Bro Science vs Real Science (New Training Controversies) ft. The Glute Guy
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Date: 2019-11-06
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Jussi
The biggest problem I've had as a physiotherapist is the evidence based doctrine we have. In school you're told A) You have to use scientifically proven methods and B) Every person is an individual. How they get the scientific data is they standardize an approach and apply to to a whole bunch of people at once, so there's no variation between individuals. Then they conclude, well, you know, this is shit because half the people didn't progress as much. Then you have clients with whom you try all sorts of witch doctor things and they work like magic. What Bret said in the end about experimenting is so true. Yes, you have science, but take it with a grain of salt, test, try, see what happens, that's the only way to really find the best solution for you.
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The biggest problem I've had as a physiotherapist is the evidence based doctrine we have. In school you're told A) You have to use scientifically proven methods and B) Every person is an individual. How they get the scientific data is they standardize an approach and apply to to a whole bunch of people at once, so there's no variation between individuals. Then they conclude, well, you know, this is shit because half the people didn't progress as much. Then you have clients with whom you try all sorts of witch doctor things and they work like magic. What Bret said in the end about experimenting is so true. Yes, you have science, but take it with a grain of salt, test, try, see what happens, that's the only way to really find the best solution for you.
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Zander J. Drosos
Hello Jeff, in minute 19: 00 you say that you would have wanted an experiment like that o a lesser trained guy. I would like to inform you that I advised one of my athletes to not touch a barbell for 2 months, no hip thrusts no barbell work at all. Only leg press, back extensions, leg curls, leg extensions, no ab work. We are talking about a guy with 2-3 years of Squats & Deadlifts and around 400 Wilks score 78kgs. He experienced a drop of around 10% in all three Powerlifts, while not literally using a barbell. I am sure that the strength will come right back up in a month or so. He is feeling NO PAIN AT ALL. He also has build some muscle. This is all the info I got right now. Thank you for the quality uploads
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Hello Jeff, in minute 19: 00 you say that you would have wanted an experiment like that o a lesser trained guy. I would like to inform you that I advised one of my athletes to not touch a barbell for 2 months, no hip thrusts no barbell work at all. Only leg press, back extensions, leg curls, leg extensions, no ab work. We are talking about a guy with 2-3 years of Squats & Deadlifts and around 400 Wilks score 78kgs. He experienced a drop of around 10% in all three Powerlifts, while not literally using a barbell. I am sure that the strength will come right back up in a month or so. He is feeling NO PAIN AT ALL. He also has build some muscle. This is all the info I got right now. Thank you for the quality uploads
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Jeff Nippard
New interview with Dr. Contreras Timestamps below. Enjoy0: 00 - Intro9: 20 Smith machine vs standard barbell movements11: 25 Can you maintain squat strength without squatting? 22: 44 - Are squats and deadlifts more dangerous? 28: 01 - Mind muscle connection: Science or bro-science? 45: 38 - Is EMG a valid tool for activation/hypertrophy? 1: 03: 02 Should we train to failure? 1: 10: 16 Do metabolic stress and muscle damage cause hypertrophy? Or does only tension matter? 1: 20: 20 - New training volume research: IS 30-45 sets per week really best for growth? 1: 32: 35 The 12 minute arm workout (extreme)All of my interviews are available on The Jeff Nippard Podcast as well. Peace
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New interview with Dr. Contreras Timestamps below. Enjoy0: 00 - Intro9: 20 Smith machine vs standard barbell movements11: 25 Can you maintain squat strength without squatting? 22: 44 - Are squats and deadlifts more dangerous? 28: 01 - Mind muscle connection: Science or bro-science? 45: 38 - Is EMG a valid tool for activation/hypertrophy? 1: 03: 02 Should we train to failure? 1: 10: 16 Do metabolic stress and muscle damage cause hypertrophy? Or does only tension matter? 1: 20: 20 - New training volume research: IS 30-45 sets per week really best for growth? 1: 32: 35 The 12 minute arm workout (extreme)All of my interviews are available on The Jeff Nippard Podcast as well. Peace
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Greg Bernard
Jeff, can you explain protein muscle synthesis. I mean why don't you continually grow and grow with workouts. It seems like protein muscle synthesis is somewhat of bro-science when people say protein muscle synthesis last for 24-72 hours after a workout. Like I want to see science behind how much muscle is broken down per day and how much protein is actually needed and how much is excreted etc. etc. How much albumin in the blood after eating and after working out. I would like to see that science because protein muscle synthesis is bro-science and I am calling out a lack of science on this term when other people say it.
