Tesla: What They Get Right & What They Get Wrong
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Date: 2020-05-29
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Barry
Decent overall review. You missed a point about how Tesla's Supercharger network is so superior because it does not require an app nor a key fob nor swiping a credit card: it just works when you plug in your car. This is a HUGELY important feature. You are wrong about the J1772 standard - people are used to apple connectors vs USB - it's not a big deal - and Tesla's connector is just better. Tesla has no demand issue, so I don't think the lack of J1772 port is keeping buyers away. You are also wrong about range. 250 miles is plenty of range. People need to stop to pee, eat, or stretch, so almost nobody needs a 400 mile car of any fuel type. It's the same reason someone buys a Land Rover to fjord a stream - it just almost never happens. This a straw man argument because 99% of the time, people are not taking long road trips. I have a 125 mile e-Golf and I take long trips requiring charging on the route (pre-pandemic) twice a year - I don't need even a 250 mile car for this twice yearly trip, especially when there are DCFCs on my route. Teslas are certainly not perfect, but they have a lot going for them. I would not buy one myself since I like knobs and buttons and they are too expensive and don't fit in my garage. But when I get another EV I really need it have Plug&Charge.
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Decent overall review. You missed a point about how Tesla's Supercharger network is so superior because it does not require an app nor a key fob nor swiping a credit card: it just works when you plug in your car. This is a HUGELY important feature. You are wrong about the J1772 standard - people are used to apple connectors vs USB - it's not a big deal - and Tesla's connector is just better. Tesla has no demand issue, so I don't think the lack of J1772 port is keeping buyers away. You are also wrong about range. 250 miles is plenty of range. People need to stop to pee, eat, or stretch, so almost nobody needs a 400 mile car of any fuel type. It's the same reason someone buys a Land Rover to fjord a stream - it just almost never happens. This a straw man argument because 99% of the time, people are not taking long road trips. I have a 125 mile e-Golf and I take long trips requiring charging on the route (pre-pandemic) twice a year - I don't need even a 250 mile car for this twice yearly trip, especially when there are DCFCs on my route. Teslas are certainly not perfect, but they have a lot going for them. I would not buy one myself since I like knobs and buttons and they are too expensive and don't fit in my garage. But when I get another EV I really need it have Plug&Charge.
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vadimus2007
Blended braking can be implemented for sure as I WILL miss the way Pacifica Hybrid does it once I replace it with Model Y, it's very smooth, stepless and feels totally natural, you cannot really feel what slows you down, is it friction or is it regeneration, unless you watch your instruments, and honestly I think it's the best way to do it without having to re-learn geeky tricks like one-pedal driving. We still have brake pedal and ALL drivers know how to use it intuitively, so let's the ECU decide what blend of braking should be used in each case, 0/100 or 100/0 or anything in between. Other thing is constant complaints about Tesla's fit and finish quality. Both my recent vehicles, each being top of the line, 2015 Ford Edge Sport and 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited had totally unacceptable build flaws, not just panel gaps and alignment and paint quality, but no one makes a big deal out of it. No make should have those issues, at least in 50K+ segment but it is what it is yet only Tesla is being discussed in this context.
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Blended braking can be implemented for sure as I WILL miss the way Pacifica Hybrid does it once I replace it with Model Y, it's very smooth, stepless and feels totally natural, you cannot really feel what slows you down, is it friction or is it regeneration, unless you watch your instruments, and honestly I think it's the best way to do it without having to re-learn geeky tricks like one-pedal driving. We still have brake pedal and ALL drivers know how to use it intuitively, so let's the ECU decide what blend of braking should be used in each case, 0/100 or 100/0 or anything in between. Other thing is constant complaints about Tesla's fit and finish quality. Both my recent vehicles, each being top of the line, 2015 Ford Edge Sport and 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited had totally unacceptable build flaws, not just panel gaps and alignment and paint quality, but no one makes a big deal out of it. No make should have those issues, at least in 50K+ segment but it is what it is yet only Tesla is being discussed in this context.
