How much you pay for each mile of range on EVERY electric car
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Date: 2022-04-11
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Mr. Scobbles
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Hillo Mat good to be with you. Idid assuch realise that youdid come through with this advertisement yesterday bud remember idid was extremely busy and therefore assuch idid note even halve the time to peruse your story and face. Idid receive the alrert as idid hit the supscripe but ididnote hit the balls icon. Remember in southafrica wedo have issues of electric wedo halve it but we really doubt halve it. Our politics people are of the variety of theft and so theydid steal all the money we had to fix the power. No problem wedo have sunshine and for entertainment there is a lot of crime wedo see people getting shot or something is stolen or thereis a explosion no problem. Atome in my house you will see when you comethrough Ido have a 8. 5kW generator for when the electric does push off. Assuch is the question can I put the generator in the bag of a Tesla car assuch soas when Iam driving and itis lower on battery alride can I use my generator to charge it? Ido know this is a genius question please donut share this infoamation with anyone as iwill soon be going to the liars soas to patient it so nobody else can use my idea. I like you. A day without your words in my ears is suchwhat as alride don-t forget to email the bird packs to the board of trustees and confirm that the investment committee has the review on the agenda what are you talking about Mr. Scobbles you are a toilet cleaner off cause idid forget then please make sure I have the bleach. If you come to my house Mat we can sit next to each other no problem but please wear a musk and gloves.
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HarBuggley
Like when the maths teacher said they wanted to see your working out, he didn-t mean for life lol
This is sort of a hardcore info dump which in audio form is hard to follow for those even well-versed with numbers. could-ve done to maybe further segment it down by price range or function like if I-m looking for a Taycan I-m not gonna buy the ForTwo, etc etc. And like really expected maybe a metric (or two) that integrates the battery size, availability of charging points. Like do a full on analysis and plot out all those variables and compare and contrast, then simplify by just giving the highlights or a infographic or something.
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Like when the maths teacher said they wanted to see your working out, he didn-t mean for life lol
This is sort of a hardcore info dump which in audio form is hard to follow for those even well-versed with numbers. could-ve done to maybe further segment it down by price range or function like if I-m looking for a Taycan I-m not gonna buy the ForTwo, etc etc. And like really expected maybe a metric (or two) that integrates the battery size, availability of charging points. Like do a full on analysis and plot out all those variables and compare and contrast, then simplify by just giving the highlights or a infographic or something.
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David
So, you penalise those manufacturers that are honest with their ranges. because most aren't?
I mean, Kia/Hyundai are pretty much the only ones that perform better than their claimed ranges, yet you give them 85% of their claimed range, whereas the Jaguar iPace performs below the 85% of its claimed range.
I know that the Kia/Hyundai cars do very well in this comparison, but this is still unjust because they have done far better than the company's claims in every test that I have seen, so you should not be penalising them by that 15% reduction. Add that 15% back on to the figures and you get a very different result.
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So, you penalise those manufacturers that are honest with their ranges. because most aren't?
I mean, Kia/Hyundai are pretty much the only ones that perform better than their claimed ranges, yet you give them 85% of their claimed range, whereas the Jaguar iPace performs below the 85% of its claimed range.
I know that the Kia/Hyundai cars do very well in this comparison, but this is still unjust because they have done far better than the company's claims in every test that I have seen, so you should not be penalising them by that 15% reduction. Add that 15% back on to the figures and you get a very different result.
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Arshdeep
The very concept of price per mile of -range- is not a very good indicator of real world usability, a much better and practical metric would be to measure the average running cost per mile of operation. Considering the vehicle cost, average average life of battery, average maintenance costs, overheads, charging costs, distance covered per full charge etc for each one separately and then determining the rough running cost per mile would be more appropriate (probably just make a top 10 list since this could take time. Thoughts coming from a data scientist btw: )
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The very concept of price per mile of -range- is not a very good indicator of real world usability, a much better and practical metric would be to measure the average running cost per mile of operation. Considering the vehicle cost, average average life of battery, average maintenance costs, overheads, charging costs, distance covered per full charge etc for each one separately and then determining the rough running cost per mile would be more appropriate (probably just make a top 10 list since this could take time. Thoughts coming from a data scientist btw: )
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Luke
EV's just do not make financial sense. They are expensive to buy compared to their petrol/diesel counterparts and the savings are simply not enough over the life of the vehicle to make it worth it.
