We Need To Talk About Myanmar & The Reuters Reporters Sentencing
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Eco Mouse
Just a quick look into this, (not using western msm) and I think you've got this situation all wrong. Yes, there's plenty of killing going on there, but it seems as if the majority of the killing, from a historical standpoint, is actually coming from the muslim group towards others within the country. Not the other way around. And the Myanmar Gov't is heavily promoting the idea that the group of muslims aren't actually from the area (thus outsiders, not culturally the same) to gain sympathy/understanding from the public at large, for the raids and push-back against the muslim group. Let me put it into context. It's like Myanmar saying Weapons of Mass Destruction as a pretext to eliminate what they consider to be a scourge upon their homeland, after years and years of being attacked and having Burmese people killed and forced off their rightful lands BY the invading muslim group. The area of Rohingya, to use a modern parlance, would be considered a No Go Zone if you understand the cultural significance of that phrase. And any reporting of the Anti-Terrorism tactics used by the Burmese Military that can make the Gov't look bad, is obviously problematic and has bad outside optics. Thus, they did what any dictatorial leadership would do. crack down on journalists and send a message to others thinking about reporting on what's going on in the area. Naturally, this is horrible. Something needs to be done, clearly. But don't expect the Gov't forces to back down and stop pushing out the muslim group. Which does have the popular support of the rest of the Burmese population. The Hindu's, Sikh, Christians and Buddhists are getting along just fine within the borders of Myanmar. Little to no sectarian violence between them at all.
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Just a quick look into this, (not using western msm) and I think you've got this situation all wrong. Yes, there's plenty of killing going on there, but it seems as if the majority of the killing, from a historical standpoint, is actually coming from the muslim group towards others within the country. Not the other way around. And the Myanmar Gov't is heavily promoting the idea that the group of muslims aren't actually from the area (thus outsiders, not culturally the same) to gain sympathy/understanding from the public at large, for the raids and push-back against the muslim group. Let me put it into context. It's like Myanmar saying Weapons of Mass Destruction as a pretext to eliminate what they consider to be a scourge upon their homeland, after years and years of being attacked and having Burmese people killed and forced off their rightful lands BY the invading muslim group. The area of Rohingya, to use a modern parlance, would be considered a No Go Zone if you understand the cultural significance of that phrase. And any reporting of the Anti-Terrorism tactics used by the Burmese Military that can make the Gov't look bad, is obviously problematic and has bad outside optics. Thus, they did what any dictatorial leadership would do. crack down on journalists and send a message to others thinking about reporting on what's going on in the area. Naturally, this is horrible. Something needs to be done, clearly. But don't expect the Gov't forces to back down and stop pushing out the muslim group. Which does have the popular support of the rest of the Burmese population. The Hindu's, Sikh, Christians and Buddhists are getting along just fine within the borders of Myanmar. Little to no sectarian violence between them at all.
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Hektur
TL; DR: The US should invade countries that are quite obviously violating basic human rights, and then force them to stop doing that. If the law allows for the violation of human rights, the country will be forced to make a new constitution and form a new gov't that doesn't feature those violations, but the country still has the right to choose what it puts in (Like how we dealt with Japan. This may be an unpopular opinion, and I recognize that what I'm suggesting might as well be Vietnam 2, but if the US has such an overbearing military force and it's supposed to fight for freedom, liberty, and democracy, why does it never use it for those reasons? We're often considered the 'World Police', and whether that's as an insult or compliment, we do close to nothing with the title. I reckon, in the name of democracy, we should severely punish any country who goes against basic human rights. I'm not suggesting we go to war with countries that aren't democracies, or even fight to stop the suppression of media in other countries (That'd be too hypocritical of us to do since we're on councils featuring Russia); I'm saying that we should give 'encouragement' for countries that are obviously violating basic human rights, so that they start treating their citizens at a somewhat respectable level; and no, I don't want the US to claim new territories, I wish that we give them a Japan-esque makeover, as in, we give them the guidelines to making a new and somewhat fair constitution, but they get to put whatever they want in it, so long as it doesn't introduce previous or new problems for human rights.
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TL; DR: The US should invade countries that are quite obviously violating basic human rights, and then force them to stop doing that. If the law allows for the violation of human rights, the country will be forced to make a new constitution and form a new gov't that doesn't feature those violations, but the country still has the right to choose what it puts in (Like how we dealt with Japan. This may be an unpopular opinion, and I recognize that what I'm suggesting might as well be Vietnam 2, but if the US has such an overbearing military force and it's supposed to fight for freedom, liberty, and democracy, why does it never use it for those reasons? We're often considered the 'World Police', and whether that's as an insult or compliment, we do close to nothing with the title. I reckon, in the name of democracy, we should severely punish any country who goes against basic human rights. I'm not suggesting we go to war with countries that aren't democracies, or even fight to stop the suppression of media in other countries (That'd be too hypocritical of us to do since we're on councils featuring Russia); I'm saying that we should give 'encouragement' for countries that are obviously violating basic human rights, so that they start treating their citizens at a somewhat respectable level; and no, I don't want the US to claim new territories, I wish that we give them a Japan-esque makeover, as in, we give them the guidelines to making a new and somewhat fair constitution, but they get to put whatever they want in it, so long as it doesn't introduce previous or new problems for human rights.
