2019 Mazda CX-5 Diesel - Its FINALLY Here
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Date: 2019-05-30
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Matthew Gaines
The price simply isnt right. A forced purchase into a top trim (which I wouldve done anyway) with a 4, 000 increase on top of that will insure that all the money and time spent certifying this engine will be non-recoverable. Youll never sell enough of them to justify the effort. These arent F-150s where there are people willing to spend 50k-70k for loaded out trucks. Nor will enough luxury shoppers fill the showrooms to take up the slack. The compact CUV market isnt that lucrative. If you couldnt do it for 1/2 that (2, 000, it wouldve made more sense to kill off the effort entirely. Someone in marketing shouldve given engineering a target cost. If you cant get it done under that number, stop. I wondered why it took Mazda so long to make an EPA certified diesel. Maybe they were fighting their conscience for putting out such a hard cost proposition to justify. There really wasnt any need to feel guilty because I think few are willing to pay that price anyway. Problem solved. Like diesels but this one is a little too pricey to be competitive. Good luck with it.
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The price simply isnt right. A forced purchase into a top trim (which I wouldve done anyway) with a 4, 000 increase on top of that will insure that all the money and time spent certifying this engine will be non-recoverable. Youll never sell enough of them to justify the effort. These arent F-150s where there are people willing to spend 50k-70k for loaded out trucks. Nor will enough luxury shoppers fill the showrooms to take up the slack. The compact CUV market isnt that lucrative. If you couldnt do it for 1/2 that (2, 000, it wouldve made more sense to kill off the effort entirely. Someone in marketing shouldve given engineering a target cost. If you cant get it done under that number, stop. I wondered why it took Mazda so long to make an EPA certified diesel. Maybe they were fighting their conscience for putting out such a hard cost proposition to justify. There really wasnt any need to feel guilty because I think few are willing to pay that price anyway. Problem solved. Like diesels but this one is a little too pricey to be competitive. Good luck with it.
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Stephen Hendricks
As others have noted Mazdas decision to release a diesel engine in the US is puzzling. Unlike most parts of the world diesels have never been popular for passenger vehicles in the US and the popularity they did enjoy was more or less destroyed by Dieselgate. Both Hyundai and KIA canceled plans to offer diesel versions of their (smaller) midsize SUVs (Sorento and Santa Fe) despite the fact that diesel Sorentos are more popular in many markets (e. g. Australia, Europe) than gasoline versions. VW, of course, has abandoned any pretense of selling diesels in North America and Mercedes Benz dropped plans to send several diesel models to the US in 2017. Mazdas own diesels are also popular outside North America so perhaps Mazda is just testing the waters in the hope that the US market is ready to look at diesels again. Otherwise, the only rationale I can imagine is that Mazda hopes to score some points in terms of their fleets CAFE ratings.
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As others have noted Mazdas decision to release a diesel engine in the US is puzzling. Unlike most parts of the world diesels have never been popular for passenger vehicles in the US and the popularity they did enjoy was more or less destroyed by Dieselgate. Both Hyundai and KIA canceled plans to offer diesel versions of their (smaller) midsize SUVs (Sorento and Santa Fe) despite the fact that diesel Sorentos are more popular in many markets (e. g. Australia, Europe) than gasoline versions. VW, of course, has abandoned any pretense of selling diesels in North America and Mercedes Benz dropped plans to send several diesel models to the US in 2017. Mazdas own diesels are also popular outside North America so perhaps Mazda is just testing the waters in the hope that the US market is ready to look at diesels again. Otherwise, the only rationale I can imagine is that Mazda hopes to score some points in terms of their fleets CAFE ratings.
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SandInMyShorts
Some of the comments on here must be made by people whove never owned a diesel vehicle or dont understand them. A lot of people buying the VW TDIs didnt have a clue what they were doing. They were seeing the words CLEAN DIESEL and jumping on the bandwagon. 1. You BUY a diesel car, you dont lease one. To get the benefit you need to drive the piss out of it and rack on serious miles. Diesel engines dont break in until at least 50k on the odo. So leasing is out. 2. Diesel engines HATE stop / start short driving. Getting a diesel engine hot over long drives is where they shine. Thats where you get the most reliability and MPGs. 3. BUYING a diesel car is a investment. Follow the above steps and youll see a return on that 4k price tag. Plus therell be plenty of life left in the car when the warranty is long gone. Even with the EPA regs, new diesels can still be just as reliable as the old. You just have to know what youre doing.
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Some of the comments on here must be made by people whove never owned a diesel vehicle or dont understand them. A lot of people buying the VW TDIs didnt have a clue what they were doing. They were seeing the words CLEAN DIESEL and jumping on the bandwagon. 1. You BUY a diesel car, you dont lease one. To get the benefit you need to drive the piss out of it and rack on serious miles. Diesel engines dont break in until at least 50k on the odo. So leasing is out. 2. Diesel engines HATE stop / start short driving. Getting a diesel engine hot over long drives is where they shine. Thats where you get the most reliability and MPGs. 3. BUYING a diesel car is a investment. Follow the above steps and youll see a return on that 4k price tag. Plus therell be plenty of life left in the car when the warranty is long gone. Even with the EPA regs, new diesels can still be just as reliable as the old. You just have to know what youre doing.
