The Worst Crash That Never Happened
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Date: 2024-01-04
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-olaflieser3812
With the Fedex / Southwest conflict at Austin, as described in the video (from minute 11: 30 ) - I cannot understand how TWR clears the FDX for landing and the SWA for entering the runway and for take off without requiring NO DELAY for the take off! That is beyond me! This kind of thing seems to happen often in the US; here in Europe and in this situation (tight spacing) your take off clearance would come with a NO DELAY requirement; they might also ask if you are able to do a rolling take off - not stopping upon entering the runway but beginning your take off roll out of your taxiing speed - and if you are in the affirmative this will be your take off clearance and you MUST obey and take off immediately. That creates reliability and safer spacing for the tower controller
What the US Towers do today BY HABIT - clearing some plane to land and another for take off on the same runway at the same time WITHOUT strict no-delay requirement is literally an accident waiting to happen.
And it will happen some day if this procedure is not made safe.
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With the Fedex / Southwest conflict at Austin, as described in the video (from minute 11: 30 ) - I cannot understand how TWR clears the FDX for landing and the SWA for entering the runway and for take off without requiring NO DELAY for the take off! That is beyond me! This kind of thing seems to happen often in the US; here in Europe and in this situation (tight spacing) your take off clearance would come with a NO DELAY requirement; they might also ask if you are able to do a rolling take off - not stopping upon entering the runway but beginning your take off roll out of your taxiing speed - and if you are in the affirmative this will be your take off clearance and you MUST obey and take off immediately. That creates reliability and safer spacing for the tower controller
What the US Towers do today BY HABIT - clearing some plane to land and another for take off on the same runway at the same time WITHOUT strict no-delay requirement is literally an accident waiting to happen.
And it will happen some day if this procedure is not made safe.
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-greg-warsaw4708
As I see it: that's a case where experience occurs worse than lack of it as it becomes bad routine. A pilot approaching that airport for the first time would've been safer (would not guide himself by memory of two parallel runways. Experience + vigilance would have also prevented the incident (from memory: THREE strips should be seen there: 2 runways and a taxiway, the latter one with different type of lighting. _I can't see all three, something's odd, alert! _ Instead: we have routine: _I remember two strips, I see two, mine is the right one_ [which was wrong! ].
What I don't understand (given good visibility): color and distribution of guiding lights are different between runways and taxiways; runways are preceded by sets of targeting lights way ahead of the actual strip. Why did the pilots fail to consider this obvious difference?
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As I see it: that's a case where experience occurs worse than lack of it as it becomes bad routine. A pilot approaching that airport for the first time would've been safer (would not guide himself by memory of two parallel runways. Experience + vigilance would have also prevented the incident (from memory: THREE strips should be seen there: 2 runways and a taxiway, the latter one with different type of lighting. _I can't see all three, something's odd, alert! _ Instead: we have routine: _I remember two strips, I see two, mine is the right one_ [which was wrong! ].
What I don't understand (given good visibility): color and distribution of guiding lights are different between runways and taxiways; runways are preceded by sets of targeting lights way ahead of the actual strip. Why did the pilots fail to consider this obvious difference?
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fun-facts
What you conveniently forgot to mention is what caused this spike in ground incidents over the last years.
The AT-SAT (air traffic controller exams) were completely dismantled because african americans were scoring too low. So they got rid of the exam. Even then, the Black Union that lobbied for a new exam, helped black candidates to cheat on the new exam. This is all under public record.
These people are criminals. They rather have -diverse- air traffic controllers and risk people's lives than to just face the reality that race plays in cognitive ability.
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What you conveniently forgot to mention is what caused this spike in ground incidents over the last years.
The AT-SAT (air traffic controller exams) were completely dismantled because african americans were scoring too low. So they got rid of the exam. Even then, the Black Union that lobbied for a new exam, helped black candidates to cheat on the new exam. This is all under public record.
These people are criminals. They rather have -diverse- air traffic controllers and risk people's lives than to just face the reality that race plays in cognitive ability.
