing muscles that they borrowed from a needle, it's pathetic and leading the young impressionable trainees to do some life changing mistakes.
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We're so used to criticizing women's magazines and models for setting unrealistic expectations and focusing on external looks. the fitness industry, at its core, is about well being and improving your mental & physical health. PEDs are so far removed from the point. you wanna really 1-up someone that looks puffy from steroids? ignore that cuck and face the challenge of winning your own body with your own body. my heart is truly broken whenever i see someone flexing muscles that they borrowed from a needle, it's pathetic and leading the young impressionable trainees to do some life changing mistakes.
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Pete
I'm 60. When I started lifting in junior high, my buddy and I worshiped Arnold. At some point, we realized we couldn't look like him without taking steroids and we didn't want to do that. My friend entered a powerlifting competition in high school and even then, a 17 year old that won was on steroids. I agree that what works for one person may not work for you. I heard a saying that if we were all alike, we wouldn't need doctors just mechanics. Just look at allergies, some people have none, some a few, others have lots. Our bodies all respond differently. Cheers
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I'm 60. When I started lifting in junior high, my buddy and I worshiped Arnold. At some point, we realized we couldn't look like him without taking steroids and we didn't want to do that. My friend entered a powerlifting competition in high school and even then, a 17 year old that won was on steroids. I agree that what works for one person may not work for you. I heard a saying that if we were all alike, we wouldn't need doctors just mechanics. Just look at allergies, some people have none, some a few, others have lots. Our bodies all respond differently. Cheers
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jputnam1973
I'm 50. Some of his nutrition habits work and make sense and are aligned with science.
I also watched Phil Heath on with Chris Williamson talk about how he took less than most guys bc he wanted to have a foundation that was real & that he could fall back on if testing got strict.
I don't believe steroids are necessarily bad when take properly. I feel that they're illegal only bc the government wants us to be sick and fat and unhealthy to keep funneled into big pharma.
To each their own, so just be smart about it.
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I'm 50. Some of his nutrition habits work and make sense and are aligned with science.
I also watched Phil Heath on with Chris Williamson talk about how he took less than most guys bc he wanted to have a foundation that was real & that he could fall back on if testing got strict.
I don't believe steroids are necessarily bad when take properly. I feel that they're illegal only bc the government wants us to be sick and fat and unhealthy to keep funneled into big pharma.
To each their own, so just be smart about it.
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umainebearman
When most of a guys nutrition comes from a needle who is as popular as this Sulek guy he needs to be set as an example of what not to do and this kid is OBVIOUSLY doing A LOT of it. He's happy to be popular and thats all he cares about and stokes his ego and he'll pay for it soon enough. Importunately the people that idolize him aren't bright enough to care if something bad happens to him and a week after Sam is out of the spotlight his followers will forget about him and they'll move on.
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When most of a guys nutrition comes from a needle who is as popular as this Sulek guy he needs to be set as an example of what not to do and this kid is OBVIOUSLY doing A LOT of it. He's happy to be popular and thats all he cares about and stokes his ego and he'll pay for it soon enough. Importunately the people that idolize him aren't bright enough to care if something bad happens to him and a week after Sam is out of the spotlight his followers will forget about him and they'll move on.
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devin
You wanna do gear do gear. The dosage of test alone he is taking is prob in the range of 2000mg weekly. Then the Tren is it Tren A or Tren E. I am 52 cycle
200mg test E
100mg Masteron E
100 mg tren E
Weekly on a 20 week cycle. With blood work every 10 weeks. And yes i did abuse in my early year s. My wife loves this combo. yeah i could drop the tren but at 100mg of slow acting low dose naaa gives you that extra ummph and thanks for lots of info over the years Jeff.
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You wanna do gear do gear. The dosage of test alone he is taking is prob in the range of 2000mg weekly. Then the Tren is it Tren A or Tren E. I am 52 cycle
200mg test E
100mg Masteron E
100 mg tren E
Weekly on a 20 week cycle. With blood work every 10 weeks. And yes i did abuse in my early year s. My wife loves this combo. yeah i could drop the tren but at 100mg of slow acting low dose naaa gives you that extra ummph and thanks for lots of info over the years Jeff.
