Why didn't Rome Conquer Ireland? Documentary
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One of his friends said to him: Wait a minute aren't WE pagans?
And the Roman who saw both versions of The Wicker Man said unto him: Uh, yeah you're right--we ARE pagans ourselves but we slaughter people in a more civilized way by having gladiators kill them in arenas-- these Hibernians just burn people alive, and they deploy treachery to get you into these giant wicker effigies they make. Also some Jew in Palestine is going to come in a couple of years and shake things up in the Mediteranean and turn us all into this thing called Christians, and the Jew told me not to mess with these people who burn wicker effigies. He said that they will be getting their arses kicked by these people from a land of ice and snow called Vikings anyways a little later on, and these Viking people will even give us a hard time when we turn into Christians, along with a few other Barbarians from the mainland and Cisalpine Gaul.
So from THAT point on, the Romans decided to leave Ireland alone--everything this video says is BS.
Date: 2022-07-19
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arfived4
If I recall correctly, Roman expansion in the West followed, and required, the development of proto-city-state forms of urbanisation on the Imperial periphery.
The was a trend in the areas bordering the Empire, where they would move away from royal centres, and adopt forms of social organisation with organised central places and more formalised systems of government, as the result of their ongoing contact with Rome, partly in imitation, and partly resulting from the social changes contact with the Empire brought.
For the Roman system of provincial administration to work, there needed to be and an established system of government with organised central places, with a formalised system of government that could provide a self-interested elite, who could be persuaded to run things on Rome's behalf (in exchange for getting to keep their pre-conquest property and social status, and who would be willing to play the game, and Romanise as a means of getting citizenship, and thereby access to broader politics.
The presence of the Empire would create elements in the neighbouring populations that made them desirable and suitable to conqueur, which led to them getting conquered, which in turn created a new set of neighbours, and the process repeated itself.
Ireland never got far enough into this process to make it governable by Roman means.
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If I recall correctly, Roman expansion in the West followed, and required, the development of proto-city-state forms of urbanisation on the Imperial periphery.
The was a trend in the areas bordering the Empire, where they would move away from royal centres, and adopt forms of social organisation with organised central places and more formalised systems of government, as the result of their ongoing contact with Rome, partly in imitation, and partly resulting from the social changes contact with the Empire brought.
For the Roman system of provincial administration to work, there needed to be and an established system of government with organised central places, with a formalised system of government that could provide a self-interested elite, who could be persuaded to run things on Rome's behalf (in exchange for getting to keep their pre-conquest property and social status, and who would be willing to play the game, and Romanise as a means of getting citizenship, and thereby access to broader politics.
The presence of the Empire would create elements in the neighbouring populations that made them desirable and suitable to conqueur, which led to them getting conquered, which in turn created a new set of neighbours, and the process repeated itself.
Ireland never got far enough into this process to make it governable by Roman means.
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CosmicSlayer99
All Irish people here will get offended that Rome didnt conquer them but will throw a hissy fit when anyone mentions that they used to be conquered by Britain.
(Obviously if I were to choose between the 2 Id pick Rome but you still have to remember Rome was centuries before Britain and life there would probably be worse than when Britain owned Ireland. Maybe not the Famine though)
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All Irish people here will get offended that Rome didnt conquer them but will throw a hissy fit when anyone mentions that they used to be conquered by Britain.
(Obviously if I were to choose between the 2 Id pick Rome but you still have to remember Rome was centuries before Britain and life there would probably be worse than when Britain owned Ireland. Maybe not the Famine though)
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75
No mystery to this. Like most empires, the Romans didn't want just any real estate. They wanted places with useful resources worth stealing (mining, metallurgy, textiles, agriculture, woodworking, etc) so they could tax it. Conquering yokels and hick towns isn't worth the manpower and expense. It would be like driving an hour to burglarize an apartment with only $20 cash inside.
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No mystery to this. Like most empires, the Romans didn't want just any real estate. They wanted places with useful resources worth stealing (mining, metallurgy, textiles, agriculture, woodworking, etc) so they could tax it. Conquering yokels and hick towns isn't worth the manpower and expense. It would be like driving an hour to burglarize an apartment with only $20 cash inside.
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rising
This is just wrong. on so many levels. they tried and failed. part first in britain a draw of a battle that left the romans loose all taste for war it was so bloody and an arrival in ireland again was defeated to the gael both times.
Also ireland was unified federation dictated by democarecy what went onto tge USA.
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This is just wrong. on so many levels. they tried and failed. part first in britain a draw of a battle that left the romans loose all taste for war it was so bloody and an arrival in ireland again was defeated to the gael both times.
Also ireland was unified federation dictated by democarecy what went onto tge USA.
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Benjamin
Completely wrong. On the contrary, Ireland was the highest aim on Rome's shopping list of targets due to it's cultural and commercial assets. And they ended up winning one way or another if you extend the empire to The Vatican, as Ireland is a heavily Roman Catholic country and therefore conquered by Rome.
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Completely wrong. On the contrary, Ireland was the highest aim on Rome's shopping list of targets due to it's cultural and commercial assets. And they ended up winning one way or another if you extend the empire to The Vatican, as Ireland is a heavily Roman Catholic country and therefore conquered by Rome.
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Bold
European have always killed each other every fifty years or so in various wars/conquests/genocides.
Similar to Africans with their tribal wars/genocides!
HUMANS SEEMS TO BE INHERENTLY OBSESSED WITH VIOLENCE!
SO CALLED CIVILIZED PEOPLE BEHAVING TOTALLY UNCIVILIZED AND HEARTLESS TOWARDS EACH OTHERS!
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European have always killed each other every fifty years or so in various wars/conquests/genocides.
Similar to Africans with their tribal wars/genocides!
