Why is South Tyrol a part of Italy and not Austria?
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Date: 2022-09-24
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Gabriele
There's a big mistake in the video. You talk about the autonomous province of South Tyrol (Alto Adige) but in the map you also included the autonomous province of Trento. The two provinces border each other but are different. Trentino is mainly Italian-speaking, while Alto Adige is mainly German-speaking. The two form a single region (although much of the power is in the hands of the autonomous provinces) and they were both part of Austria until 1919.
While one might argue that Italy had no rightful claim on South Tyrol, Trentino was rightfully Italian and under Austrian occupation.
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There's a big mistake in the video. You talk about the autonomous province of South Tyrol (Alto Adige) but in the map you also included the autonomous province of Trento. The two provinces border each other but are different. Trentino is mainly Italian-speaking, while Alto Adige is mainly German-speaking. The two form a single region (although much of the power is in the hands of the autonomous provinces) and they were both part of Austria until 1919.
While one might argue that Italy had no rightful claim on South Tyrol, Trentino was rightfully Italian and under Austrian occupation.
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aqualone
There is a major mistake in the map here. What is shown as south tirol is actually both South Tirol and Trentino, which is Italian speaking.
Historically, they have been ruled as a single entity, but at least for the past several centuries, South Tyrol has always been german speaking, and Trentino always Italian speaking. (Thus, interestingly the political boundary never matched with the linguistic boundary)
This is an important nuance that really should have been covered in the video.
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There is a major mistake in the map here. What is shown as south tirol is actually both South Tirol and Trentino, which is Italian speaking.
Historically, they have been ruled as a single entity, but at least for the past several centuries, South Tyrol has always been german speaking, and Trentino always Italian speaking. (Thus, interestingly the political boundary never matched with the linguistic boundary)
This is an important nuance that really should have been covered in the video.
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Alias
I think you made a huge mistake: The maps always show the whole province (Trentino, however, both under Austrian and Italian rule, the southern half is Italian speaking. Austria claimed that part after neither WW1 nor WW2 as it didn't belong to it from an ethnic perspective (unlike the multiethnic and strategically important port of Trieste it didn'T really hold much strategic value either.
That's like making a video about the Sudetenland and showing all of Bohemia on the map!
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I think you made a huge mistake: The maps always show the whole province (Trentino, however, both under Austrian and Italian rule, the southern half is Italian speaking. Austria claimed that part after neither WW1 nor WW2 as it didn't belong to it from an ethnic perspective (unlike the multiethnic and strategically important port of Trieste it didn'T really hold much strategic value either.
That's like making a video about the Sudetenland and showing all of Bohemia on the map!
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RC
Little correction for the map at 0: 01, the one shown on the map is Trentino Alto-Adige, an italian region which includes both the provinces of Trento (the italian speaking part, also known as Trentino, which was also taken from Austria) and Bolzano (the german speaking part which is actually known as South Tyrol or Alto Adige in italian.
So South Tyrol is just half of what is shown on the map.
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Little correction for the map at 0: 01, the one shown on the map is Trentino Alto-Adige, an italian region which includes both the provinces of Trento (the italian speaking part, also known as Trentino, which was also taken from Austria) and Bolzano (the german speaking part which is actually known as South Tyrol or Alto Adige in italian.
So South Tyrol is just half of what is shown on the map.
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DrZaius3141
Just to be clear, only far-far-right-wing Austrians still believe that South Tyrol should be. anschlussed (angeschlossen, if we want to be grammatically pedantic - but we're no Germans, so whatever. And while there still may be some memery or jokes, if taken earnestly, the stance will make you seem like you long for a very specific period in the past. You know the one.
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Just to be clear, only far-far-right-wing Austrians still believe that South Tyrol should be. anschlussed (angeschlossen, if we want to be grammatically pedantic - but we're no Germans, so whatever. And while there still may be some memery or jokes, if taken earnestly, the stance will make you seem like you long for a very specific period in the past. You know the one.
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Avante
Attention, the region you are showing in your maps is the whole province of Trentino-Alto Adige. Only Alto Adige corresponds with South Tyrol, and is culturally and ethnically German. The region of Trento has been historically Italian.
So, South Tyrol should be returned to Austria or Germany, but Trentino should remain Italian.
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Attention, the region you are showing in your maps is the whole province of Trentino-Alto Adige. Only Alto Adige corresponds with South Tyrol, and is culturally and ethnically German. The region of Trento has been historically Italian.
So, South Tyrol should be returned to Austria or Germany, but Trentino should remain Italian.
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Francesco
2 Fun pieces of trivia about South Tyrol.
1)it's not called like this in Italy (Duh) it's called Alto Adige which literally means Upper Adige.
2)the Italian constitution states that Italy is one and indivisible which means than any kind of referendum to split the country is unconstitutional.
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2 Fun pieces of trivia about South Tyrol.
1)it's not called like this in Italy (Duh) it's called Alto Adige which literally means Upper Adige.
2)the Italian constitution states that Italy is one and indivisible which means than any kind of referendum to split the country is unconstitutional.
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Bob
Correction: The map shows the region of Trentino-Alto Aidge but only the northern half is South Tyrol, which is majority German, the southern half is Trentino which is majority Italian which is what Italy mainly wanted after WWI but was given the ethnic German South Tyrol along with it
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Correction: The map shows the region of Trentino-Alto Aidge but only the northern half is South Tyrol, which is majority German, the southern half is Trentino which is majority Italian which is what Italy mainly wanted after WWI but was given the ethnic German South Tyrol along with it
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CyniCat
There were also fears that giving away more Italian territory would further upset the popular, and draw people closer to Communism, since there were a considerable number of communist Italian Partisans by the end of the war. Keeping Italy stable was seen as much more important.
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There were also fears that giving away more Italian territory would further upset the popular, and draw people closer to Communism, since there were a considerable number of communist Italian Partisans by the end of the war. Keeping Italy stable was seen as much more important.
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lores996
After all these years there should be a change: or all the regions gain the same autonomy as Trentino - Alto Adige or Trentino - Alto Adige (and all the other special status region like Valle d'Aosta or Sicily) get these same treatment as normal regions
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After all these years there should be a change: or all the regions gain the same autonomy as Trentino - Alto Adige or Trentino - Alto Adige (and all the other special status region like Valle d'Aosta or Sicily) get these same treatment as normal regions
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Nebufelis
It is important to mention that besides some Tyroleans still wanting South Tyrol back, there are also some of us Viennese who would prefer to reunify it by giving all of it to Italy. :)
(just kidding, we love you as much as you hate us, Tirol
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It is important to mention that besides some Tyroleans still wanting South Tyrol back, there are also some of us Viennese who would prefer to reunify it by giving all of it to Italy. :)
(just kidding, we love you as much as you hate us, Tirol
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Cody
South Tyrol can be split into two halves - the Italian-speaking Trentino in the south, and the German-speaking Alto-Adige in the North. Italy annexing Trentino makes sense for obvious reasons, but your explanation applies specifically to Alto-Adige.
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South Tyrol can be split into two halves - the Italian-speaking Trentino in the south, and the German-speaking Alto-Adige in the North. Italy annexing Trentino makes sense for obvious reasons, but your explanation applies specifically to Alto-Adige.
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BobPants
Because many people moved out of South Tyrol and into Austria, I wonder why since then the Germanic population didn't simmer way either by assimilating with the Italians or just becoming a minority due to Italians moving into the area
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Because many people moved out of South Tyrol and into Austria, I wonder why since then the Germanic population didn't simmer way either by assimilating with the Italians or just becoming a minority due to Italians moving into the area
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