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Teri Starr
I see sanctions coming. It's the only way, outside violence, that other countries may express their disappointment and displeasure. At some point, probably soon, ICC will step in, and then it could be a whole new ball game. But, oh my god, it's complicated. This whole Rohingya in Burma/Myanmar with the majority wanting them to just go home to. hmm, low lying county with a tendency for devastating floods. BANGLADESH since the freaking 17th century. In October 2016, violence in the region took an uptick when Rohingyan insurgents clashed violently with the Myanmar Army, and there followed a lot of punishing brutality by the Myanmar Army, mostly against unarmed civilian Rohingya; including women and children. Children. Children. And there followed a whole boatload of crimes against humanity. Basically, Myanmar is a f'ing mess, and the army is in take no prisoners mode, pretty obviously operating under orders to erase the Rohingya from Myanmar. US military assistance to Myanmar was pulled after this, but so far as I know, they remain under general trade agreements with the US. So. sanctions. Since Obama normalized relations with Myanmar (and/or Burma, Trump should be more than happy to levy them. Fascinating and tragic at the same time. This is a really old region with what is probably too much history.
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I see sanctions coming. It's the only way, outside violence, that other countries may express their disappointment and displeasure. At some point, probably soon, ICC will step in, and then it could be a whole new ball game. But, oh my god, it's complicated. This whole Rohingya in Burma/Myanmar with the majority wanting them to just go home to. hmm, low lying county with a tendency for devastating floods. BANGLADESH since the freaking 17th century. In October 2016, violence in the region took an uptick when Rohingyan insurgents clashed violently with the Myanmar Army, and there followed a lot of punishing brutality by the Myanmar Army, mostly against unarmed civilian Rohingya; including women and children. Children. Children. And there followed a whole boatload of crimes against humanity. Basically, Myanmar is a f'ing mess, and the army is in take no prisoners mode, pretty obviously operating under orders to erase the Rohingya from Myanmar. US military assistance to Myanmar was pulled after this, but so far as I know, they remain under general trade agreements with the US. So. sanctions. Since Obama normalized relations with Myanmar (and/or Burma, Trump should be more than happy to levy them. Fascinating and tragic at the same time. This is a really old region with what is probably too much history.
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Lǿne Wǿlf
As a myanmar citizen, i wish bangladesh would take back their people. No offence but there are a lot of conflict between buddhish and muslim in myanmar. Due to religious problems between us, we don't like muslims ( sorry if u are muslim and if i offended u, u can hate me back. And these things go on and we want bingali or rhongeer or whatever they are called to be sent back to their country. Our military army is notorious for killing people. They really really kill a lot. And we myanmar people really don't like muslim people. Especially myanmar soldiers. They are already hating them and now conflict is getting bigger, massive genocide are still occuring. Best soultion is to transport the remaining rhongeer back to their original country. No other soultion. Because people in myanmar really support our government concerning this matter. Because rhakhine is one if our main ethnic people living in myanmar and they are buddhish. So in my opinion, we dont support genocide or mass killing or burning or raping but if we have to choose between rhakhine and rhongeer, the answer is obvious. Also these news are one sided rhongeer army did mass killing too but there is no new about it
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As a myanmar citizen, i wish bangladesh would take back their people. No offence but there are a lot of conflict between buddhish and muslim in myanmar. Due to religious problems between us, we don't like muslims ( sorry if u are muslim and if i offended u, u can hate me back. And these things go on and we want bingali or rhongeer or whatever they are called to be sent back to their country. Our military army is notorious for killing people. They really really kill a lot. And we myanmar people really don't like muslim people. Especially myanmar soldiers. They are already hating them and now conflict is getting bigger, massive genocide are still occuring. Best soultion is to transport the remaining rhongeer back to their original country. No other soultion. Because people in myanmar really support our government concerning this matter. Because rhakhine is one if our main ethnic people living in myanmar and they are buddhish. So in my opinion, we dont support genocide or mass killing or burning or raping but if we have to choose between rhakhine and rhongeer, the answer is obvious. Also these news are one sided rhongeer army did mass killing too but there is no new about it
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Maru Higdon
Look, talking and condemning actions will not stop the atrocities that happen. Action will. These journalists were doing exactly what they were supposed to do. FIND THE TRUTH. And unfortunately, the country is obviously covering it up. I do not want war. I. Do. Not. Want. War. But if we are going to stand by our conviction and learn from our past experiences then we must stand and protect those who have no voice. Who are innocent. Who are brutally treated without cause. If we want to move away from the horrors of genocide. To never repeat a Holocaust, then we must stand up and do something about it. How many more slaughters will it take? These people were not the first to be cleansed. all you need to do is look up history of genocide to see how many people were led to slaughter. even the one that Hitler used as inspiration for his Holocaust.
