2018 Honda Clarity Fuel Cell Review and Road Test In 4K
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Date: 2019-05-30
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A.E. W.
So where is the hydrogen fuel source for the home? Wait? You cant fill up at home because its too dangerous? Oh but I can fill her up at a gas station converted for hydrogen (how convenient) and I get to remain a slave to the oil and gas barons. Cool, sign me up. for an electric car because this is nonesense. No way am I going to be a slave again to the gas/oil industry. I would rather deal with electric companies who are regulated then Exxon and their lobbyists who will stick it to you at the pump every chance they get. Anyone who thinks hydrogen cars are the future are in for a rude awakening down the road. Oh and the math to fill up an electric car is straight forward. For example: 100kw Battery giving about 3. 4 miles per Kw (340Mi range) would cost about an avg of 18 cents per Kw. So guess what, that is a whopping 18 bucks for 340 miles and yes it would take 8 hours plus to fill up from empty (big whoop since I would do it at my house overnight. Hydrogen fuel costs A LOT more than petrol and tons more than electricity but the gas and oil barons will hide that cost to try to get this joke of a concept off the ground. If in some crazy universe everyone adopted hydrogen cars then the gas and oil barons would eventually get you to pay way more than gas at the hydrogen pump.
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So where is the hydrogen fuel source for the home? Wait? You cant fill up at home because its too dangerous? Oh but I can fill her up at a gas station converted for hydrogen (how convenient) and I get to remain a slave to the oil and gas barons. Cool, sign me up. for an electric car because this is nonesense. No way am I going to be a slave again to the gas/oil industry. I would rather deal with electric companies who are regulated then Exxon and their lobbyists who will stick it to you at the pump every chance they get. Anyone who thinks hydrogen cars are the future are in for a rude awakening down the road. Oh and the math to fill up an electric car is straight forward. For example: 100kw Battery giving about 3. 4 miles per Kw (340Mi range) would cost about an avg of 18 cents per Kw. So guess what, that is a whopping 18 bucks for 340 miles and yes it would take 8 hours plus to fill up from empty (big whoop since I would do it at my house overnight. Hydrogen fuel costs A LOT more than petrol and tons more than electricity but the gas and oil barons will hide that cost to try to get this joke of a concept off the ground. If in some crazy universe everyone adopted hydrogen cars then the gas and oil barons would eventually get you to pay way more than gas at the hydrogen pump.
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ARich
Ive watched 3 minutes of this video (literally stopped on 3 minutes even, and you have given the most thorough explanation of fuel cell vehicles Ive heard in the past decade quite possibly. Ive always enjoyed cars myself, and completed a science fair project in the 5th grade, Zero Emissions: Powering the Future about hydrogen fuel cells, and I still have the model. I won in several categories, but people still think this concept is nuts and that more-efficient conventional fossil fuel cars and endless EVs are the answer. But given that these cars have an even smaller environmental impact by only emitting water vapors, I feel that hydrogen is the way to go. The hurdle to overcome is infrastructure, budget, and consumer opinion. I work at Hyundai now, and after seeing this Clarity and Hyundais upcoming Nexo, I cant wait to see what our alternative energy future holds. Thank you Youve help inspire my blog as well, adamsautos. org Keep up the awesome work Alex
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Ive watched 3 minutes of this video (literally stopped on 3 minutes even, and you have given the most thorough explanation of fuel cell vehicles Ive heard in the past decade quite possibly. Ive always enjoyed cars myself, and completed a science fair project in the 5th grade, Zero Emissions: Powering the Future about hydrogen fuel cells, and I still have the model. I won in several categories, but people still think this concept is nuts and that more-efficient conventional fossil fuel cars and endless EVs are the answer. But given that these cars have an even smaller environmental impact by only emitting water vapors, I feel that hydrogen is the way to go. The hurdle to overcome is infrastructure, budget, and consumer opinion. I work at Hyundai now, and after seeing this Clarity and Hyundais upcoming Nexo, I cant wait to see what our alternative energy future holds. Thank you Youve help inspire my blog as well, adamsautos. org Keep up the awesome work Alex
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Adam K
Great review, Im lucky enough to have been able to lease one of these and work/live near a couple stations. It is a stellar commuter car and works perfect for me. There are a couple more bits of info that arent mentioned in comments or video: Good luck getting over 60 miles per kilogram on the highway at normal speeds, if you have hills or mountains it is even worse, the battery is too small to recoup all the energy on the way down. Dont turn on the heater unless you want to lose 10-20% efficiency (heated seats and defroster affect it far less)Fuel is 16. 80ish per kg in the Bay Area at the easily accessible TrueBlue stationsDont expect the 15k in fuel to go 60k miles unless you are a hypermiler Waitlist is at least 6 months but insurance rate didnt go up as much as speculated belowThe car comes with HondaSensing, its not Telsa Autodrive but man is it great for highway drives, keeps your speed and car in lane with little feedback required