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-Tennis-nz3mp
I was one of the four pilots on the United Flight 1. This video is full of misinformation. First, the Air Canada flight missed us by about 70 feet, not 5 feet. It was off the centerline of runway 28R to the right; NOT the left. There is a continuous ATIS broadcast which told all pilots that 28 Left was closed. It was not necessary to look at the NOTAMS as the video states. If the Air Canada pilots just used their checklist and listened to the ATIS then this would not have happened. The person who posted this video is spreading disinformation.
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I was one of the four pilots on the United Flight 1. This video is full of misinformation. First, the Air Canada flight missed us by about 70 feet, not 5 feet. It was off the centerline of runway 28R to the right; NOT the left. There is a continuous ATIS broadcast which told all pilots that 28 Left was closed. It was not necessary to look at the NOTAMS as the video states. If the Air Canada pilots just used their checklist and listened to the ATIS then this would not have happened. The person who posted this video is spreading disinformation.
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-theblackwidower
I know these incidents are a concern and should be investigated to prevent anything worse from happening, but let's relax for a second and realize that nothing actually happened. No actual impact occurred, no one got hurt, and no one died. The worst thing that happened was a few bruised egos. At the end of the day, even if disaster was prevented at the very last second, it was still prevented.
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I know these incidents are a concern and should be investigated to prevent anything worse from happening, but let's relax for a second and realize that nothing actually happened. No actual impact occurred, no one got hurt, and no one died. The worst thing that happened was a few bruised egos. At the end of the day, even if disaster was prevented at the very last second, it was still prevented.
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-alancats
It's not factually accurate to state in the opening monologue that the Air Canada pilots weren't aware of the runway closure. As noted later by the narrator, the pilots had been sent an electronic message prior to their flight, mentioning the closure. Due to fatigue, they forgot about it. The narrator's wording improperly absolves the pilots of responsibility for being aware of airport runway status.
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It's not factually accurate to state in the opening monologue that the Air Canada pilots weren't aware of the runway closure. As noted later by the narrator, the pilots had been sent an electronic message prior to their flight, mentioning the closure. Due to fatigue, they forgot about it. The narrator's wording improperly absolves the pilots of responsibility for being aware of airport runway status.
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fun-facts
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-stephenp448
7: 39 That's pretty normal practice in general aviation. I've been given taxi clearances such as -Runway 30, taxi bravo, cross runway 23, hold short 30-, and all I'm expected to read back is -Hold short 30-. In commercial operations (and maybe an airline pilot could confirm this for me, I believe a readback of the full taxi clearance is the norm.
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7: 39 That's pretty normal practice in general aviation. I've been given taxi clearances such as -Runway 30, taxi bravo, cross runway 23, hold short 30-, and all I'm expected to read back is -Hold short 30-. In commercial operations (and maybe an airline pilot could confirm this for me, I believe a readback of the full taxi clearance is the norm.
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fun-facts
Immediately thought of this video as soon as I heard what happened with Japan airlines a350 and the coast guard aircraft. Could be wrong with my assumption but it is quite scary with how accurate this video is and what information we know with the accident that happened hours ago. Definitely going to be some serious reform.
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Immediately thought of this video as soon as I heard what happened with Japan airlines a350 and the coast guard aircraft. Could be wrong with my assumption but it is quite scary with how accurate this video is and what information we know with the accident that happened hours ago. Definitely going to be some serious reform.
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-WWPlaysHoldem
I will bet you there were 2 controllers on duty and 1 was in the break room! Controllers have a radar screen that clearly shows them where the arrival airplanes are lined up on final. Also looking out the window as each plane approaches to make sure the runway is clear is standard procedure.
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I will bet you there were 2 controllers on duty and 1 was in the break room! Controllers have a radar screen that clearly shows them where the arrival airplanes are lined up on final. Also looking out the window as each plane approaches to make sure the runway is clear is standard procedure.
