TER 200 - France's Best Regional Train?
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-SvdB1124
haha. that's funny. I rarely ever travel to France, but last week I was in the Vosges mountains. and if it hadn't been for me being able to ride along in someone else's car, I probably would've had to use these trains last Tuesday.
Aside from this, these trains look quite nice, and that's also how I remember them being when I travelled on a Corail Intercity between Paris and Toulouse and back in 2021. Although the refurbished coaches (which I had from Paris to Toulouse) are a lot better than the classic coaches (which I had on my way back. And accessibility. well. honestly, what I think they should do - if this is possible - is build some kind coach, maybe as the driving trailer, with low floor access, accessable toilets, et cetera, that could be combined with a corail train set that for its remainder would consist of -classic-, non-accessible coaches. They can then keep on using these very old trains, while having accessibility for passengers with limited mobility at the same time.
On a side note. quite funny that these trains are named -TER 200-, considering that a similar type of train in Germany, also consisting of old intercity coaches, is named -IRE 200-. And both trains are doing pretty similar jobs.
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haha. that's funny. I rarely ever travel to France, but last week I was in the Vosges mountains. and if it hadn't been for me being able to ride along in someone else's car, I probably would've had to use these trains last Tuesday.
Aside from this, these trains look quite nice, and that's also how I remember them being when I travelled on a Corail Intercity between Paris and Toulouse and back in 2021. Although the refurbished coaches (which I had from Paris to Toulouse) are a lot better than the classic coaches (which I had on my way back. And accessibility. well. honestly, what I think they should do - if this is possible - is build some kind coach, maybe as the driving trailer, with low floor access, accessable toilets, et cetera, that could be combined with a corail train set that for its remainder would consist of -classic-, non-accessible coaches. They can then keep on using these very old trains, while having accessibility for passengers with limited mobility at the same time.
On a side note. quite funny that these trains are named -TER 200-, considering that a similar type of train in Germany, also consisting of old intercity coaches, is named -IRE 200-. And both trains are doing pretty similar jobs.
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-styfauly2115
8: 53 I see I'm not the only one who hates mulhouse's station, it's 60's concrete so it's not beautiful but even then there is moss and cracks everywhere and it feels like it's falling apart. probably the worst station in France
10: 26 doesn't the PACA region still has 1st in TERs?
10: 53 Watch out for your ears! Yeah in the video it doesn't transcribe how loud it is crossing between two corail coaches at 200kmh
Overall I really like this service, even tho the last time I tried it was last December and train interiors were in rough shape and pretty dirty you can only say that it's a reliable trainset with a lot of space and is insanely confortable. But it has it's flaws and accessibility is one of them, I hope that if and when new coaches are delivered (I think there is an order for sleeper cars but not sure about -normal- ones) they will be as confortable as their predecessors but one can only hope.
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8: 53 I see I'm not the only one who hates mulhouse's station, it's 60's concrete so it's not beautiful but even then there is moss and cracks everywhere and it feels like it's falling apart. probably the worst station in France
10: 26 doesn't the PACA region still has 1st in TERs?
10: 53 Watch out for your ears! Yeah in the video it doesn't transcribe how loud it is crossing between two corail coaches at 200kmh
Overall I really like this service, even tho the last time I tried it was last December and train interiors were in rough shape and pretty dirty you can only say that it's a reliable trainset with a lot of space and is insanely confortable. But it has it's flaws and accessibility is one of them, I hope that if and when new coaches are delivered (I think there is an order for sleeper cars but not sure about -normal- ones) they will be as confortable as their predecessors but one can only hope.
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-Lodai974
Yeah! seats body are the same from the beginning (70's) but it's still comfortable today. -
Imagine in 70's when passgengers discovered the corail comfort, against the old cars in service at this time (-saucissons- and other steel cars) and pulled by the news electrics motor locomotives (BB22500, BB15000, BB7200, CC6500. -
A good shocking time
Ah! for information BB26000 25kV pantograph is naimed AM90U, the TGV equivalent are AMDE (PSE TGV) ans GPU (TGV A and reseau/network.
for no french speakers, the train controller announces the arrival at the station, and the next 2 or 3 connections with the platforms. This is only found in Alsace.