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Great review, Im lucky enough to have been able to lease one of these and work/live near a couple stations. It is a stellar commuter car and works perfect for me. There are a couple more bits of info that arent mentioned in comments or video: Good luck getting over 60 miles per kilogram on the highway at normal speeds, if you have hills or mountains it is even worse, the battery is too small to recoup all the energy on the way down. Dont turn on the heater unless you want to lose 10-20% efficiency (heated seats and defroster affect it far less)Fuel is 16. 80ish per kg in the Bay Area at the easily accessible TrueBlue stationsDont expect the 15k in fuel to go 60k miles unless you are a hypermiler Waitlist is at least 6 months but insurance rate didnt go up as much as speculated belowThe car comes with HondaSensing, its not Telsa Autodrive but man is it great for highway drives, keeps your speed and car in lane with little feedback required
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Matt Clark
1. I live in CA (coincidentally drove your test route today, in fact minus the dirt road) 2. Ive decided Im on my last gas-powered car 3. I live near (and commute directly past) a hydrogen filling station 4. I reject crossovers on principle. Dang, I knew there was a reason I was vibing the Clarity, in addition to really appreciating their modular approach to offering PHEV, EV, and FCEV powertrains in one shell. It seems like an excellent car It also seems too adult for my tastes. Still, I just got my Alltrack, I plan to run that as my last gas-powered car for as long as it seems to make sense to me, but the Clarity gives me great hope that the step to alternative fuel is very quickly becoming a step up for more and more people. Im desperately eager for a non-IC powered car to really be at the top of my list because it is just my favorite car on the market. I feel that day has already come for many people, and is on the horizon for me
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1. I live in CA (coincidentally drove your test route today, in fact minus the dirt road) 2. Ive decided Im on my last gas-powered car 3. I live near (and commute directly past) a hydrogen filling station 4. I reject crossovers on principle. Dang, I knew there was a reason I was vibing the Clarity, in addition to really appreciating their modular approach to offering PHEV, EV, and FCEV powertrains in one shell. It seems like an excellent car It also seems too adult for my tastes. Still, I just got my Alltrack, I plan to run that as my last gas-powered car for as long as it seems to make sense to me, but the Clarity gives me great hope that the step to alternative fuel is very quickly becoming a step up for more and more people. Im desperately eager for a non-IC powered car to really be at the top of my list because it is just my favorite car on the market. I feel that day has already come for many people, and is on the horizon for me
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dMb
A hydrogen fuel cell is just another type of battery. Except its one that: - costs more than lithium ion batteries to build--and will always cost more- costs more to fill than any conventional battery by 6x to 8x--and will always cost more- is far more difficult to fill (any source of electricity can charge a battery: the grid, solar panels, a gas generator, )- has infrastructure requirements that are far more expensive than batteries (hydrogen station costs 5M; gas stations cost 2M, level 3 chargers cost 75k--which is why a company that isnt profitable can afford to build them all over three continents)But its not all bad. Instead of lasting the life of the car like a battery will, the fuel cell should last longer than the life of the car--for all the good that will do you. And hydrogen has an excellent energy density, which could prove beneficial for stuff that flies like drones, helicopters, and planes.
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A hydrogen fuel cell is just another type of battery. Except its one that: - costs more than lithium ion batteries to build--and will always cost more- costs more to fill than any conventional battery by 6x to 8x--and will always cost more- is far more difficult to fill (any source of electricity can charge a battery: the grid, solar panels, a gas generator, )- has infrastructure requirements that are far more expensive than batteries (hydrogen station costs 5M; gas stations cost 2M, level 3 chargers cost 75k--which is why a company that isnt profitable can afford to build them all over three continents)But its not all bad. Instead of lasting the life of the car like a battery will, the fuel cell should last longer than the life of the car--for all the good that will do you. And hydrogen has an excellent energy density, which could prove beneficial for stuff that flies like drones, helicopters, and planes.
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Wised1000
Excellent reviewIm thrilled someone finally got the energy density issues of battery cars right Personally I would love to have a battery only car, however, the sad fact is that battery technology is still far from the energy density or recharge time to replace an IC car on a one to one basis. Batteries would have to be at least twice as energy dense and would need to recharge 4 times as quickly. Unfortunately, that is not simple a development issue, its a fundamental physics/chemistry barrier. Hydrogen is a brilliant solution for those issues but its 1, expensive and 2, no one seems very interested in setting up a refueling infrastructure. For the time being, the best way to be green (though not tosave money) is to buy one of the seemingly endless varieties of hybrid vehicles. If you want to do both simply buy a highly fuel efficient regular IC car.
