Was I Wrong About Sugar. Insulin? Addiction? Fructose? (My Response)
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Date: 2019-11-06
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bk_16
That is just flawed logic. You admit sugar makes food is highly palatable, but there are other palateble foods so sugar can't be blamed? Makes no sense. The logical thing would be to avoid those, too. Sugar is less addictive than heroine? Ok, but we don't put heroine in our food. Sugar DOES stimulate our reward system, it DOES trigger habit forming. There are even withdrawal symptoms like depression and ADHD-like symptoms. This is the reason why the food industry puts additional sugar or sweeteners in so many products. It is about the sweet taste, not the sugar itsself? Sugar DOES taste sweet. I have a suggestion: The next time you are cutting, restrict yourself to sugary foods and check how easy it is to stick to the calories. From your arguments, there should be no problem, right? Beyond the appetite/calories aspect, there are a lot of other good reasons to restrict sugar like inflammation, microbiome and diabetes, all mentioned in the comments below last video. This one sided, stubborn argument you are making feels really disappointing to me, because that means i can't trust you on other issues anymore either.
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That is just flawed logic. You admit sugar makes food is highly palatable, but there are other palateble foods so sugar can't be blamed? Makes no sense. The logical thing would be to avoid those, too. Sugar is less addictive than heroine? Ok, but we don't put heroine in our food. Sugar DOES stimulate our reward system, it DOES trigger habit forming. There are even withdrawal symptoms like depression and ADHD-like symptoms. This is the reason why the food industry puts additional sugar or sweeteners in so many products. It is about the sweet taste, not the sugar itsself? Sugar DOES taste sweet. I have a suggestion: The next time you are cutting, restrict yourself to sugary foods and check how easy it is to stick to the calories. From your arguments, there should be no problem, right? Beyond the appetite/calories aspect, there are a lot of other good reasons to restrict sugar like inflammation, microbiome and diabetes, all mentioned in the comments below last video. This one sided, stubborn argument you are making feels really disappointing to me, because that means i can't trust you on other issues anymore either.
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Marius Olsson
Interesting thoughts for sure on the original video. I'd love to hear your thoughts on artificial sweeteners vs sugar. And as such, what I've heard is that the body responds in the same way when tasting something sweet with artificial sweeteners, as with sugar. The body allegedly then starts a craving for foods with sugar, as it hasn't received what was promised by your taste buds. So if a person who drank two liters of pepsi switched to pepsi max, as good as the intentions might have been, it might result in them eating more of other foods as a consequence, resulting in no real difference in fat loss. I'd love a myth buster or a vlog on this subject for sure. And also if artificial sweeteners really pose any real risk for cancer or not. What I've heard is that the amount of artificial sweetener required to put you at real risk for cancer would be almost impossible to ingest in a day. But I'd love to hear your views on that subject too. Love what you do, Jeff. Keep rockin
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Interesting thoughts for sure on the original video. I'd love to hear your thoughts on artificial sweeteners vs sugar. And as such, what I've heard is that the body responds in the same way when tasting something sweet with artificial sweeteners, as with sugar. The body allegedly then starts a craving for foods with sugar, as it hasn't received what was promised by your taste buds. So if a person who drank two liters of pepsi switched to pepsi max, as good as the intentions might have been, it might result in them eating more of other foods as a consequence, resulting in no real difference in fat loss. I'd love a myth buster or a vlog on this subject for sure. And also if artificial sweeteners really pose any real risk for cancer or not. What I've heard is that the amount of artificial sweetener required to put you at real risk for cancer would be almost impossible to ingest in a day. But I'd love to hear your views on that subject too. Love what you do, Jeff. Keep rockin
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Mike Duncan
I think the addiction of sugar is really the blood sugar going into a hypoglycemic state, making the body crave dietary glucose before it has to release glycogen. Our bodies want to survive in the least caloric taxing way possible. It's far less taxing to consume dietary glucose than it is to produce and release a series of hormones such as glucagon to release liver glycogen and HGH to protect muscle tissue and dietary protein from being subject to gluconeogenesis. I find it much better to just eat good carbs, (no sugar) such as sweet potatoes, greens, low sugar oatmeal, etc, way later after eating fat. Example: I like to eat my dietary fats (avocados and salmon) around noonish, lift around 4-6pm, then eat the rest of my protein and all my carbs post work out. This way, my most of my dietary fats have been used for their purposes, and my carbs will fill glycogen stores, drive down cortisol, and won't clash with any fats.
