The Deadliest Natural Disaster You Never Heard About
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Date: 2025-05-31
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auroraourania7161
It really does say something that an attack that killed about 3, 000 people fundamentally changed the geopolitics and national politics on both a national and global scale that is still being felt, while most people aren't even aware of a disaster that killed more than seven times that amount.
It tells us how much we focus in on human attacks and freak out about them, while ignoring far larger disasters because there isn't a person we can demonize for it. It tells us just how much the Western world, and especially the US, are willing to dismiss and ignore disasters in poorer parts of the world, especially ones that aren't primarily inhabited by white people.
This is something that genuinely really angers me. I don't get why someone's life should have less value just because they were born outside of North America and Europe, and just the sheer amount of money we spend on fighting against attacks from people (with that money often being used for military actions that provoke more retaliation, and for enableing things that violate people's privacy in the name of protection, while disasters caused by nature, infrastructure mismanagement, and/or climate change get completely dismissed despite the fact that they can be mitigated with much less harm. Not to mention how diseases that kill a 9/11s worth of people or more every week are seen as inevitable if they are affecting people outside of North America or Europe, and even in wealthy Western countries they become politicized because people don't want to admit that things are going wrong in ways that need to be dealt with.
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It really does say something that an attack that killed about 3, 000 people fundamentally changed the geopolitics and national politics on both a national and global scale that is still being felt, while most people aren't even aware of a disaster that killed more than seven times that amount.
It tells us how much we focus in on human attacks and freak out about them, while ignoring far larger disasters because there isn't a person we can demonize for it. It tells us just how much the Western world, and especially the US, are willing to dismiss and ignore disasters in poorer parts of the world, especially ones that aren't primarily inhabited by white people.
This is something that genuinely really angers me. I don't get why someone's life should have less value just because they were born outside of North America and Europe, and just the sheer amount of money we spend on fighting against attacks from people (with that money often being used for military actions that provoke more retaliation, and for enableing things that violate people's privacy in the name of protection, while disasters caused by nature, infrastructure mismanagement, and/or climate change get completely dismissed despite the fact that they can be mitigated with much less harm. Not to mention how diseases that kill a 9/11s worth of people or more every week are seen as inevitable if they are affecting people outside of North America or Europe, and even in wealthy Western countries they become politicized because people don't want to admit that things are going wrong in ways that need to be dealt with.
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CrystaTiBoha
Two points absolutely kill this for me:
>It's not like the 3rd dam they gave up on building was a crucial assumption to make all the other calculations in the system work or anything.
>Unprecedented rains are making the biggest dam in the country overflow A city right under a dam 20min down the river Shelter in place order time baby!
Imho This should also be a world-wide case study for why social trust and cultural unity are absolutely crucial in surviving disaster, such as Japan does where even mafia sends reacuers faster than the government, everyone drills and everyone helps everyone. When your nation cannot put some glue in a dam for 25 years because they can't stop shooting at each other, you know it's a failed society.
Absolutely tragic for the ordinary poor people of Libya, who have nothing but chaos, famine and poverty from the events going on for decades in their nation.
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Two points absolutely kill this for me:
>It's not like the 3rd dam they gave up on building was a crucial assumption to make all the other calculations in the system work or anything.
>Unprecedented rains are making the biggest dam in the country overflow A city right under a dam 20min down the river Shelter in place order time baby!
Imho This should also be a world-wide case study for why social trust and cultural unity are absolutely crucial in surviving disaster, such as Japan does where even mafia sends reacuers faster than the government, everyone drills and everyone helps everyone. When your nation cannot put some glue in a dam for 25 years because they can't stop shooting at each other, you know it's a failed society.
Absolutely tragic for the ordinary poor people of Libya, who have nothing but chaos, famine and poverty from the events going on for decades in their nation.
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Kilthan2050
The number of storms and severity of storms has not increased over time. This falsehood is repeated constantly to push the man made climate change nonsense.
The reality is: there are more people and more stuff in the places where storms hit. This causes the storms to have higher costs and death tolls.
One merely needs to look at the number and speed of storms to see what happened: in the early 2000’s, NOAA and the other groups that monitor storms changed the classification system for hurricanes. More storms were being classified at higher levels, and tropical storms and winter storms started being named. This leads to the reports of more named storms than ever and more severe hurricanes. When the number and strength of the storms has not increased, and was actually decreasing across the late 2000’s and 2010’s.
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The number of storms and severity of storms has not increased over time. This falsehood is repeated constantly to push the man made climate change nonsense.
The reality is: there are more people and more stuff in the places where storms hit. This causes the storms to have higher costs and death tolls.
One merely needs to look at the number and speed of storms to see what happened: in the early 2000’s, NOAA and the other groups that monitor storms changed the classification system for hurricanes. More storms were being classified at higher levels, and tropical storms and winter storms started being named. This leads to the reports of more named storms than ever and more severe hurricanes. When the number and strength of the storms has not increased, and was actually decreasing across the late 2000’s and 2010’s.