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RDV
To me, Tesla was never worth it. Even in Canada, with incentives for the model 3, it's still very pricey and really, what are you getting? is it that much better than a BMW or merc for equivalent money? tesla doesn't depreciate as much which is a definite plus and yes, you don't pay for gas, but insurance for a tesla is signficantly more expensive here (all EVs are 1-1. 2k more to insure) due to the cost of the battery. Soon, I expect road taxes will move from gas to insurance/licensing to get all those with EVs. In BC by the way, we have TONS of Teslas. you'll see a model 3 every block practically. We also have the most expensive gas prices in north america but now gas is a lot cheaper. I truly believe now that the big boys (VW, Toyota, Mercedes, etc) are now going to actually try to make electrics that they will below tesla out of the water with better products for cheaper. Tesla may retain some niche kind of like Harley Davidson did for decades.
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To me, Tesla was never worth it. Even in Canada, with incentives for the model 3, it's still very pricey and really, what are you getting? is it that much better than a BMW or merc for equivalent money? tesla doesn't depreciate as much which is a definite plus and yes, you don't pay for gas, but insurance for a tesla is signficantly more expensive here (all EVs are 1-1. 2k more to insure) due to the cost of the battery. Soon, I expect road taxes will move from gas to insurance/licensing to get all those with EVs. In BC by the way, we have TONS of Teslas. you'll see a model 3 every block practically. We also have the most expensive gas prices in north america but now gas is a lot cheaper. I truly believe now that the big boys (VW, Toyota, Mercedes, etc) are now going to actually try to make electrics that they will below tesla out of the water with better products for cheaper. Tesla may retain some niche kind of like Harley Davidson did for decades.
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Alex
Detailed numbers are hard to come by, but with enough digging you can find that just over 237, 000 new EVs were sold in the USA in 2019. That's just over 1. 3% of new cars sold in the USA. But there's a catch. Tesla accounts for 80% of new EVs. So, is this a rise in EVs? Or are we seeing the rise of Tesla? And is it possible to separate the one from the other? If we exclude Tesla from the charts, you'll see that EV sales are only up a hair over 2014 (48k vs 41k in 2014. Here are the lifetime EV sales by manufacturer for the USA. Tesla 523, 771 Nissan 143, 558 GM 105, 992 VW/Audi 23, 646 BMW/Mini 17, 567 FCA 15, 195 Merc/Smart 12, 680 Ford 12, 390 Hyundai/Kia 11, 396 Honda 10, 629 Toyota 3, 054 Jaguar 2, 987 Mitsubishi 1, 080 Estimated All numbers exclude PHEVs.
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Detailed numbers are hard to come by, but with enough digging you can find that just over 237, 000 new EVs were sold in the USA in 2019. That's just over 1. 3% of new cars sold in the USA. But there's a catch. Tesla accounts for 80% of new EVs. So, is this a rise in EVs? Or are we seeing the rise of Tesla? And is it possible to separate the one from the other? If we exclude Tesla from the charts, you'll see that EV sales are only up a hair over 2014 (48k vs 41k in 2014. Here are the lifetime EV sales by manufacturer for the USA. Tesla 523, 771 Nissan 143, 558 GM 105, 992 VW/Audi 23, 646 BMW/Mini 17, 567 FCA 15, 195 Merc/Smart 12, 680 Ford 12, 390 Hyundai/Kia 11, 396 Honda 10, 629 Toyota 3, 054 Jaguar 2, 987 Mitsubishi 1, 080 Estimated All numbers exclude PHEVs.
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ytube777
I won't consider tesla because, like you said, they're the apple of the automotive world. I hate touch screens. and the whole sleek looking front dash screams form over function too. The huge huzza initially of Tesla was autopilot. How's that been working out for ya? The absolutely last thing i will ever do in my life would be to get in a car and have the computer a. i. drive it for me. smh. Now, I will admit, if we do ever get to fully autonomous, I would love to tell my car to go get serviced, or come pick me up at this location, etc, but I still wouldn't let it drive with me in it. get off my lawn!