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Excellent reviewIm thrilled someone finally got the energy density issues of battery cars right Personally I would love to have a battery only car, however, the sad fact is that battery technology is still far from the energy density or recharge time to replace an IC car on a one to one basis. Batteries would have to be at least twice as energy dense and would need to recharge 4 times as quickly. Unfortunately, that is not simple a development issue, its a fundamental physics/chemistry barrier. Hydrogen is a brilliant solution for those issues but its 1, expensive and 2, no one seems very interested in setting up a refueling infrastructure. For the time being, the best way to be green (though not tosave money) is to buy one of the seemingly endless varieties of hybrid vehicles. If you want to do both simply buy a highly fuel efficient regular IC car.
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tjs114
Honda seems to be pretty consistent in how they approach the compliance cars in their lineup. They only lease vehicles that will likely be removed from their lineup if no longer required. I remember the Fit EV was lease only and even now you can lease a used Fit EV from Honda. During the GM EV-1 era, there was a Honda EV that was lease only as well. By only allowing these vehicles into the wild via lease, Honda can get them out of the market quickly if allowed and not have to expend the funds in training their mechanics in service and maintenance. I bet only certain Honda dealerships are getting the Clarity Fuel Cell. (edit: Just checked and none of the 5 Honda dealerships within 50 miles of me in California are authorized retailers for the Fuel Cell Clarity. Makes sense since its nearly 80 miles to the closest Hydrogen filling station)
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Honda seems to be pretty consistent in how they approach the compliance cars in their lineup. They only lease vehicles that will likely be removed from their lineup if no longer required. I remember the Fit EV was lease only and even now you can lease a used Fit EV from Honda. During the GM EV-1 era, there was a Honda EV that was lease only as well. By only allowing these vehicles into the wild via lease, Honda can get them out of the market quickly if allowed and not have to expend the funds in training their mechanics in service and maintenance. I bet only certain Honda dealerships are getting the Clarity Fuel Cell. (edit: Just checked and none of the 5 Honda dealerships within 50 miles of me in California are authorized retailers for the Fuel Cell Clarity. Makes sense since its nearly 80 miles to the closest Hydrogen filling station)
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Ivan Vojt
The average gas owner probably spends at least 120 a month in gas. Three 40ish fillups per month. 2, 868 Down / 35 months (one months payment and security deposit is included) = 71. 40 a month on top of the 369 + sales tax. Tax, Title, & License fees are extra. Assuming you have a 24/7 fuel Hydrogen station near you the big question is, how much does it cost to insure a 59, 365 vehicle? Average rates possibly being 2, 364 a year AKA 197ish a month. So 369 + 8% Sales Tax = 398. 52 + 71. 40 + 197 = 666. 92 a month plus the TTL thanks to your boy Browndoggle the Registration fee will probably see a 150 hike since this is just under 60K. Plus 100 EV Tax starting in 2020. Honda was initially considering including insurance with the lease but that fell through.
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The average gas owner probably spends at least 120 a month in gas. Three 40ish fillups per month. 2, 868 Down / 35 months (one months payment and security deposit is included) = 71. 40 a month on top of the 369 + sales tax. Tax, Title, & License fees are extra. Assuming you have a 24/7 fuel Hydrogen station near you the big question is, how much does it cost to insure a 59, 365 vehicle? Average rates possibly being 2, 364 a year AKA 197ish a month. So 369 + 8% Sales Tax = 398. 52 + 71. 40 + 197 = 666. 92 a month plus the TTL thanks to your boy Browndoggle the Registration fee will probably see a 150 hike since this is just under 60K. Plus 100 EV Tax starting in 2020. Honda was initially considering including insurance with the lease but that fell through.
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acchaladka
Thank you Alex for finally explaining to a meaningful audience ) why hydrogen makes real sense for the N American driver. Honda and Toyota are not dumb after all - imagine. Yes on the longer hydrogen video - James May did a short one some time ago you might use. For those about to question GHG emissions, hydrogen created at large hydro, geothermal, or nuclear generation stations overnight will be emissions free and will make those power plant assets more profitable. Modern High Voltage DC transmission tech makes it more feasible to transmit these carbon-free electrons great distances affordably. So, natural gas / methane not needed at all, especially if pollution or carbon prices are assigned.
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Thank you Alex for finally explaining to a meaningful audience ) why hydrogen makes real sense for the N American driver. Honda and Toyota are not dumb after all - imagine. Yes on the longer hydrogen video - James May did a short one some time ago you might use. For those about to question GHG emissions, hydrogen created at large hydro, geothermal, or nuclear generation stations overnight will be emissions free and will make those power plant assets more profitable. Modern High Voltage DC transmission tech makes it more feasible to transmit these carbon-free electrons great distances affordably. So, natural gas / methane not needed at all, especially if pollution or carbon prices are assigned.
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