5: 45 your neighbor seems dubious -
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Yeah! seats body are the same from the beginning (70's) but it's still comfortable today. -
Imagine in 70's when passgengers discovered the corail comfort, against the old cars in service at this time (-saucissons- and other steel cars) and pulled by the news electrics motor locomotives (BB22500, BB15000, BB7200, CC6500. -
A good shocking time
Ah! for information BB26000 25kV pantograph is naimed AM90U, the TGV equivalent are AMDE (PSE TGV) ans GPU (TGV A and reseau/network.
for no french speakers, the train controller announces the arrival at the station, and the next 2 or 3 connections with the platforms. This is only found in Alsace.
5: 45 your neighbor seems dubious -
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-joriss5
I have been a regular user of this line, my thoughts about the trains are:
- Yes the seats are quite comfortable (although compared to modern long-distance trains - because that's what they were intended for) they lack reclining, meaning they are not straight enough to read/work but a bit too straight to sleep.
- It's noisy AF, especially at 200 km/h. Up to 160 the noise is OK, then it increases a lot, and everytime I cross another fast train I almost get a heart attack. Soundproofing is nonexistent.
- The toilets are so tiny, if you have even a small backpack you have to twist yourself to close the door. Also you pee/shit on the track, so 1970's!
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I have been a regular user of this line, my thoughts about the trains are:
- Yes the seats are quite comfortable (although compared to modern long-distance trains - because that's what they were intended for) they lack reclining, meaning they are not straight enough to read/work but a bit too straight to sleep.
- It's noisy AF, especially at 200 km/h. Up to 160 the noise is OK, then it increases a lot, and everytime I cross another fast train I almost get a heart attack. Soundproofing is nonexistent.
- The toilets are so tiny, if you have even a small backpack you have to twist yourself to close the door. Also you pee/shit on the track, so 1970's!
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-aoilpe
2: 09 sorry, the 25k/v electrification is on more than 1-2 tracks - in fact it includes all the tracks ending at the building AND they can switch the current at track 30 along the station.
2: 40 two years ago this hall was the Border Control between Switzerland and France.
Isn-t it great SNCF has seen the possibility for push-pull operations for fast trains in Switzerland?
Btw, the whole line from Basel to Saint Louis is already french-. It was the first train line in Switzerland in 1844.
Two trains an hour- if they find someone to drive it! A lot of problems since timetable changes in December.
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2: 09 sorry, the 25k/v electrification is on more than 1-2 tracks - in fact it includes all the tracks ending at the building AND they can switch the current at track 30 along the station.
2: 40 two years ago this hall was the Border Control between Switzerland and France.
Isn-t it great SNCF has seen the possibility for push-pull operations for fast trains in Switzerland?
Btw, the whole line from Basel to Saint Louis is already french-. It was the first train line in Switzerland in 1844.
Two trains an hour- if they find someone to drive it! A lot of problems since timetable changes in December.
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-0lorenzo0
Nice video as always -since this video is about a regional train I would like to share an experience that I just had and have an opinion from you. I came to Paris last month and I took the RER B from CDG to Luxemburg in central Paris. The train was very very crowded up until chatelet les halles and since I had a couple of luggages and my son on the stroller the journey was a nightmare. Then for the rest of the week my experience with Paris metro system was great, but it would be nicer to have a dedicated train for the airport with fewer stops and more luggage racks.
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Nice video as always -since this video is about a regional train I would like to share an experience that I just had and have an opinion from you. I came to Paris last month and I took the RER B from CDG to Luxemburg in central Paris. The train was very very crowded up until chatelet les halles and since I had a couple of luggages and my son on the stroller the journey was a nightmare. Then for the rest of the week my experience with Paris metro system was great, but it would be nicer to have a dedicated train for the airport with fewer stops and more luggage racks.
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-aubreyadams7884
Very informative video. We will be travelling from Zurich to Strasbourg in early May 2023 so will be changing to the TER in Basel. We will have two medium suitcases plus a backpack each. The luggage facilities don't look great, though if it only has the same number of pax as in this video then I guess we can find room for the cases - perhaps put them in bicycle area. Also as you noted, accessibility isn't special either, which as a couple of 70 year olds we will have to watch that. Thanks again.