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-aristarchinski272
As a pilot in training, a southwest pilot being told that a 767 is on a 3 mile final and then just sitting there taking their sweet time is ridiculous, they must have had some kind of technical problems because usually they don-t even stop moving when taxiing out onto the runway to takeoff
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As a pilot in training, a southwest pilot being told that a 767 is on a 3 mile final and then just sitting there taking their sweet time is ridiculous, they must have had some kind of technical problems because usually they don-t even stop moving when taxiing out onto the runway to takeoff
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fun-facts
15: 51 in that case you-d think SWA should call out V1 but I guess they-re too busy (IMNAP)
The controller(In my uneducated mind) could have said if you can-t be rotating in the next 30 seconds hold short. But I don-t know anything, I-ve never even played a flight sim. But now I want to.
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15: 51 in that case you-d think SWA should call out V1 but I guess they-re too busy (IMNAP)
The controller(In my uneducated mind) could have said if you can-t be rotating in the next 30 seconds hold short. But I don-t know anything, I-ve never even played a flight sim. But now I want to.
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-jayrav13
-Passing 5. 4- sounds like common (yet discouraged) phraseology for -descending through 5, 400--, not distance from the ILS receiver. Though it-s recommended that you always speak out the altitude to avoid this exact confusion. -Descending through five thousand four hundred feet-
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-Passing 5. 4- sounds like common (yet discouraged) phraseology for -descending through 5, 400--, not distance from the ILS receiver. Though it-s recommended that you always speak out the altitude to avoid this exact confusion. -Descending through five thousand four hundred feet-
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-WojtaDaCat
well. something similair just happened today on january 2. 2024, a Japanese Airlines plane with over 300 passangers collided with a Japanese Coast Guard plane, all the passangers and crew made it out, but the Coast Guard pilots weren't so lucky, may they rest in Peace --
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well. something similair just happened today on january 2. 2024, a Japanese Airlines plane with over 300 passangers collided with a Japanese Coast Guard plane, all the passangers and crew made it out, but the Coast Guard pilots weren't so lucky, may they rest in Peace --
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-kilibecher
They were literally on visual approach and got THAT close to crashing straight into 3 waiting aircraft without seeing them? These pilots made multiple mistakes and then didn't even look out the window on a visual approach. Pretty bad if you ask me.
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They were literally on visual approach and got THAT close to crashing straight into 3 waiting aircraft without seeing them? These pilots made multiple mistakes and then didn't even look out the window on a visual approach. Pretty bad if you ask me.
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-TecSanento
I always thought that run way lighting would turn off everything that is not related to the current landing and give running lights towards a red stop bar of some sort (with an animation) and may be display the runway number with lights as well?
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I always thought that run way lighting would turn off everything that is not related to the current landing and give running lights towards a red stop bar of some sort (with an animation) and may be display the runway number with lights as well?
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-sirrantsalott
I learned in flight school that Air Canada pilots are forced to land manually as a company policy to upkeep flight experience and are then forced to pay attention. I don-t know if that means ignoring certain ILS completely.
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I learned in flight school that Air Canada pilots are forced to land manually as a company policy to upkeep flight experience and are then forced to pay attention. I don-t know if that means ignoring certain ILS completely.
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fun-facts
In the last days of June 1990 (might be 1989) at LHR a 747 and a 757 came within 3 seconds of hitting each other on the runway. A bunch of people I know were on the flight from Chicago (the 747. Could you do a piece on it?
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In the last days of June 1990 (might be 1989) at LHR a 747 and a 757 came within 3 seconds of hitting each other on the runway. A bunch of people I know were on the flight from Chicago (the 747. Could you do a piece on it?
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-docbortzer174
A sad and horrific fact that contributes is saving money at the risk of passengers and crew as well as complacency? How many lives have been lost and senseless injuries and damage to aircraft? -
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A sad and horrific fact that contributes is saving money at the risk of passengers and crew as well as complacency? How many lives have been lost and senseless injuries and damage to aircraft? -
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-NeitherPython80
So weird how I was just watching this video a few days ago, and I learn about Japan Airlines incident today 1/2/24, glad all the passengers escaped. RIP to the occupants on the other flight.