Sure you could buy a cheap EV but why would I want an entry level one with a poor range when I can have a much better conventional petrol/diesel car for less? I'll be sticking with my Lexus IS hybrid for as long as I can, the equivalent car to that is a Tesla Model 3, I've ran the figures and it wouldn't be saving me any money for the first 5 years of ownership.
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EV's just do not make financial sense. They are expensive to buy compared to their petrol/diesel counterparts and the savings are simply not enough over the life of the vehicle to make it worth it.
Sure you could buy a cheap EV but why would I want an entry level one with a poor range when I can have a much better conventional petrol/diesel car for less? I'll be sticking with my Lexus IS hybrid for as long as I can, the equivalent car to that is a Tesla Model 3, I've ran the figures and it wouldn't be saving me any money for the first 5 years of ownership.
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Ron
Matt in what universe did you get 310mi of range on a Tesla Model 3 and yet only get 218mi of range on a Taycan in Real World Driving. I can tell you a Taycan does 260mi falling off a log and that's with 20- wheels and freeway speeds. I understand you wanted to use a consistent way to compare, but why not use CarWow test results at 60mph or what ever you test at. Different manufactures have a very wide scale on what gets published vs what's easily attainable.
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Matt in what universe did you get 310mi of range on a Tesla Model 3 and yet only get 218mi of range on a Taycan in Real World Driving. I can tell you a Taycan does 260mi falling off a log and that's with 20- wheels and freeway speeds. I understand you wanted to use a consistent way to compare, but why not use CarWow test results at 60mph or what ever you test at. Different manufactures have a very wide scale on what gets published vs what's easily attainable.
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sai
This is lame. instead you could compare the no. of miles for the same category picking one from electric and one from petrol or diesel cars and then review the total cost including the fuel prices and electric charging prices for their range.
Or you can do is compare the both segments for a certain time period, let's say 5 years and compare all the average miles that they would travel and fuel/electric expenses and everything. That would be really useful
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This is lame. instead you could compare the no. of miles for the same category picking one from electric and one from petrol or diesel cars and then review the total cost including the fuel prices and electric charging prices for their range.
Or you can do is compare the both segments for a certain time period, let's say 5 years and compare all the average miles that they would travel and fuel/electric expenses and everything. That would be really useful
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Tim
This is very confusing. Why would it cost that much per mile? Does this assume I'm going to charge my card only once and then discard it? This is just a lazy summary.
More interesting would be an article based on a 5 year ownership, comparing overall costs, assuming a travel distance of about 15, 000km per year, charge costs of XYZ, service costs and leasing costs. Now THAT would give some useful information.
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This is very confusing. Why would it cost that much per mile? Does this assume I'm going to charge my card only once and then discard it? This is just a lazy summary.
More interesting would be an article based on a 5 year ownership, comparing overall costs, assuming a travel distance of about 15, 000km per year, charge costs of XYZ, service costs and leasing costs. Now THAT would give some useful information.
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David
Not worth bothering. It is well known that the real range relative to the WLTP varies massively from car to car. The Korean makes, for example, get very close. Many of the luxury brands like Jaguar and Audi get nowhere near. You would have been better comparing the cars EPA range, a much more accurate measurement of real world range. the 87% average has no value at all in relation to each car.
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Not worth bothering. It is well known that the real range relative to the WLTP varies massively from car to car. The Korean makes, for example, get very close. Many of the luxury brands like Jaguar and Audi get nowhere near. You would have been better comparing the cars EPA range, a much more accurate measurement of real world range. the 87% average has no value at all in relation to each car.
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Kri-tof
driving that renault as a taxi in winter is still doable! :) The only nehative is not about its range or motor. Its the back doors. Ppl dont seem to understamd the concept of the door handle, and the space that it creates when you open the door is just ridiculously small. Every third person hits their head. Such a shame. Otherwise fun and very practical car.
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driving that renault as a taxi in winter is still doable! :) The only nehative is not about its range or motor. Its the back doors. Ppl dont seem to understamd the concept of the door handle, and the space that it creates when you open the door is just ridiculously small. Every third person hits their head. Such a shame. Otherwise fun and very practical car.
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