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I won't consider tesla because, like you said, they're the apple of the automotive world. I hate touch screens. and the whole sleek looking front dash screams form over function too. The huge huzza initially of Tesla was autopilot. How's that been working out for ya? The absolutely last thing i will ever do in my life would be to get in a car and have the computer a. i. drive it for me. smh. Now, I will admit, if we do ever get to fully autonomous, I would love to tell my car to go get serviced, or come pick me up at this location, etc, but I still wouldn't let it drive with me in it. get off my lawn!
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Jay
I think the push for longer range BEVs is kinda dumb. Where are BEVs the most efficient? In the city because of low speeds and regenerative braking. I think in the end, BEVs will be aimed at short range runabout driving while some alternative fuel sources will come about for long range highway driving. The issue with batteries is that you need a lot of them to get a lot of range. That means more weight which reduces efficiency. Smaller batteries and a shorter range would increase efficiency whereas something like hydrogen could have a larger take (and therefore longer range) without adding 500 pounds
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I think the push for longer range BEVs is kinda dumb. Where are BEVs the most efficient? In the city because of low speeds and regenerative braking. I think in the end, BEVs will be aimed at short range runabout driving while some alternative fuel sources will come about for long range highway driving. The issue with batteries is that you need a lot of them to get a lot of range. That means more weight which reduces efficiency. Smaller batteries and a shorter range would increase efficiency whereas something like hydrogen could have a larger take (and therefore longer range) without adding 500 pounds
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bigbangnone
Never buy a Tesla! They are not designed to support RIGHT TO REPAIR. Tesla pocketed the money that should have been spent on placing their parts in Auto Parts Stores so that you can save allot of money by doing the simple repairs yourself. Very soon you are going to see modular EV and Hybrids that display the battery Health and allow easy access to the battery cell level for easy replacement and trade on the internet. The company that allows easy troubleshooting and replacement of EV and Hybrid components is going to capture the market.
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Never buy a Tesla! They are not designed to support RIGHT TO REPAIR. Tesla pocketed the money that should have been spent on placing their parts in Auto Parts Stores so that you can save allot of money by doing the simple repairs yourself. Very soon you are going to see modular EV and Hybrids that display the battery Health and allow easy access to the battery cell level for easy replacement and trade on the internet. The company that allows easy troubleshooting and replacement of EV and Hybrid components is going to capture the market.
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Trades46
I still think the company is incredibly arrogant in its mindset and corporate operation. A primary reason they continue to run fine is by a incredibly loyal (almost cult like) following backed by unending capital markets & incredibly generous incentives/subsidies offered by governments not only in America but across the world. Once that money dries up, I'd imagine the company to likely go into the hands of a large automaker, which I'm betting is highly likely to be Chinese.
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I still think the company is incredibly arrogant in its mindset and corporate operation. A primary reason they continue to run fine is by a incredibly loyal (almost cult like) following backed by unending capital markets & incredibly generous incentives/subsidies offered by governments not only in America but across the world. Once that money dries up, I'd imagine the company to likely go into the hands of a large automaker, which I'm betting is highly likely to be Chinese.
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larry
OMG. Alex you forgot. No. 11. Super Super Super ugly interior and missing all the needed control knobs and switches, etc. A true speedometer would be really nice also. Actually, the drive train is wonderful; Tesla should sell the whole works to Toyota or Honda and let them build a truly nice EV that you would be proud to own. If not, Elon should transfer a couple of Space X engineers to Tesla to correct all their problems and show Tesla how real engineering is done.
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OMG. Alex you forgot. No. 11. Super Super Super ugly interior and missing all the needed control knobs and switches, etc. A true speedometer would be really nice also. Actually, the drive train is wonderful; Tesla should sell the whole works to Toyota or Honda and let them build a truly nice EV that you would be proud to own. If not, Elon should transfer a couple of Space X engineers to Tesla to correct all their problems and show Tesla how real engineering is done.
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