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alliejr
Everyone is whining that it wont save you money. No, it wont. You are correct. But if you thought it would, you havent been paying attention to every diesel offered in the U. S. forever. Diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline in the U. S. This has always been the case. Diesel engine options are more expensive to buy than their gasoline counterparts in the U. S. This has always been the case. The only reason to beg for diesel options in the U. S. is if you want to USE less fuel, not PAY less for fuel. Also, the diesel motor will last forever. (The same tired argument of it doesnt make sense to pay more for slightly better fuel economy has also been made when manufacturers offer a hybrid option at a premium to the standard gasoline offering. Again, its about USING less fuel, not PAYING less for fuel. And since there is a finite amount of fuel on this planet, using less is a good thing.
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Everyone is whining that it wont save you money. No, it wont. You are correct. But if you thought it would, you havent been paying attention to every diesel offered in the U. S. forever. Diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline in the U. S. This has always been the case. Diesel engine options are more expensive to buy than their gasoline counterparts in the U. S. This has always been the case. The only reason to beg for diesel options in the U. S. is if you want to USE less fuel, not PAY less for fuel. Also, the diesel motor will last forever. (The same tired argument of it doesnt make sense to pay more for slightly better fuel economy has also been made when manufacturers offer a hybrid option at a premium to the standard gasoline offering. Again, its about USING less fuel, not PAYING less for fuel. And since there is a finite amount of fuel on this planet, using less is a good thing.
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Cosmo Strangelove
I work at a Mazda Dealership and I will tell you right now no one will be buying one of these at all. We will probably only order one just because we have too. And it will sit. What a lame ass engine. We have waited years for it. Years ago we would have the occasional weirdo coming in asking about when the Diesel engine was going to arrive but they were far and few between. And that was back in 2012 when they promised everyone it was coming. At the time it would of been kinda neat but we werent too excited for it then either. Now with the major price increase and the Turbo 2. 5 engine as standard in the Signature and Reserve model why would you even want to consider a slow tractor motor for more money. Hilarious.
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I work at a Mazda Dealership and I will tell you right now no one will be buying one of these at all. We will probably only order one just because we have too. And it will sit. What a lame ass engine. We have waited years for it. Years ago we would have the occasional weirdo coming in asking about when the Diesel engine was going to arrive but they were far and few between. And that was back in 2012 when they promised everyone it was coming. At the time it would of been kinda neat but we werent too excited for it then either. Now with the major price increase and the Turbo 2. 5 engine as standard in the Signature and Reserve model why would you even want to consider a slow tractor motor for more money. Hilarious.
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D LG
Im sure this will do at least 30 mpg in the real world. Ive owned a couple diesels and they both beat the EPA rating by at least 10+ percent. I do love the characteristics of a diesel engine, but the premium price and the possibility of reliability issues with the high tech emissions systems that are in all modern diesels, it probably wouldnt be my choice. If I was buying a CX-5, Id most likely go with the 2. 5T. If it had more torque than the 2. 5, itd be a different story.
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Im sure this will do at least 30 mpg in the real world. Ive owned a couple diesels and they both beat the EPA rating by at least 10+ percent. I do love the characteristics of a diesel engine, but the premium price and the possibility of reliability issues with the high tech emissions systems that are in all modern diesels, it probably wouldnt be my choice. If I was buying a CX-5, Id most likely go with the 2. 5T. If it had more torque than the 2. 5, itd be a different story.
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tjs114
That isnt an economically logical purchase. 4mpg at 4000. Then, for example, where I live the diesel is currently 35 cents a gallon more than gasoline; well I cant even begin to forecast how long youd have to keep that thing before it pays back the additional expense of the diesel. And is it a urea-based diesel where you have to refill that as well? That gets expensive too. So, basically far too little, too late and too expensive Mazda.
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That isnt an economically logical purchase. 4mpg at 4000. Then, for example, where I live the diesel is currently 35 cents a gallon more than gasoline; well I cant even begin to forecast how long youd have to keep that thing before it pays back the additional expense of the diesel. And is it a urea-based diesel where you have to refill that as well? That gets expensive too. So, basically far too little, too late and too expensive Mazda.
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mklphoto
If you get the gas 2. 5 turbo, you will probably end up buying premium gas to get the most out of it. That puts you in the same price range as diesel fuel in lots of places. Based on my past TDI experience, this diesel will probably end up getting close to 40 mpg Highway real world cruising. Especially the Mazda 6, with its more aero body. Almost 300 ft lbs of torque is nothing to sneeze at either.
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If you get the gas 2. 5 turbo, you will probably end up buying premium gas to get the most out of it. That puts you in the same price range as diesel fuel in lots of places. Based on my past TDI experience, this diesel will probably end up getting close to 40 mpg Highway real world cruising. Especially the Mazda 6, with its more aero body. Almost 300 ft lbs of torque is nothing to sneeze at either.
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mrfreddie04p
No, it is not worth it. Diesel fuel tends to be more expensive, the purchase price of the vehicle is very high, and I do not even want to think about the repair costs of a twin-turbo diesel engine (considering less than steller history of mazda diesel engines. And one more thing, does it have a DPF (diesel particulate filter? These things are absurdly expensive to replace.
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No, it is not worth it. Diesel fuel tends to be more expensive, the purchase price of the vehicle is very high, and I do not even want to think about the repair costs of a twin-turbo diesel engine (considering less than steller history of mazda diesel engines. And one more thing, does it have a DPF (diesel particulate filter? These things are absurdly expensive to replace.
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