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Very informative video. We will be travelling from Zurich to Strasbourg in early May 2023 so will be changing to the TER in Basel. We will have two medium suitcases plus a backpack each. The luggage facilities don't look great, though if it only has the same number of pax as in this video then I guess we can find room for the cases - perhaps put them in bicycle area. Also as you noted, accessibility isn't special either, which as a couple of 70 year olds we will have to watch that. Thanks again.
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The Customs booths are still there because Switzerland is nor part of the European Union, thus you can be subject to customs inspection from either Swiss or French authorities in the French part of Basel SBB Station. Here in Marseille you can still see Corails and some of them are in better shape than in Alsace, one big complaint of the Basel-Strasbourg TER services is that these are regularly canceled. being so close to Germany and DB railways may give them the bad luck of not being punctual
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The Customs booths are still there because Switzerland is nor part of the European Union, thus you can be subject to customs inspection from either Swiss or French authorities in the French part of Basel SBB Station. Here in Marseille you can still see Corails and some of them are in better shape than in Alsace, one big complaint of the Basel-Strasbourg TER services is that these are regularly canceled. being so close to Germany and DB railways may give them the bad luck of not being punctual
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-LukaPofficiel
I travel everytime on it when going to Switzerland.
First class is incredibly awesome and gives some good old chills since they didn-t renovate this class a while ago
If they would do it, it would be worse than the past, with stronger material, ewww.
However under my seat they were huge sheeps- of dust and it was unpleasant a little bit to have all this dust to breathe but yeah.
It remains an awesome product!
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I travel everytime on it when going to Switzerland.
First class is incredibly awesome and gives some good old chills since they didn-t renovate this class a while ago
If they would do it, it would be worse than the past, with stronger material, ewww.
However under my seat they were huge sheeps- of dust and it was unpleasant a little bit to have all this dust to breathe but yeah.
It remains an awesome product!
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-903lew
When I just got out the army in 07 me and my then-girlfriend got interrail passes and travelled around France in Corail coaches. I can-t say they madea big impression apart from the very generous bike storage. These days I much prefer HSR of all kinds, busy busy busy, but if Corail can run 200 kph, how big can the gain be on such a short distance. Great application of existing stock, well done Grand Est!
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When I just got out the army in 07 me and my then-girlfriend got interrail passes and travelled around France in Corail coaches. I can-t say they madea big impression apart from the very generous bike storage. These days I much prefer HSR of all kinds, busy busy busy, but if Corail can run 200 kph, how big can the gain be on such a short distance. Great application of existing stock, well done Grand Est!
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-kevanhubbard9673
I've done that route although we continued to Paris Est passing through Strasbourg. Basel station is very interesting as most of it is in Switzerland but a few platforms are in France! You use to have to go through passport - control to get between the two parts. And there were a lot of arguments there as the Swiss turned away people considered undesirable with shouting and screaming.
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I've done that route although we continued to Paris Est passing through Strasbourg. Basel station is very interesting as most of it is in Switzerland but a few platforms are in France! You use to have to go through passport - control to get between the two parts. And there were a lot of arguments there as the Swiss turned away people considered undesirable with shouting and screaming.
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Wobderful!
I love this ter! I used it 3 times last year - to avoid problems with delays on the german Rheintalbahn, and for visiting Mulhouse.
My first ride in Corail was around 1987 in a EC Milano - Lyon. (And I burned my legs in typical very short shorts on the black seats of imitation leather - before start the train was a long time under italian sun)
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Wobderful!
I love this ter! I used it 3 times last year - to avoid problems with delays on the german Rheintalbahn, and for visiting Mulhouse.
My first ride in Corail was around 1987 in a EC Milano - Lyon. (And I burned my legs in typical very short shorts on the black seats of imitation leather - before start the train was a long time under italian sun)
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-TheMaartian
This is a LOT nicer than the double deck TER service between my home in Arcachon and Bordeaux. First class has the same seats as second, on the upper deck of one coach. It's just less crowded, if only by a little. One nice feature is that it uses the same two tracks at Gare Bordeaux-Saint-Jean. I never have to check the monitors for the track assignment.
