Platos best (and worst) ideas - Wisecrack
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Date: 2020-08-22
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Allen
No. Forms are not ideal versions of things. To think that Plato thought of Forms this way is to think he was oblivious to the Third man argument, which, if you read the Parmenides, he was acutely aware of. Forms are not ideal versions of things and things are not imperfect copies of the Forms. Forms are the being, ousia, essence, whatness, etc. of things. To say there is a tree, for instance is to say there is something that exemplifies what it is to be a tree. The Form of Tree is simply this what-it-is-to-be-a-tree. The tree isn't identical to what it is to be a tree, but it's an exampleor an image, since you can see itof what it is to be a tree. That's all there is to it. Forms aren't located up in some spooky world of Forms, but as abstract objects, they're nonspatiotemporal and so not located anywhere (or any-when, and so separate or transcendent from physical objects not spatially (e. g, above) but ontologically (i. e, they're nonspatiotemporal.
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No. Forms are not ideal versions of things. To think that Plato thought of Forms this way is to think he was oblivious to the Third man argument, which, if you read the Parmenides, he was acutely aware of. Forms are not ideal versions of things and things are not imperfect copies of the Forms. Forms are the being, ousia, essence, whatness, etc. of things. To say there is a tree, for instance is to say there is something that exemplifies what it is to be a tree. The Form of Tree is simply this what-it-is-to-be-a-tree. The tree isn't identical to what it is to be a tree, but it's an exampleor an image, since you can see itof what it is to be a tree. That's all there is to it. Forms aren't located up in some spooky world of Forms, but as abstract objects, they're nonspatiotemporal and so not located anywhere (or any-when, and so separate or transcendent from physical objects not spatially (e. g, above) but ontologically (i. e, they're nonspatiotemporal.
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Zois
Even those bad ideas are either wrong because of the limited knowledge of the time or are ARGUABLY wrong using today's ethics and morality. People fail to understand this man was born more than 2 thousand years ago. Take the idea of the noble lie. At first glance you would say, of course that's wrong no human's life is decided by the amount of gold in his soul. But then you take a look at our civilization. Human lives always depended on the situations around them ( you can metaphorically say this is the gold, silver, bronze in the soul ) and if you don't make that logical leap, how about the fact that biologists tell us we actually don't have free will and we act according to our genes? Do you really think every person is born with the exact same abilities? Are we all born equally able? Of course not. Not saying his idea is correct but it's nowhere near a crazy nonsensical idea EVEN by todays standards.
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Even those bad ideas are either wrong because of the limited knowledge of the time or are ARGUABLY wrong using today's ethics and morality. People fail to understand this man was born more than 2 thousand years ago. Take the idea of the noble lie. At first glance you would say, of course that's wrong no human's life is decided by the amount of gold in his soul. But then you take a look at our civilization. Human lives always depended on the situations around them ( you can metaphorically say this is the gold, silver, bronze in the soul ) and if you don't make that logical leap, how about the fact that biologists tell us we actually don't have free will and we act according to our genes? Do you really think every person is born with the exact same abilities? Are we all born equally able? Of course not. Not saying his idea is correct but it's nowhere near a crazy nonsensical idea EVEN by todays standards.
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Ztech
Full blown Platonism is too problematic, and it would be plainly delusional to uphold it. The problem with rationalists is that they love to study things which do no not yield any immediate practical value. That doesn't make them smart, it makes them quick learners. However, empiricism involves the prerequisite of arbitrarily parameterizing information, within a sea of infinite possiblity, for which reason comes to rest on. If learning was important, one could just fill their mind with Dr. Seuss books. Intelligence Proper is really about the ability to learn how to learn, or to discover by means of inventing models. Plato's best and worst idea was Platonism, and his neglect of empirical root of true knowledge for which Aristotle lauded.
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Full blown Platonism is too problematic, and it would be plainly delusional to uphold it. The problem with rationalists is that they love to study things which do no not yield any immediate practical value. That doesn't make them smart, it makes them quick learners. However, empiricism involves the prerequisite of arbitrarily parameterizing information, within a sea of infinite possiblity, for which reason comes to rest on. If learning was important, one could just fill their mind with Dr. Seuss books. Intelligence Proper is really about the ability to learn how to learn, or to discover by means of inventing models. Plato's best and worst idea was Platonism, and his neglect of empirical root of true knowledge for which Aristotle lauded.
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Dead
The moving womb is not even that far off. Ever heard of endometriosis? It's a desease, where cells from the uterus are in different parts of the body (like stomach) and when a girl gets her period, she gets weird and diffuse symptoms in different areas of the body
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The moving womb is not even that far off. Ever heard of endometriosis? It's a desease, where cells from the uterus are in different parts of the body (like stomach) and when a girl gets her period, she gets weird and diffuse symptoms in different areas of the body
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John
Platos idea of a government is actually the one that should exist but unfortunately its a utopia because people are going to get corrupted. However from all theories his (maybe with mix of aristoteles ideas) is the best one there is
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Platos idea of a government is actually the one that should exist but unfortunately its a utopia because people are going to get corrupted. However from all theories his (maybe with mix of aristoteles ideas) is the best one there is
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Mr.
Its seems like Philosophy came about when people produced enough food and had enough time to think about reality in which they lived. A thinking person, a person with time, is indeed a dangerous one for those in power.
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Its seems like Philosophy came about when people produced enough food and had enough time to think about reality in which they lived. A thinking person, a person with time, is indeed a dangerous one for those in power.
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Sheron
What happened to the Ted-ed official opening tune? The video felt so empty without it. I was expecting it from the beginning. I thought my phone had a fault at first repeating the video all over again
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What happened to the Ted-ed official opening tune? The video felt so empty without it. I was expecting it from the beginning. I thought my phone had a fault at first repeating the video all over again
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Aubrey
I mean, to be fair, they didn't necessarily know about apes at that point in Greece. What else is he going to compare it to? Birds were the only animals that stood on two legs in ancient Greek.
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I mean, to be fair, they didn't necessarily know about apes at that point in Greece. What else is he going to compare it to? Birds were the only animals that stood on two legs in ancient Greek.
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Paper
I still wonder to this day, is it only the white man who did all the work? Ain't no African Plato ave heard off oh! Africans were on Pause. Was life off at this 'point in time' just a thought
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I still wonder to this day, is it only the white man who did all the work? Ain't no African Plato ave heard off oh! Africans were on Pause. Was life off at this 'point in time' just a thought
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LosT4088
Why are you judging a person that lived more than 2000 years ago by your modern, subjective, leftist views? Leave them be, don't profane the past
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Why are you judging a person that lived more than 2000 years ago by your modern, subjective, leftist views? Leave them be, don't profane the past
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