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evanredmon3877
Both where it happened and when it happened had a big influence on why it flew under the radar in the west. Felt like, oh boy, another disaster in the world, one of many, and the whole world is going to hell and I can't keep track of it. Americans in particular have also had a negative association with Libya from at least the 1980s, and for me at least, that affected the amount of attention I paid to it. l. Had this happened somewhere popular with Western travelers, the coverage would have been vastly different, and the event would have resonated more. Grateful to RLL for focusing on this. The victims need our prayers regardless of who they are and where they live.
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Both where it happened and when it happened had a big influence on why it flew under the radar in the west. Felt like, oh boy, another disaster in the world, one of many, and the whole world is going to hell and I can't keep track of it. Americans in particular have also had a negative association with Libya from at least the 1980s, and for me at least, that affected the amount of attention I paid to it. l. Had this happened somewhere popular with Western travelers, the coverage would have been vastly different, and the event would have resonated more. Grateful to RLL for focusing on this. The victims need our prayers regardless of who they are and where they live.
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HatemAli2023
6: 58 Actually, I am a Libyan and I lived through this civil war and there was no evidence of Gaddafi's troops firing bullets at the protesters, these were lies spread by the West to make Gaddafi look bad, I lived through the war and during Gaddafi's rule and many reports were fake.
Some Western sources claim that Gaddafi had bombed some Libyan cities, I was in one of those cities and there was literally not a single sign of the bombing.
Trust me, I lived through this.
I ain't sugarcoating anything, I am just telling the truth.
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6: 58 Actually, I am a Libyan and I lived through this civil war and there was no evidence of Gaddafi's troops firing bullets at the protesters, these were lies spread by the West to make Gaddafi look bad, I lived through the war and during Gaddafi's rule and many reports were fake.
Some Western sources claim that Gaddafi had bombed some Libyan cities, I was in one of those cities and there was literally not a single sign of the bombing.
Trust me, I lived through this.
I ain't sugarcoating anything, I am just telling the truth.
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billyt3175
I’m Greek and the exact same storm hit my country earlier during the same month. AFAIK, 17 people died and hundreds of thousands of animals were literally drowned because one of the biggest plains in Greece was flooded with water which remained stagnant for days. The cost (in Greece only) was estimated to be more than 2 billion euros, and I still remember the incessant rainfall. I can only imagine the pain and suffering this same storm caused in Libya, even though it didn’t receive proper media coverage.
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I’m Greek and the exact same storm hit my country earlier during the same month. AFAIK, 17 people died and hundreds of thousands of animals were literally drowned because one of the biggest plains in Greece was flooded with water which remained stagnant for days. The cost (in Greece only) was estimated to be more than 2 billion euros, and I still remember the incessant rainfall. I can only imagine the pain and suffering this same storm caused in Libya, even though it didn’t receive proper media coverage.
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weewa. 1
My mother told me this story, of a family who is from Derna but lived in Benghazi, they heard of storm daniel and that its coming to Libya. so they decided to go to Derna all together to stay with their grandparents. The whole family passed away due to the storm. Not one family in Derna didnt lose a family member. I remember when this first happened, no one talked about it due to the earthquakes in morocco.
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My mother told me this story, of a family who is from Derna but lived in Benghazi, they heard of storm daniel and that its coming to Libya. so they decided to go to Derna all together to stay with their grandparents. The whole family passed away due to the storm. Not one family in Derna didnt lose a family member. I remember when this first happened, no one talked about it due to the earthquakes in morocco.
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Fuzzle1985
They're brown, poor, and Muslim. Not exactly the most sympathetic of demographics for the US or Western Europe. The US has killed 5 million Arabs in the 9/11 wars and displaced millions. If the US made a big deal of this those 5 million deaths would be a bigger outrage. Meanwhile six deaths in Kiev makes headline US news. Don't even get me started on Israel and Palestine.
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They're brown, poor, and Muslim. Not exactly the most sympathetic of demographics for the US or Western Europe. The US has killed 5 million Arabs in the 9/11 wars and displaced millions. If the US made a big deal of this those 5 million deaths would be a bigger outrage. Meanwhile six deaths in Kiev makes headline US news. Don't even get me started on Israel and Palestine.
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DavidJao
Nuclear power and hydroelectric power both are very safe technologies that have a small chance of catastrophic failure. The difference is that nuclear accidents are oversensationalized in the media whereas hydroelectric accidents are largely buried, so people think there's a huge difference in safety between the two. In reality both technologies are statistically very safe.
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Nuclear power and hydroelectric power both are very safe technologies that have a small chance of catastrophic failure. The difference is that nuclear accidents are oversensationalized in the media whereas hydroelectric accidents are largely buried, so people think there's a huge difference in safety between the two. In reality both technologies are statistically very safe.
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A. Severan
As a Libyan, I always find it shocking to think that roughly the same number of people died from the Derna dam collapse in an instant as did during the entire period of our civil war. What makes it even more egregious is knowing that this disaster was anticipated. Local university researchers had warned about it, but the authorities failed to act.
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As a Libyan, I always find it shocking to think that roughly the same number of people died from the Derna dam collapse in an instant as did during the entire period of our civil war. What makes it even more egregious is knowing that this disaster was anticipated. Local university researchers had warned about it, but the authorities failed to act.