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Jeff, can you explain protein muscle synthesis. I mean why don't you continually grow and grow with workouts. It seems like protein muscle synthesis is somewhat of bro-science when people say protein muscle synthesis last for 24-72 hours after a workout. Like I want to see science behind how much muscle is broken down per day and how much protein is actually needed and how much is excreted etc. etc. How much albumin in the blood after eating and after working out. I would like to see that science because protein muscle synthesis is bro-science and I am calling out a lack of science on this term when other people say it.
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Matthew Liu
When using EMG readings, wouldn't it make more sense to use a derivate over time, or the area under the curve, to take into account the EMG amplitude, time under tension, the number of reps, and the quality of reps? When you compare the amplitude of a light-weight exercise to a heavy-weight exercise, the heavy-weight exercise will obviously cause a greater EMG amplitude, as you are only comparing that single rep, but not the entire set. One rep at a heavier weight will require more work, in regards to physics, than a single rep at a lighter weight, but usually, we are not only lifting these weights once
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When using EMG readings, wouldn't it make more sense to use a derivate over time, or the area under the curve, to take into account the EMG amplitude, time under tension, the number of reps, and the quality of reps? When you compare the amplitude of a light-weight exercise to a heavy-weight exercise, the heavy-weight exercise will obviously cause a greater EMG amplitude, as you are only comparing that single rep, but not the entire set. One rep at a heavier weight will require more work, in regards to physics, than a single rep at a lighter weight, but usually, we are not only lifting these weights once
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Bambi Able
I been in and out on this video but on EMG, I do not think there should be any real controversy. Regardless of the individual persons ability to make that muscle bigger, if that persons EMG shows 90% activation then that muscle has contracted very strongly for that person. Now, how much will that muscle grow on that person. well there is genetics, food intake, cellular physiological differences, effects of medications on the pathways of hypertrophy and even how that person 'feels' [mentally] towards their muscles becoming larger.
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I been in and out on this video but on EMG, I do not think there should be any real controversy. Regardless of the individual persons ability to make that muscle bigger, if that persons EMG shows 90% activation then that muscle has contracted very strongly for that person. Now, how much will that muscle grow on that person. well there is genetics, food intake, cellular physiological differences, effects of medications on the pathways of hypertrophy and even how that person 'feels' [mentally] towards their muscles becoming larger.
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Kelechi Thaddeus Opara
Read HumanEngine Book. Muscle damage doesn't cause hypertrophy. When you look back at the studies and the method of determining hypertrophy. The results were read incorrectly. Edema was confused for hypertrophy. fMRI results were read incorrectly. Myofibrillar Protein synthesis that occurred after training was confused for hypertrophy. However what was actually occurring was model remodeling myofibrils built in series and not hypertrophy myofibrils built in parallel. For more read the book HumanEngine IGK. op. ar. a
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Read HumanEngine Book. Muscle damage doesn't cause hypertrophy. When you look back at the studies and the method of determining hypertrophy. The results were read incorrectly. Edema was confused for hypertrophy. fMRI results were read incorrectly. Myofibrillar Protein synthesis that occurred after training was confused for hypertrophy. However what was actually occurring was model remodeling myofibrils built in series and not hypertrophy myofibrils built in parallel. For more read the book HumanEngine IGK. op. ar. a
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Young Boy Dan
I follow Bret on Instagram which is what brought me to this video. Huge props to Jeff for his interviewing skills. Specifically, not feeling the need to interject while Bret was talking with agreeing sounds or other annoying things unskilled interviewers usually do that completely take away from the message of the guest. In almost every type of interview, I am beyond annoyed by hearing the interviewer mmhmm and yeah and worse yet, interject their own stories. Many thanks, Jeff Ill be subscribing: )
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I follow Bret on Instagram which is what brought me to this video. Huge props to Jeff for his interviewing skills. Specifically, not feeling the need to interject while Bret was talking with agreeing sounds or other annoying things unskilled interviewers usually do that completely take away from the message of the guest. In almost every type of interview, I am beyond annoyed by hearing the interviewer mmhmm and yeah and worse yet, interject their own stories. Many thanks, Jeff Ill be subscribing: )
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Tom Glazier
Great conversation Jeff. I wanted to ask, when you guys are mentioning 'training to failure' (excluding some big moves like the squat/deadlift obviously) are you simply referring to failing concentrically by yourself or are we talking true failure or exhaustion (incorporating forced concentrics, assisted eccentrics, isometrics etc) indicative of Yates' training? I'd like to think the term 'training to failure' is a bigger umbrella than most think? Thanks in advance
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Great conversation Jeff. I wanted to ask, when you guys are mentioning 'training to failure' (excluding some big moves like the squat/deadlift obviously) are you simply referring to failing concentrically by yourself or are we talking true failure or exhaustion (incorporating forced concentrics, assisted eccentrics, isometrics etc) indicative of Yates' training? I'd like to think the term 'training to failure' is a bigger umbrella than most think? Thanks in advance
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