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100round
What s changed over the last few years that may be causing these sudden deaths with young male athletes? Hmm Well, I don t believe the P. E. D. use has increased so much that these increased number of early deaths should spike so incredibly high. What has changed is the huge number of forced protective medications that are being forced by our governments. Athletic men + travel restriction mandates = a greater risk of a tragic outcome. Just my thoughts.
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What s changed over the last few years that may be causing these sudden deaths with young male athletes? Hmm Well, I don t believe the P. E. D. use has increased so much that these increased number of early deaths should spike so incredibly high. What has changed is the huge number of forced protective medications that are being forced by our governments. Athletic men + travel restriction mandates = a greater risk of a tragic outcome. Just my thoughts.
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viktor
Aside from the performance enhancements he could be using, i think his youth and the human body's amazing adaptability at age 20 helps him get away with his many unorthodox methods of training. Anecdotally, many of us had the ability to party all weekend, drink and eat whatever junk we wished and manage to go to school and work the following week and get away with it because we were 20. Now, 1 day of excessive drinking puts behind my training by a week.
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Aside from the performance enhancements he could be using, i think his youth and the human body's amazing adaptability at age 20 helps him get away with his many unorthodox methods of training. Anecdotally, many of us had the ability to party all weekend, drink and eat whatever junk we wished and manage to go to school and work the following week and get away with it because we were 20. Now, 1 day of excessive drinking puts behind my training by a week.
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Joseph
I've got an idea for you guys that can help you attract a younger audience and spread your positive message. It's time for Batman to get a new Robin. Jesse has gone on to become Nightwing.
Find a chubby seventeen-year-old that's not athletic and creative like Jessie with making good videos and has a good personality and also has a desire to transform. Hire him to be part of the team, and train him over a period of years like you did Jesse.
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I've got an idea for you guys that can help you attract a younger audience and spread your positive message. It's time for Batman to get a new Robin. Jesse has gone on to become Nightwing.
Find a chubby seventeen-year-old that's not athletic and creative like Jessie with making good videos and has a good personality and also has a desire to transform. Hire him to be part of the team, and train him over a period of years like you did Jesse.
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J. D.
The only influencer anyone should follow is a professional on the topic in question. Example: I want to better my body, train more efficiently and maximize my efforts WITHOUT injury. So, i follow Athlean X, Jeff is a accredited professional and great at what he does.
Problem is all these kids are clueless nowadays. Its like the blind leading the blind saying they can see clearly what to do.
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The only influencer anyone should follow is a professional on the topic in question. Example: I want to better my body, train more efficiently and maximize my efforts WITHOUT injury. So, i follow Athlean X, Jeff is a accredited professional and great at what he does.
Problem is all these kids are clueless nowadays. Its like the blind leading the blind saying they can see clearly what to do.
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Einar
Well said, Jeff and Jesse, well said.
This is an incredibly important video, said in a diplomatic way, and so incredibly important. It is deeply disturbing to see PED's, classed as research chemicals pushed and sold, on social media platforms, this needs to stop. It is destroying an entire generation. These kids will not live past 35 without severe health problems.
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Well said, Jeff and Jesse, well said.
This is an incredibly important video, said in a diplomatic way, and so incredibly important. It is deeply disturbing to see PED's, classed as research chemicals pushed and sold, on social media platforms, this needs to stop. It is destroying an entire generation. These kids will not live past 35 without severe health problems.
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Stan
Everyone today, especially the young who can't put their phones down and can't steer away from social media is looking for the easy way out instead of grinding. I'm an ectomorph and I'm never going to have an endomorph or mesomorph type of physique. In my opinion, embrace what the good lord has given you, and don't try to be someone you're not.
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Everyone today, especially the young who can't put their phones down and can't steer away from social media is looking for the easy way out instead of grinding. I'm an ectomorph and I'm never going to have an endomorph or mesomorph type of physique. In my opinion, embrace what the good lord has given you, and don't try to be someone you're not.
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Will
I think the main takeaway or positive that people get from Sam is how much he preaches and demonstrates intensity. Contrast that with his very subdued and polite tone when he s talking and you have this really cool figure for young people. However, it is still entirely necessary to call out the flaws in his practices, because there are plenty.
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I think the main takeaway or positive that people get from Sam is how much he preaches and demonstrates intensity. Contrast that with his very subdued and polite tone when he s talking and you have this really cool figure for young people. However, it is still entirely necessary to call out the flaws in his practices, because there are plenty.
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