Jeep Compass: Flashing Throttle Light & No Go
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Date: 2022-09-16
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Aku2Dimensional
Guess the Compass was pointing south to South Main Auto.
Also, adding some more thoughts to the Bluetooth throttle, I think that it would probably lose communication 99% of the time. I walk ten feet away from my stereo on BT with my phone in my pocket and get a bad signal, not to mention that my 10 year old laptop rarely ever connects to the same Azultooth. What's even funnier is that I walked 3 miles away from a Chinesium portable speaker and the signal never quit even once.
To be honest though, I think there was some truth to Toyota's throttle cables going WOT from corrosion. My Toyota is 22 years old currently and had the throttle cable recalled, since then the assembly has gotten a touch of corrosion from the salty winters and I can see where a poor quality assembly could fail. I don't believe every model was affected the same way, maybe your suggestion of user error i. e. the floor mats was part of the blame.
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Guess the Compass was pointing south to South Main Auto.
Also, adding some more thoughts to the Bluetooth throttle, I think that it would probably lose communication 99% of the time. I walk ten feet away from my stereo on BT with my phone in my pocket and get a bad signal, not to mention that my 10 year old laptop rarely ever connects to the same Azultooth. What's even funnier is that I walked 3 miles away from a Chinesium portable speaker and the signal never quit even once.
To be honest though, I think there was some truth to Toyota's throttle cables going WOT from corrosion. My Toyota is 22 years old currently and had the throttle cable recalled, since then the assembly has gotten a touch of corrosion from the salty winters and I can see where a poor quality assembly could fail. I don't believe every model was affected the same way, maybe your suggestion of user error i. e. the floor mats was part of the blame.
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Kevin
I m still early in the video, but the feeling of misfiring when sitting in idle in park after you had the throttle limp mode is because the ECM is limiting the engine speed down to 1500rpm by shutting off injectors. When the throttle hits limp mode, it will shut the power to the throttle motor off and the throttle will sit at about 10-15% open. When you were pushing the throttle and it revved up to like 2500rpm from 1500rpm, the only thing that was changing on the engine was re-enabling all the fuel injectors (and maybe changing ignition timing. The throttle body didn t move at all, because the power to it was shut off. It would feel like it smoothed out when you shifted into gear because the additional load of the transmission being in gear was enough for it to be able to re-enable the injector(s) it was turning off and still stay within the rpm range that it was happy with.
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I m still early in the video, but the feeling of misfiring when sitting in idle in park after you had the throttle limp mode is because the ECM is limiting the engine speed down to 1500rpm by shutting off injectors. When the throttle hits limp mode, it will shut the power to the throttle motor off and the throttle will sit at about 10-15% open. When you were pushing the throttle and it revved up to like 2500rpm from 1500rpm, the only thing that was changing on the engine was re-enabling all the fuel injectors (and maybe changing ignition timing. The throttle body didn t move at all, because the power to it was shut off. It would feel like it smoothed out when you shifted into gear because the additional load of the transmission being in gear was enough for it to be able to re-enable the injector(s) it was turning off and still stay within the rpm range that it was happy with.
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Dave
Hey Eric. How's it going? I noticed in a few of your videos, that you've been plugging the Astro tools from Amazon. I started to follow your lead with regards to that, and have, unfortunately, come to find out that their tools are really pricey, compared to other vendors on Amazon, and the quality of said tools are extremely poor. I have purchased a digital tire inflator, which arrived touched up on the handle with a sharpie marker, did not seal on valve stems well at all, and is now broken. The 70 wirelessly charging flashlight, that you also use, turned out to be complete garbage as well, and among a variety of hand tools, service kits, etc. All junk. I have had greater value and success from Walmart's line of Hyper Tough tools. Do you have any similar feedback on their products?
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Hey Eric. How's it going? I noticed in a few of your videos, that you've been plugging the Astro tools from Amazon. I started to follow your lead with regards to that, and have, unfortunately, come to find out that their tools are really pricey, compared to other vendors on Amazon, and the quality of said tools are extremely poor. I have purchased a digital tire inflator, which arrived touched up on the handle with a sharpie marker, did not seal on valve stems well at all, and is now broken. The 70 wirelessly charging flashlight, that you also use, turned out to be complete garbage as well, and among a variety of hand tools, service kits, etc. All junk. I have had greater value and success from Walmart's line of Hyper Tough tools. Do you have any similar feedback on their products?
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jfv65
i just don't like these ETM's. i had one on a Volvo that used 2 sliding potentiometers to convey throttle position. 2 forcredundancy i guess.
During normal cruise the throttle uses the same range of opening all the time.