HUMANS SEEMS TO BE INHERENTLY OBSESSED WITH VIOLENCE!
SO CALLED CIVILIZED PEOPLE BEHAVING TOTALLY UNCIVILIZED AND HEARTLESS TOWARDS EACH OTHERS!
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Not
Nobody wants Ireland, not even the Irish. Why do you think they drink so much? Can't be because they're happy on a piss soaked rock, plus having a pick like Conor McGregor as a native, I'm sure they all feel a level of shame felt nowhere else on the planet. Same reason the UK let the EU keep it.
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Nobody wants Ireland, not even the Irish. Why do you think they drink so much? Can't be because they're happy on a piss soaked rock, plus having a pick like Conor McGregor as a native, I'm sure they all feel a level of shame felt nowhere else on the planet. Same reason the UK let the EU keep it.
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Lycanthrope
it was too complicated to send reinforcements to Ireland, Rome was incredibly powerful and advanced in many ways but it was way before the viking era, around that time cultures weren't primarily interested in developing ship trading culture, Rome had no real need for it.
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it was too complicated to send reinforcements to Ireland, Rome was incredibly powerful and advanced in many ways but it was way before the viking era, around that time cultures weren't primarily interested in developing ship trading culture, Rome had no real need for it.
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Envy's
Lot of Irish people put Irelands lack of conquest down to the fierceness of the celt defenders, something shared in common with the Scottish. Bit self congratulatory, if he romans had any serious political will to invade ireland they probably would have done it.
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Lot of Irish people put Irelands lack of conquest down to the fierceness of the celt defenders, something shared in common with the Scottish. Bit self congratulatory, if he romans had any serious political will to invade ireland they probably would have done it.
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Ian
Ireland (for a small, underpopulated island, and fairly unimportant country at the Atlantic frontier of Europe) does come into these videos quite often.
I wonder if there is considerable engagement upticks, from certain US regions, when an Irish video plays
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Ireland (for a small, underpopulated island, and fairly unimportant country at the Atlantic frontier of Europe) does come into these videos quite often.
I wonder if there is considerable engagement upticks, from certain US regions, when an Irish video plays
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Brian
The Irish and the Scotts were like the Danes, the Romans didn't like to deal with gorilla war. It was costly, messy, and left an unstructured populace that would continue fighting for the next couple generations.
Same reason Brittain never conquered them.
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The Irish and the Scotts were like the Danes, the Romans didn't like to deal with gorilla war. It was costly, messy, and left an unstructured populace that would continue fighting for the next couple generations.
Same reason Brittain never conquered them.
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David
It didn't occur to me at the time, but the Irish National Museum in Dublin had many ancient artifacts from both the indigenous peoples of Ireland and even the Vikings, but no Roman stuff. This is apparently why; the Romans looked at Ireland and just said meh.
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It didn't occur to me at the time, but the Irish National Museum in Dublin had many ancient artifacts from both the indigenous peoples of Ireland and even the Vikings, but no Roman stuff. This is apparently why; the Romans looked at Ireland and just said meh.
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Aodhan
Fun fact: If it weren't for Ireland the human race would've likely been sent back a couple 100 years.
When the library of Alaxandria burned, a lot of mathematical and scientific knowledge was lost, but the Irish had written most of the books down!
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Fun fact: If it weren't for Ireland the human race would've likely been sent back a couple 100 years.
When the library of Alaxandria burned, a lot of mathematical and scientific knowledge was lost, but the Irish had written most of the books down!
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RobMacKendrick
As a direct descendant of the Caledonians (seriously; turns out 50% of my dad's DNA is Pictish) I can tell you why the Romans never invaded us. Because nobody lives in our homeland voluntarily. And that's only partly because we're there.
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As a direct descendant of the Caledonians (seriously; turns out 50% of my dad's DNA is Pictish) I can tell you why the Romans never invaded us. Because nobody lives in our homeland voluntarily. And that's only partly because we're there.
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DTM88
Scary tribes is right! Even vikings were afraid of the gaels of Scotland and Ireland lmao! Big scary raiders afraid of people that weren't as known for doin that stuff! Still surprises me how Ireland didn't make an empire!
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Scary tribes is right! Even vikings were afraid of the gaels of Scotland and Ireland lmao! Big scary raiders afraid of people that weren't as known for doin that stuff! Still surprises me how Ireland didn't make an empire!
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History
Hi all, sorry there wasn't a video on Wednesday. I'm in the process of moving so it's been a bit of pain.
Next weeks episodes will be:
How did Liechtenstein Survive?
Why didn't Turkey join WW2?
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Hi all, sorry there wasn't a video on Wednesday. I'm in the process of moving so it's been a bit of pain.
Next weeks episodes will be:
How did Liechtenstein Survive?
Why didn't Turkey join WW2?
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SAIGON
The further they march the more blue people they see their way to mountain and witches town people with the most back ward animals like behavior they decide to stop at the edge of civilisation human being
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The further they march the more blue people they see their way to mountain and witches town people with the most back ward animals like behavior they decide to stop at the edge of civilisation human being
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Jeb
They didn't conquer Scotland either. Why? Because we're a warrior people, especially being a highlander like myself. They were so fierce that Hadrian built a wall to keep them OUT, not in.
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They didn't conquer Scotland either. Why? Because we're a warrior people, especially being a highlander like myself. They were so fierce that Hadrian built a wall to keep them OUT, not in.
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Otakar
People who were raiding the Roman frontiers I think you have the narrative backwards, They did conqour Irland what do you think Patrick the Genocidal was all about, Convert or die.
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People who were raiding the Roman frontiers I think you have the narrative backwards, They did conqour Irland what do you think Patrick the Genocidal was all about, Convert or die.
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