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JRyan-lu5im
So the take away I get is - thank Killary Clinton for dismantling one of the few formerly stable governments in north africa, and sending it into unmitigated chaos, leading to a preventable disaster that its now dead regime leader intended to resolve more than a decade earlier.
Western Neo-Colonialism rears its ugly head again.
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So the take away I get is - thank Killary Clinton for dismantling one of the few formerly stable governments in north africa, and sending it into unmitigated chaos, leading to a preventable disaster that its now dead regime leader intended to resolve more than a decade earlier.
Western Neo-Colonialism rears its ugly head again.
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cmaven4762
This was very interesting. I've been aware of the Medi-cane phenomenon for a while, but never thought about how a hurricane-like storm with its typically high rainfall rates might impact the north African coastal areas.
Sadly, the victims of war are so often not the fighters. smh RIP to those lost in Derna.
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This was very interesting. I've been aware of the Medi-cane phenomenon for a while, but never thought about how a hurricane-like storm with its typically high rainfall rates might impact the north African coastal areas.
Sadly, the victims of war are so often not the fighters. smh RIP to those lost in Derna.
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GilTheDragon
Oh no mother the political turmoil is not some self arising phenomenon. It is the DIRECT consequence of American involvement in the region. The USA's hands are stained in blood for this tragedy; it is REVOLTING to obviate the responsibility of the global north in this example of social mass murder.
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Oh no mother the political turmoil is not some self arising phenomenon. It is the DIRECT consequence of American involvement in the region. The USA's hands are stained in blood for this tragedy; it is REVOLTING to obviate the responsibility of the global north in this example of social mass murder.
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Greenmachine305
Civil war rarely cooperates with with civil engineering.
This episode is underscored by absolute nonsense.
The only thing that makes sense in all of this are the facts.
Here's another fact: It is impossible to tell the difference between the pre and post storm civil infrastructure.
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Civil war rarely cooperates with with civil engineering.
This episode is underscored by absolute nonsense.
The only thing that makes sense in all of this are the facts.
Here's another fact: It is impossible to tell the difference between the pre and post storm civil infrastructure.
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yashagrawal88
Large dams have been proven to not work and be more harmful than helpful. Hundreds of dams have been dismantled in North America. The struggle against dams on Narmada river in India have been going on since 1970s. Dams have caused enormous displacement and ecocide in China and many countries.
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Large dams have been proven to not work and be more harmful than helpful. Hundreds of dams have been dismantled in North America. The struggle against dams on Narmada river in India have been going on since 1970s. Dams have caused enormous displacement and ecocide in China and many countries.
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0037kevin
. 10 seperate investigations by the US Government and nothing was found
. 10 seperate circle jerx by the facist right wing in the USA, and nothing came of it (except 10 loads busted by normally E. D. ravaged old men who have to do this garbage to get off.
There, fixed it for you.
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. 10 seperate investigations by the US Government and nothing was found
. 10 seperate circle jerx by the facist right wing in the USA, and nothing came of it (except 10 loads busted by normally E. D. ravaged old men who have to do this garbage to get off.
There, fixed it for you.
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astonsmikle7573
Do you have proof that CLIMATE CHANGE caused this If you do, show us the proof. The Earth's Climate is always changing. Where i grew up, it was under ice, then it was under a lake before being a dry area. Where im living now, i found shark teeth and im not near the ocean.
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Do you have proof that CLIMATE CHANGE caused this If you do, show us the proof. The Earth's Climate is always changing. Where i grew up, it was under ice, then it was under a lake before being a dry area. Where im living now, i found shark teeth and im not near the ocean.
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microvan1234
7: 45 my husband was in the navy during the Libya stuff, and he was stationed in Sicily. The base he was at was one of the staging grounds for the nato effort. It was interesting to see all the different countries soldiers on base. They were set up in temporary barracks.
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7: 45 my husband was in the navy during the Libya stuff, and he was stationed in Sicily. The base he was at was one of the staging grounds for the nato effort. It was interesting to see all the different countries soldiers on base. They were set up in temporary barracks.
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robkitchen5344
Well. trusted the wrong company to stat, should have verified their estimate of the size of DAMS its a 3rd world shit hole. nothing good will nome of thatforget about the politics with the USA,
The people afe tribal and uneducated but eeded, bad timing
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Well. trusted the wrong company to stat, should have verified their estimate of the size of DAMS its a 3rd world shit hole. nothing good will nome of thatforget about the politics with the USA,
The people afe tribal and uneducated but eeded, bad timing
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ErnestJay88
If Gaddafi still in power, even thought this disaster can't be prevented, at least it only takes low casualties since Libyan really listen what Gaddafi said, if Gaddafi force Derna citizen to evacuate during the storm, most people survived the disaster.
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If Gaddafi still in power, even thought this disaster can't be prevented, at least it only takes low casualties since Libyan really listen what Gaddafi said, if Gaddafi force Derna citizen to evacuate during the storm, most people survived the disaster.
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