Those potentiometer tracks had worn away in some places to the point that there was no proper throttle control any longer. the engine would start to vibrate and jerk as the throttle blade would vary position. very annoying. And kinda dangerous IMO
i discovered a Chinesium kit to modify that ETM to where those pot meters were eliminated and replaced by magnetic control. Fixid it!
Why the heck did Magneti-Marelli not make it that way from the get-go is beyond me.
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i just don't like these ETM's. i had one on a Volvo that used 2 sliding potentiometers to convey throttle position. 2 forcredundancy i guess.
During normal cruise the throttle uses the same range of opening all the time.
Those potentiometer tracks had worn away in some places to the point that there was no proper throttle control any longer. the engine would start to vibrate and jerk as the throttle blade would vary position. very annoying. And kinda dangerous IMO
i discovered a Chinesium kit to modify that ETM to where those pot meters were eliminated and replaced by magnetic control. Fixid it!
Why the heck did Magneti-Marelli not make it that way from the get-go is beyond me.
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danh
That'll be the day when all of the new tech you can throw at one of these things can out smart some genuine crud. This customer must be one of your loyal followers and didn't go the parts cannon route first. You got lucky there and the been there done that experience helps too! Good vid. Besides the humor one reason I watch is I'm fairly decent with older carbureted engines and a fair amount of their issues. But what they're putting out these days and the service data that they publish for it (1) you need a computer science and scan tool degree and (2) don't forget the subscriptions you pay extra for.
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That'll be the day when all of the new tech you can throw at one of these things can out smart some genuine crud. This customer must be one of your loyal followers and didn't go the parts cannon route first. You got lucky there and the been there done that experience helps too! Good vid. Besides the humor one reason I watch is I'm fairly decent with older carbureted engines and a fair amount of their issues. But what they're putting out these days and the service data that they publish for it (1) you need a computer science and scan tool degree and (2) don't forget the subscriptions you pay extra for.
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Daddy
Your forced idle code was the PCM cutting spark on random cylinders to force the idle speed down as it was too high in neutral. When you put it in drive idle speed dropped to within limits. The 0% throttle test is usually at key on/engine off before start up. I had a throttle cable bind up on an old school gm 3800 V6 many years ago. Not fun turning a corner in heavy traffic and had to key off to avoid a crash. unless you are on a motorcycle, the throttle cable only opens the throttle, it does NOT close the throttle! ( motorcycle has 2 cables, 1 to open and 1 to close)
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Your forced idle code was the PCM cutting spark on random cylinders to force the idle speed down as it was too high in neutral. When you put it in drive idle speed dropped to within limits. The 0% throttle test is usually at key on/engine off before start up. I had a throttle cable bind up on an old school gm 3800 V6 many years ago. Not fun turning a corner in heavy traffic and had to key off to avoid a crash. unless you are on a motorcycle, the throttle cable only opens the throttle, it does NOT close the throttle! ( motorcycle has 2 cables, 1 to open and 1 to close)
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djsi38t
The whole time I am screaming. Just clean the Effin thing. and by golly you did. This video was of particular interest for me cuz. I have a 2013 Avenger. same exact motor set up. And by the way my Chrysler Complete garbage as you put it I bought used 5 years ago and it has been absolutely perfect, not a single thing wrong with it.
and its now a 10 year old car and I am very pleased with my 2013 Avenger. These motors when cared for are extremely reliable having their roots at Hyundai. Literally millions of them on the road today happily laying down the miles.
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The whole time I am screaming. Just clean the Effin thing. and by golly you did. This video was of particular interest for me cuz. I have a 2013 Avenger. same exact motor set up. And by the way my Chrysler Complete garbage as you put it I bought used 5 years ago and it has been absolutely perfect, not a single thing wrong with it.
and its now a 10 year old car and I am very pleased with my 2013 Avenger. These motors when cared for are extremely reliable having their roots at Hyundai. Literally millions of them on the road today happily laying down the miles.
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Jake
Had a throttle position code on a Holden (Chevy) Trax one time, it wasn't seeing a closed throttle position at key on and then threw the corresponding code. visual inspection found one of the air cleaner box lid screws was trapped by the throttle butterfly in the throttle body, the previous repairer had left it on top of the air filter when doing a service. thank Freddy that the PCM disabled throttle operation with that code or there would have been a broken engine quick smart.
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Had a throttle position code on a Holden (Chevy) Trax one time, it wasn't seeing a closed throttle position at key on and then threw the corresponding code. visual inspection found one of the air cleaner box lid screws was trapped by the throttle butterfly in the throttle body, the previous repairer had left it on top of the air filter when doing a service. thank Freddy that the PCM disabled throttle operation with that code or there would have been a broken engine quick smart.