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This is a LOT nicer than the double deck TER service between my home in Arcachon and Bordeaux. First class has the same seats as second, on the upper deck of one coach. It's just less crowded, if only by a little. One nice feature is that it uses the same two tracks at Gare Bordeaux-Saint-Jean. I never have to check the monitors for the track assignment.
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-eddys. 3524
Hi, I remeber the Corail carriages from over 40 years ago when the Dutch railway operator leased several of them for a try-out project. Quite impressive for those days. the ease of ride, airconditoning, comfortable chairs especially in 1st class. A wonderfull experience in those days compared to the rather harsh ride in the standard rail gear.
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Hi, I remeber the Corail carriages from over 40 years ago when the Dutch railway operator leased several of them for a try-out project. Quite impressive for those days. the ease of ride, airconditoning, comfortable chairs especially in 1st class. A wonderfull experience in those days compared to the rather harsh ride in the standard rail gear.
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-wavesnbikes
As I've stated before. Alstom needs to release a -Corail 2- next generation car to replace these and to compete with siemens trains like Obb railjet and nightjet. I agree they are excelent cars, but very dated and SNCF does a very poor job keeping them clean for the passengers on its TER services. Nice video thank you for sharing!
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As I've stated before. Alstom needs to release a -Corail 2- next generation car to replace these and to compete with siemens trains like Obb railjet and nightjet. I agree they are excelent cars, but very dated and SNCF does a very poor job keeping them clean for the passengers on its TER services. Nice video thank you for sharing!
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-larshelmin
One of my favorite trains and route! Sitting in those plush seats drinking a Rivella while looking at the mountains isn't a bad way to travel-. To me it is a better alternative on my north/south travels than sitting ( if are you lucky ) on an overcrowded ICE not doing more 200km/h on the German side of the Rhine.
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One of my favorite trains and route! Sitting in those plush seats drinking a Rivella while looking at the mountains isn't a bad way to travel-. To me it is a better alternative on my north/south travels than sitting ( if are you lucky ) on an overcrowded ICE not doing more 200km/h on the German side of the Rhine.
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-robinpayne125
I travel this route a couple of times a year. I absolutely love those corrail coaches, to me they are -1970s sofas-. I can only suppose that the Grand Est region is influenced by its proximity to Switzerland, they have to bring their A game out if they are going to bear comparison to SBB EW IV sets in Basel.
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I travel this route a couple of times a year. I absolutely love those corrail coaches, to me they are -1970s sofas-. I can only suppose that the Grand Est region is influenced by its proximity to Switzerland, they have to bring their A game out if they are going to bear comparison to SBB EW IV sets in Basel.
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-vakane
Unfortuntaly, for interior of corail coach, or rebuil them with better accessbility, it's not SNCF which can decide (but I don't think it would if it had this right. All these coash are property of their region. So it's up to Grand Est Region to take a such decision.
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Unfortuntaly, for interior of corail coach, or rebuil them with better accessbility, it's not SNCF which can decide (but I don't think it would if it had this right. All these coash are property of their region. So it's up to Grand Est Region to take a such decision.
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-maxster_8989
Strasbourg is one of the best cities in France. I took this exact same train but i was on an unrefurbished Corail coach. The seats were uncomfortable because they were worn out. By the way have you visited the awesome Cite du Train museum in Mulhouse yet?
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Strasbourg is one of the best cities in France. I took this exact same train but i was on an unrefurbished Corail coach. The seats were uncomfortable because they were worn out. By the way have you visited the awesome Cite du Train museum in Mulhouse yet?
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-benbunny22
I travelled on one like that from toulouse to bordeaux. Looked very old fashioned inside. Felt slow was meant to be intercity but sure it was this style. Paris st lazare to rouen used to have these too i think
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I travelled on one like that from toulouse to bordeaux. Looked very old fashioned inside. Felt slow was meant to be intercity but sure it was this style. Paris st lazare to rouen used to have these too i think
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-Saumiiiii
I take this train regularly when I make the journey from Lyon to Basel via Mulhouse, it's definitely very comfortable but the main issue is boarding the train with bags because the accessibility is a pain.
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I take this train regularly when I make the journey from Lyon to Basel via Mulhouse, it's definitely very comfortable but the main issue is boarding the train with bags because the accessibility is a pain.