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I think the addiction of sugar is really the blood sugar going into a hypoglycemic state, making the body crave dietary glucose before it has to release glycogen. Our bodies want to survive in the least caloric taxing way possible. It's far less taxing to consume dietary glucose than it is to produce and release a series of hormones such as glucagon to release liver glycogen and HGH to protect muscle tissue and dietary protein from being subject to gluconeogenesis. I find it much better to just eat good carbs, (no sugar) such as sweet potatoes, greens, low sugar oatmeal, etc, way later after eating fat. Example: I like to eat my dietary fats (avocados and salmon) around noonish, lift around 4-6pm, then eat the rest of my protein and all my carbs post work out. This way, my most of my dietary fats have been used for their purposes, and my carbs will fill glycogen stores, drive down cortisol, and won't clash with any fats.
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Kyle Olin
The problem with sugar is its overabundance in foods. Go to the grocery store and see how much junk calories a majority of foods have. It's not just processed sugar, but also processed fats that are making us sick. We are reaching caloric surpluses without the added nutrients, and that is a problem. This is exacerbated by the fact that simple carbs are easy to pile on, are convenient, and are most definitely addictive. They give you an energy rush, but then you crash and need more. I have really noticed this after weaning myself off of processed crap, then occasionally eating some. That being said, I don't think you can easily eat too much whole fruits, or complex carbs. Whole vegetables and grass fed meats are good. I have a feeling that milk would be far better for us if it was not pasteurized, as all of the nutritional benefits are taken away. Long story short? Processed foods are killing us, not fat, sugar, etc.
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The problem with sugar is its overabundance in foods. Go to the grocery store and see how much junk calories a majority of foods have. It's not just processed sugar, but also processed fats that are making us sick. We are reaching caloric surpluses without the added nutrients, and that is a problem. This is exacerbated by the fact that simple carbs are easy to pile on, are convenient, and are most definitely addictive. They give you an energy rush, but then you crash and need more. I have really noticed this after weaning myself off of processed crap, then occasionally eating some. That being said, I don't think you can easily eat too much whole fruits, or complex carbs. Whole vegetables and grass fed meats are good. I have a feeling that milk would be far better for us if it was not pasteurized, as all of the nutritional benefits are taken away. Long story short? Processed foods are killing us, not fat, sugar, etc.
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Ellie Marie
Sugar itself is addicting. When I was bedridden in hospital, I would collect the little sugar packages that came with breakfast and dinner for the tea or coffee. I didn't want to consume that sugar, but since I was stuck there, I wanted to keep them to play around with the packages. This went on for some time until I opened one, because I was feeling really bad and I was hooked. I ate that sugar pure and I was for sure addicted to it. That was a pretty rare experience. The reason that sugar is more often eaten inside of complexer foods is that it a tastes better, b is accessible, c is socially acceptable and d isn't as obvious how much is in the product. That's not really an argument against sugar being not as addictive. The lab rats that were tested whether they would rather take in cocain or sugar also didn't have a cake. They only had sugary water.
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Sugar itself is addicting. When I was bedridden in hospital, I would collect the little sugar packages that came with breakfast and dinner for the tea or coffee. I didn't want to consume that sugar, but since I was stuck there, I wanted to keep them to play around with the packages. This went on for some time until I opened one, because I was feeling really bad and I was hooked. I ate that sugar pure and I was for sure addicted to it. That was a pretty rare experience. The reason that sugar is more often eaten inside of complexer foods is that it a tastes better, b is accessible, c is socially acceptable and d isn't as obvious how much is in the product. That's not really an argument against sugar being not as addictive. The lab rats that were tested whether they would rather take in cocain or sugar also didn't have a cake. They only had sugary water.
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Brandon Case
Check out Dr. Rosedales work with diabetics regarding insulin resistance and lowering A1C counts in diabetics via low glycemic diets. Also of note, the viewers youre hoping to benefit dont live in a vacuum; if sugar is consumed compulsively within the context of its abundant prevalence (frequently as the most available coping stimulant, it doesnt really matter if it bears the hallmark features of a substance addiction. In context it drives behavior, which is really the end point to which youre speaking, I assume. Labeling it as unequivocally safe is only enabling those that abuse it. Even if it isnt an innately toxic substance, avoiding hyper-sensory foods (and the resultant flood of habit-forming dopamine, is still probably wise for the vast majority of our population that is largely sedentary (a sizable amount of whom are ingesting your content.