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Jeff
Always a learning experience here, I epically fail with the newer computer cars. I miss the days of my youth, no computers, just a points distributor, carburetor etc, no computer crap. Those I can fix. Obd1 I have luck with. OBD2 not so much. Threw a bunch of cash at a P0172 rich code and I think the TCM shorted and blew the eatx 20 amp fuse in a 2002 Neon SE. Now my daily is dead. F me. My diag skills suck, and the parts cannon emptied my wallet.
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Always a learning experience here, I epically fail with the newer computer cars. I miss the days of my youth, no computers, just a points distributor, carburetor etc, no computer crap. Those I can fix. Obd1 I have luck with. OBD2 not so much. Threw a bunch of cash at a P0172 rich code and I think the TCM shorted and blew the eatx 20 amp fuse in a 2002 Neon SE. Now my daily is dead. F me. My diag skills suck, and the parts cannon emptied my wallet.
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DouglasH
Hi Eric and the Lovely Mrs. O, Zep used to make a fantastic carburetor cleaner, maybe they still do I don't know, the only time I came across it was at work. We got it thru a ZEP distributor. ZEP sells cleaning products thru The Depot but no carb cleaner. I thought the ZEP stuff smells like and works as good as Berkbile 2+2. It will also make your brain run out your ears, but it really works well. that, s all for now, bye bye!
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Hi Eric and the Lovely Mrs. O, Zep used to make a fantastic carburetor cleaner, maybe they still do I don't know, the only time I came across it was at work. We got it thru a ZEP distributor. ZEP sells cleaning products thru The Depot but no carb cleaner. I thought the ZEP stuff smells like and works as good as Berkbile 2+2. It will also make your brain run out your ears, but it really works well. that, s all for now, bye bye!
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2DogsVlogs
I had the same light on come on with my 06 Grand Cherokee. I rang the Jeep dealer and they said they didn't know why the light was on nor if it was safe too drive. I read the manual and if you cycle the key the the light should turn off. It didn't. I drove too work anyway and the light turned off. The manual did say it should only effect the 5. 7 hemi. I had the 3. 0CRD. So if you do have the 3. 0 just ignore the light.
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I had the same light on come on with my 06 Grand Cherokee. I rang the Jeep dealer and they said they didn't know why the light was on nor if it was safe too drive. I read the manual and if you cycle the key the the light should turn off. It didn't. I drove too work anyway and the light turned off. The manual did say it should only effect the 5. 7 hemi. I had the 3. 0CRD. So if you do have the 3. 0 just ignore the light.
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Mike
I remember very well the first time I saw an electronic throttle. It was on a mid-90s Volvo semi tractor that my dad had. I'm no diesel mechanic but, back then, those systems were still fairly simple. In dads case, the engine wouldn't Rev above an idle so, I thought that the linkage had worked loose. Wait a minute. where's the cable and what are these wires for? A new fuse solved his problem.
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I remember very well the first time I saw an electronic throttle. It was on a mid-90s Volvo semi tractor that my dad had. I'm no diesel mechanic but, back then, those systems were still fairly simple. In dads case, the engine wouldn't Rev above an idle so, I thought that the linkage had worked loose. Wait a minute. where's the cable and what are these wires for? A new fuse solved his problem.
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watajob
Speaking of pocket T shirts and bluetooth; that's why I now need pocket T's even though I haven't smoked in 20 years. My hearing aids are connected to my phone and if I need to adjust something or answer a call, I'm scrooched if my phone isn't right there. Get some with a pocket even if it ups the price. I'll buy a few then. I want some but can't. Sorry.
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Speaking of pocket T shirts and bluetooth; that's why I now need pocket T's even though I haven't smoked in 20 years. My hearing aids are connected to my phone and if I need to adjust something or answer a call, I'm scrooched if my phone isn't right there. Get some with a pocket even if it ups the price. I'll buy a few then. I want some but can't. Sorry.
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Michael
These new vehicles are getting idiotically over complicated with whiz bang electronics.
I've never owned a vehicle that did not have a throttle controlled by a cable, with stiff dual return springs and my next one is going to have a points type ignition, even if I have to pay a premium to own an old one.
I am a serious believer in the KISS rule.
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These new vehicles are getting idiotically over complicated with whiz bang electronics.
I've never owned a vehicle that did not have a throttle controlled by a cable, with stiff dual return springs and my next one is going to have a points type ignition, even if I have to pay a premium to own an old one.
I am a serious believer in the KISS rule.
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