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Look, talking and condemning actions will not stop the atrocities that happen. Action will. These journalists were doing exactly what they were supposed to do. FIND THE TRUTH. And unfortunately, the country is obviously covering it up. I do not want war. I. Do. Not. Want. War. But if we are going to stand by our conviction and learn from our past experiences then we must stand and protect those who have no voice. Who are innocent. Who are brutally treated without cause. If we want to move away from the horrors of genocide. To never repeat a Holocaust, then we must stand up and do something about it. How many more slaughters will it take? These people were not the first to be cleansed. all you need to do is look up history of genocide to see how many people were led to slaughter. even the one that Hitler used as inspiration for his Holocaust.
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UrbanaticLemonade
Philip brought front good point. I do not have hatred to humanity or any other religion but I dont think Myanmaar is doing anything wrong. Internet must know Rohingyas are absolute cancer of the modern world. They populate 10 children per couple and they are advised from their religious gurus to spread to the other countries. So later they can claim minority status in those countries and eventual Populate further and keep concurring smaller counties. Imagine you have a neighbor who is occupying your space slowly but constantly and reach a point where you can no longer tolerate any of that nonsense. No matter how human rights activists are crying, Rohingyas have successfully penetrated Myanmar and now they want to spread as cancer.
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Philip brought front good point. I do not have hatred to humanity or any other religion but I dont think Myanmaar is doing anything wrong. Internet must know Rohingyas are absolute cancer of the modern world. They populate 10 children per couple and they are advised from their religious gurus to spread to the other countries. So later they can claim minority status in those countries and eventual Populate further and keep concurring smaller counties. Imagine you have a neighbor who is occupying your space slowly but constantly and reach a point where you can no longer tolerate any of that nonsense. No matter how human rights activists are crying, Rohingyas have successfully penetrated Myanmar and now they want to spread as cancer.
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Paul Steenhuisen
I live in the Netherlands and we have a lot of Bangladeshi living in our community and ALL of them have been extremely nice to me. They all know about the situation in Myanmar and most of them feel pitty and sorrow for the people being kicked out of Myanmar. They even came to say The people fleeing into Bangladesh were never Bangladeshi. Their grand parents maybe and before that as well but these people were born there, had their whole childhood and adult life there and now are being persecuted for unnecessary conflict from something in the past. Anybody can come to Bangladesh and we will accept them. It is not the safest country but we will accept them in Bangladesh so they are safe now. This whole situation is appauling.
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I live in the Netherlands and we have a lot of Bangladeshi living in our community and ALL of them have been extremely nice to me. They all know about the situation in Myanmar and most of them feel pitty and sorrow for the people being kicked out of Myanmar. They even came to say The people fleeing into Bangladesh were never Bangladeshi. Their grand parents maybe and before that as well but these people were born there, had their whole childhood and adult life there and now are being persecuted for unnecessary conflict from something in the past. Anybody can come to Bangladesh and we will accept them. It is not the safest country but we will accept them in Bangladesh so they are safe now. This whole situation is appauling.
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Emily Glenn
Hey Philip Defranco, I want to encourage you to question some of the verbiage used when documenting cases like these or just in general really. I've learned recently about using the terms 'systemically non-dominate' and 'systemically dominate' instead of terms like minority and majority. When using words like 'majority' and 'minority' it tends to place the value of people in numbers as if have more amounts of a singular grouping of people makes those people more worthy or deserving of whatever is benefiting one over the other. I don't know if this explanation makes much sense, but since learning about the different verbiage it's made me question what it is exactly i am saying when using words like minority and majority.
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Hey Philip Defranco, I want to encourage you to question some of the verbiage used when documenting cases like these or just in general really. I've learned recently about using the terms 'systemically non-dominate' and 'systemically dominate' instead of terms like minority and majority. When using words like 'majority' and 'minority' it tends to place the value of people in numbers as if have more amounts of a singular grouping of people makes those people more worthy or deserving of whatever is benefiting one over the other. I don't know if this explanation makes much sense, but since learning about the different verbiage it's made me question what it is exactly i am saying when using words like minority and majority.
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Zenmasterme
6: 08 Aung Ean Suu Kyi Was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and she wont stand up for the Myanmar Rohingya Shame on you Fillip Difranco for not pointing this out on your platform Suu Kyi wants all of the Rohingya to die by staying silent to these human right violations in her own damn country She was given the Nobel peace prize yet she wont even defend her own countrymen women & children from the human right atrocities of rape and murder of innocent children Shame on you shame on you shame on you Fillip Difranco Although I do love 99% of your content Do your due diligence in researching something as important as this human rights tragedy of the extermination and mass genocide of the Rohingya
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6: 08 Aung Ean Suu Kyi Was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and she wont stand up for the Myanmar Rohingya Shame on you Fillip Difranco for not pointing this out on your platform Suu Kyi wants all of the Rohingya to die by staying silent to these human right violations in her own damn country She was given the Nobel peace prize yet she wont even defend her own countrymen women & children from the human right atrocities of rape and murder of innocent children Shame on you shame on you shame on you Fillip Difranco Although I do love 99% of your content Do your due diligence in researching something as important as this human rights tragedy of the extermination and mass genocide of the Rohingya
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