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Check out Dr. Rosedales work with diabetics regarding insulin resistance and lowering A1C counts in diabetics via low glycemic diets. Also of note, the viewers youre hoping to benefit dont live in a vacuum; if sugar is consumed compulsively within the context of its abundant prevalence (frequently as the most available coping stimulant, it doesnt really matter if it bears the hallmark features of a substance addiction. In context it drives behavior, which is really the end point to which youre speaking, I assume. Labeling it as unequivocally safe is only enabling those that abuse it. Even if it isnt an innately toxic substance, avoiding hyper-sensory foods (and the resultant flood of habit-forming dopamine, is still probably wise for the vast majority of our population that is largely sedentary (a sizable amount of whom are ingesting your content.
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Iron X
Jeff is like Aristotle, who used to walk and talk, covering important topics with his students. Clever nuanced points regarding the taste of sugary foods. Undeniably though, that to-die-for taste is a biggie, and hard for many people across the globe to resist regularly. Finally, what is rarely discussed are the dangers of sugar on oxidation. Sugars, unlike proteins or fats, cause an oxidative burst. This damages cells of any kind. If you have your sugars with anti-oxidants, this is reduced or blocked. Most people dont eat these types of (naturally occurring) sugars. Training already creates oxidation, and only some of this causes a healthy adaptive response by some cells (e. g. mitochondria in exercised muscles. If you eat poor quality carbs around training - as many people think they can - you will age and injure, fast indeed. Something to consider.
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Jeff is like Aristotle, who used to walk and talk, covering important topics with his students. Clever nuanced points regarding the taste of sugary foods. Undeniably though, that to-die-for taste is a biggie, and hard for many people across the globe to resist regularly. Finally, what is rarely discussed are the dangers of sugar on oxidation. Sugars, unlike proteins or fats, cause an oxidative burst. This damages cells of any kind. If you have your sugars with anti-oxidants, this is reduced or blocked. Most people dont eat these types of (naturally occurring) sugars. Training already creates oxidation, and only some of this causes a healthy adaptive response by some cells (e. g. mitochondria in exercised muscles. If you eat poor quality carbs around training - as many people think they can - you will age and injure, fast indeed. Something to consider.
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Eitan Ben Dor
This video is better but has problems: 1)Jeff repeating the red herring that sugar alone causes obesity. We know it's multi-factorial. 2) Giving short shrift to Hepatic (liver) insulin resistance which is strongly correlated to elevated fructose consumption and is very closely associated with type 2 diabetes and obesity (see Fung, Lustig. The mythbusting video should have been called can I eat that ice cream cake? Are you metabolically healthy, physically active and at a healthy weight? Yeah sure, knock yourself out, eat the whole cake for all I care, just don't make a habit out of it. The problem is most people on the standard American diet can't check all those boxes and they make a habit out of consuming products with added sugar. So the enabling tone of the mythbust video was awful, and this addendum video does little to make up for it.
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This video is better but has problems: 1)Jeff repeating the red herring that sugar alone causes obesity. We know it's multi-factorial. 2) Giving short shrift to Hepatic (liver) insulin resistance which is strongly correlated to elevated fructose consumption and is very closely associated with type 2 diabetes and obesity (see Fung, Lustig. The mythbusting video should have been called can I eat that ice cream cake? Are you metabolically healthy, physically active and at a healthy weight? Yeah sure, knock yourself out, eat the whole cake for all I care, just don't make a habit out of it. The problem is most people on the standard American diet can't check all those boxes and they make a habit out of consuming products with added sugar. So the enabling tone of the mythbust video was awful, and this addendum video does little to make up for it.
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C C
Don't know what you do for a living but it's obviously not working with diabetics. Type II diabetes is the result of insulin desensitization where the bodies cells are constantly bombarded by insulin over the years and they eventually tune it out (so to speak. The driver of insulin production is blood glucose levels. All carbohydrates (complex or simple) are broken down into glucose by the body. The body can make it's own glucose (gluconeogenesis) but it's not much. Eating excess protein can lead to conversion to glucose but it requires eating a lot of protein. Protein is far more expensive then carbohydrates (bread, sugar, pasta, snacks, sodas. Most people in North America can afford carbs easier than protein. Thus you see far more obesity rates among the poor compared to upper classes. Dude, you are way wrong.
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Don't know what you do for a living but it's obviously not working with diabetics. Type II diabetes is the result of insulin desensitization where the bodies cells are constantly bombarded by insulin over the years and they eventually tune it out (so to speak. The driver of insulin production is blood glucose levels. All carbohydrates (complex or simple) are broken down into glucose by the body. The body can make it's own glucose (gluconeogenesis) but it's not much. Eating excess protein can lead to conversion to glucose but it requires eating a lot of protein. Protein is far more expensive then carbohydrates (bread, sugar, pasta, snacks, sodas. Most people in North America can afford carbs easier than protein. Thus you see far more obesity rates among the poor compared to upper classes. Dude, you are way wrong.
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