How to Come Up With a Motif - Music Composition
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Date: 2022-03-28
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laffikdcaps
Few disadvantages. These motifs are filled up with interval of second, which is dissonant, and then we meet abrupt solution in larger interval at the end. It's not smooth. Also, here melody is written around the chord and it's chord that supposed to be written around melody. And harmony notes got it's quality, so better to play it at order of prime, fifth, third and back to fifth. Doesn't sound good played at random.
My best receipt for motif, is to play intervals sorted by tension (fifth, quarter, thirds, seconds), linked with passing notes. Can be played back and forth. Sixth and minor seventh can be used with thirds, as the tension is the same. It draws nice shape of mountains on a score sheet.
Or other receipt is to play intervals by short passages of the same interval, sorted in groups by it's tension. So first I play second using few seconds, then in next group thirds, sixths and minor sevenths, using thirds, sixths and minor seventh, and so on by quarters to the fifth. As a variation it can be fifth played by seconds, fourth played by thirds and sixth played by fourths.
Groups not necessarily has to be sorted in order after each other. They can wave: 3rds, 4ths, 2nds, 5ths.
But it is not classical. This is rather modern, spectral development. Mr. Jarre used to play like this in 80's and 90's (have been studying his themes for 30 years).
Cheers!
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Few disadvantages. These motifs are filled up with interval of second, which is dissonant, and then we meet abrupt solution in larger interval at the end. It's not smooth. Also, here melody is written around the chord and it's chord that supposed to be written around melody. And harmony notes got it's quality, so better to play it at order of prime, fifth, third and back to fifth. Doesn't sound good played at random.
My best receipt for motif, is to play intervals sorted by tension (fifth, quarter, thirds, seconds), linked with passing notes. Can be played back and forth. Sixth and minor seventh can be used with thirds, as the tension is the same. It draws nice shape of mountains on a score sheet.
Or other receipt is to play intervals by short passages of the same interval, sorted in groups by it's tension. So first I play second using few seconds, then in next group thirds, sixths and minor sevenths, using thirds, sixths and minor seventh, and so on by quarters to the fifth. As a variation it can be fifth played by seconds, fourth played by thirds and sixth played by fourths.
Groups not necessarily has to be sorted in order after each other. They can wave: 3rds, 4ths, 2nds, 5ths.
But it is not classical. This is rather modern, spectral development. Mr. Jarre used to play like this in 80's and 90's (have been studying his themes for 30 years).
Cheers!
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Michael
in the music i listen to I pick out that my favorite ones have the strongest melodies, and when you play those melodies you quickly see that there are repeating motifs everywhere. And it's very easy to hear when somebody isn't using a motif or pattern. Especially in rock guitar solos by certain people it's really painful to me. They will write these incredible riffs with motifs everywhere then they will go to solo and just play a pile of notes and often land on an active note instead of a passive note. I'm like why don't you treat your solos with the same care you treat your riffs!! But the groups that do compose their solos very well, like Opeth and Periphery...-chef's kiss-
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in the music i listen to I pick out that my favorite ones have the strongest melodies, and when you play those melodies you quickly see that there are repeating motifs everywhere. And it's very easy to hear when somebody isn't using a motif or pattern. Especially in rock guitar solos by certain people it's really painful to me. They will write these incredible riffs with motifs everywhere then they will go to solo and just play a pile of notes and often land on an active note instead of a passive note. I'm like why don't you treat your solos with the same care you treat your riffs!! But the groups that do compose their solos very well, like Opeth and Periphery...-chef's kiss-
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Josh
Thank you so much for these videos. I've watched countless videos trying to explain melody and motif composition from music producers and it never made any sense. You explain everything perfectly and intricately and it has been so helpful. Really appreciate your work!
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Thank you so much for these videos. I've watched countless videos trying to explain melody and motif composition from music producers and it never made any sense. You explain everything perfectly and intricately and it has been so helpful. Really appreciate your work!
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education
Thanks Gareth for another really helpful video. I am very interested in composing leitmotifs for storytelling in particular and this advice will definitely help me a lot in continuing to do that. I appreciate your teaching and generosity very much. Thanks again!
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Thanks Gareth for another really helpful video. I am very interested in composing leitmotifs for storytelling in particular and this advice will definitely help me a lot in continuing to do that. I appreciate your teaching and generosity very much. Thanks again!
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Lawrence
Thank you so much really from the bottom of my heart. With every video of yours that i watch you answer questions that have been holding me back in music production for years. I couldnt have made it without you!
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Thank you so much really from the bottom of my heart. With every video of yours that i watch you answer questions that have been holding me back in music production for years. I couldnt have made it without you!
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Duality
I really enjoyed this video. I really like that I can now use this to analyze some pieces better and understand what is happening in the melody!
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I really enjoyed this video. I really like that I can now use this to analyze some pieces better and understand what is happening in the melody!
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Magesh
Sir excellent presentation. I want to learn writing for strings section techniques . Please guide me. If u have full course please let me know
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Sir excellent presentation. I want to learn writing for strings section techniques . Please guide me. If u have full course please let me know
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Can
I thought you were going to play the Bach-s fugue in c minor in the first example and when you played A natural my ears cringed so hard--
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I thought you were going to play the Bach-s fugue in c minor in the first example and when you played A natural my ears cringed so hard--
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PandaPirate
Wow, when you played the f major motive you made up, I immediately heard how the melody continues. It's amazing, thank you!
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Wow, when you played the f major motive you made up, I immediately heard how the melody continues. It's amazing, thank you!
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Franz
You and paul barton are like the perfect piano teachers to me, one for technique and one for theory. Thank you very much!
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You and paul barton are like the perfect piano teachers to me, one for technique and one for theory. Thank you very much!
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