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-pandahugs2271
I have been on the corail intercities train from bordeux to Marseilles many many times and have been a fan of its convenience but it is pretty outdated and a refurbishment would be nice for it tbh.
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I have been on the corail intercities train from bordeux to Marseilles many many times and have been a fan of its convenience but it is pretty outdated and a refurbishment would be nice for it tbh.
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-SwissMadeKzu
I used to take it weekly to visit my then girlfriend (now wife) from Basel to Selestat. Now it is my son's last train during the trip to see his grand parents in Alsace. And he loves that train.
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I used to take it weekly to visit my then girlfriend (now wife) from Basel to Selestat. Now it is my son's last train during the trip to see his grand parents in Alsace. And he loves that train.
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-Steven_Rowe
The Sybil's are wonderful locomotives and dual voltage.
In 2015 we travelled from Tour's to Paris, it was 1500DC all the way and at times we reached 200kph as I had a speedo on my phone.
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The Sybil's are wonderful locomotives and dual voltage.
In 2015 we travelled from Tour's to Paris, it was 1500DC all the way and at times we reached 200kph as I had a speedo on my phone.
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Hi Thibault, great video once again! just one big fact: we both know that no matter how many years pass Corails will always have much better 2nd class seats than many modern 1st class trains! -
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Hi Thibault, great video once again! just one big fact: we both know that no matter how many years pass Corails will always have much better 2nd class seats than many modern 1st class trains! -
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-enricomonti156
I travelled on that in both directions and also on a day trip to Colmar and Selestat. It is a nice route overall and some of the Mulhouse tram. routes are parallel to it
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I travelled on that in both directions and also on a day trip to Colmar and Selestat. It is a nice route overall and some of the Mulhouse tram. routes are parallel to it
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-silenthunteruk
Did this myself last year from Mulhouse, which has the French national railway museum. Rode in a compartment there. Definitely looked pretty dated, but comfortable.
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Did this myself last year from Mulhouse, which has the French national railway museum. Rode in a compartment there. Definitely looked pretty dated, but comfortable.
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-ElectricUAM
Awesome video and so sad that PACA region has gone from 125 km/hr to now 100. Can't believe SYBIC's are handling TER service. What a different world we live in.
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Awesome video and so sad that PACA region has gone from 125 km/hr to now 100. Can't believe SYBIC's are handling TER service. What a different world we live in.
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-lorilovell9748
Your video was very helpful. If I am going to use the TER between Basel and Colmar and Basel and Straubourg, do I need to purchase train tickets in advance?
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Your video was very helpful. If I am going to use the TER between Basel and Colmar and Basel and Straubourg, do I need to purchase train tickets in advance?
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-JanSanono
I like how a 30 year old regional train in France has a higher top speed than any Dutch train, even those that use the designated 300 km/h high speed line -
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I like how a 30 year old regional train in France has a higher top speed than any Dutch train, even those that use the designated 300 km/h high speed line -
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-DARTH71236
Took a journey from Strasbourg to Hamburg via Basle. The Corail was so comfortable even in second class compared to ICE first class on the Hamburg run.
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Took a journey from Strasbourg to Hamburg via Basle. The Corail was so comfortable even in second class compared to ICE first class on the Hamburg run.
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-ft6066
The coach looks quite bad for a restored one; but for ONE hour of travelling is just PERFECT; for one hour train travel, I wouldn't book first class!
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The coach looks quite bad for a restored one; but for ONE hour of travelling is just PERFECT; for one hour train travel, I wouldn't book first class!
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-anebocho7507
Yes the line is a best for to take -Corail train-. When I go at Basel from Paris. I go always to strasbourg for take this train for Basel.
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Yes the line is a best for to take -Corail train-. When I go at Basel from Paris. I go always to strasbourg for take this train for Basel.
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-AndreiTupolev
Corail the French equivalent of BR Mk 3 stock; so of course they're steadily being replaced by much less comfortable multiple units -
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Corail the French equivalent of BR Mk 3 stock; so of course they're steadily being replaced by much less comfortable multiple units -
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-josephr9551
The Basel train station is truly beautiful. It is a simple design and of calm colors which is conductive for a session of meditation.
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The Basel train station is truly beautiful. It is a simple design and of calm colors which is conductive for a session of meditation.
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