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So weird how I was just watching this video a few days ago, and I learn about Japan Airlines incident today 1/2/24, glad all the passengers escaped. RIP to the occupants on the other flight.
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-jeron9272
don't turn off the lights. Maybe make them flash red to show its closed, and make sure every pilot knows that the runway is closed when theyre coming in, not just putting it in some briefing paper
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don't turn off the lights. Maybe make them flash red to show its closed, and make sure every pilot knows that the runway is closed when theyre coming in, not just putting it in some briefing paper
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-nestycb6702
I would be a great tower controller. -Hold short of Kilo my ass. No. Runway 4L, taxi left Bravo, hold short of Kilo. Now, repeat. -
Big fan of repetitive precise tasks.
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I would be a great tower controller. -Hold short of Kilo my ass. No. Runway 4L, taxi left Bravo, hold short of Kilo. Now, repeat. -
Big fan of repetitive precise tasks.
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-dmeemd7787
I really appreciate the way you put this video the other. as with most, you don-t go sensationalizing add a bunch of other nonsense. excellent excellent video as always!
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I really appreciate the way you put this video the other. as with most, you don-t go sensationalizing add a bunch of other nonsense. excellent excellent video as always!
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-stephenp448
5: 03 This would have been the worst accident in the history of commercial aviation, not general aviation. General refers to privately owned aircraft, not airliners.
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5: 03 This would have been the worst accident in the history of commercial aviation, not general aviation. General refers to privately owned aircraft, not airliners.
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-Luumus
This is specially relevant today, 3rd of January, 2024 after the accident with the Japanese airbus collision with a coastal guard plane in a runway incursion. Quite sad.
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This is specially relevant today, 3rd of January, 2024 after the accident with the Japanese airbus collision with a coastal guard plane in a runway incursion. Quite sad.
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-scott4186
They should implement what they have done at Incheon Airport in S. Korea. They have a guided visual lights that direct flights to follow to takeoff and land
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They should implement what they have done at Incheon Airport in S. Korea. They have a guided visual lights that direct flights to follow to takeoff and land
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-Bladeballer008
Actually when I was traveling the moment we got to the runway the pilot hit the gas when I was not expecting it so I think there was traffic lol
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Actually when I was traveling the moment we got to the runway the pilot hit the gas when I was not expecting it so I think there was traffic lol
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-dabean87
Weird how this stuff is all done manually still. There should be computer system that simply check if the runway is empty and clear to land.
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Weird how this stuff is all done manually still. There should be computer system that simply check if the runway is empty and clear to land.
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-brunofatjo9470
suspicious how all the close calls have been in the US, maybe they should Tain better their staff before letting them work per free.
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suspicious how all the close calls have been in the US, maybe they should Tain better their staff before letting them work per free.
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-gandalfff69
Count on the PAL pilot to flash his lights at oncoming traffic. He'd have honked too, but from a practical pov, who'd hear it in time?
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Count on the PAL pilot to flash his lights at oncoming traffic. He'd have honked too, but from a practical pov, who'd hear it in time?
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-baonamle1935
Bro almost being another crash of the century and the 2nd plane crash in San Francisco Intl. Airport after Asiana Airlines flight 214
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Bro almost being another crash of the century and the 2nd plane crash in San Francisco Intl. Airport after Asiana Airlines flight 214
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-Oliverwilson6673
Me: -hmm maybe just 1 more video until going to the airport? -
The video:
Me: -NaH Im SCarEd To go To tHe AiRPOrt Now-
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Me: -hmm maybe just 1 more video until going to the airport? -
The video:
Me: -NaH Im SCarEd To go To tHe AiRPOrt Now-
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-Itxstheo
I was gonna say how the only major flight accidents happen everywhere but Europe. Tenerife airport disaster: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
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I was gonna say how the only major flight accidents happen everywhere but Europe. Tenerife airport disaster: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
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-dracenmarx
4: 45 these people sound very clarm, nearly asleep. I assumed they would shout in the radio and not being so relaxed.
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4: 45 these people sound very clarm, nearly asleep. I assumed they would shout in the radio and not being so relaxed.
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