What's so special about Viking ships? - Jan Bill
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Date: 2020-08-22
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Mace
No, no, no!
Let's get a few things straight here.
The oldest true longship we've found - the Nydam ship - was built around 350 CE, and yes, it is clinker-built, it is what you'd call a viking longship.
The Viking era started with the attack on Lindisfarne in 793 and ended with the battle of Stamford bridge in 1066 CE.
The Scandinavians that served in anything that can be called the Roman empire, were the men that served in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine empire. The guard wasn't established before 988 CE and although the 6. 000 most unruly men Vladimir the Great sent to Byzantium most certainly contained Scandinavians, the guard still wasn't established until 988 CE.
No, the viking ship wasn't born in 900 CE, at that time we'd already had longships for hundreds of years, and raided far and wide.
So, the idea that the Roman shipbuilding technique should have had any effect at all on the longship, or that Scandinavians should have brought home new knowledge of shipbuilding, is downright wrong, to put it mildly. The longship is a Scandinavian invention, not a Scandinavian improvement of a Roman idea, the periods simply do not match up.
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No, no, no!
Let's get a few things straight here.
The oldest true longship we've found - the Nydam ship - was built around 350 CE, and yes, it is clinker-built, it is what you'd call a viking longship.
The Viking era started with the attack on Lindisfarne in 793 and ended with the battle of Stamford bridge in 1066 CE.
The Scandinavians that served in anything that can be called the Roman empire, were the men that served in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine empire. The guard wasn't established before 988 CE and although the 6. 000 most unruly men Vladimir the Great sent to Byzantium most certainly contained Scandinavians, the guard still wasn't established until 988 CE.
No, the viking ship wasn't born in 900 CE, at that time we'd already had longships for hundreds of years, and raided far and wide.
So, the idea that the Roman shipbuilding technique should have had any effect at all on the longship, or that Scandinavians should have brought home new knowledge of shipbuilding, is downright wrong, to put it mildly. The longship is a Scandinavian invention, not a Scandinavian improvement of a Roman idea, the periods simply do not match up.
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Dyk770
This is sooo deceptive! No one has EVER seen a viking longboat! They only found a piece of wood that had originally been a viking ship however, although preserved under the sedement at the bottom of the water, was totally crushed! They than asked an artist to paint a vicking ship, he said how do I do that when I never saw one? They told him, if you were a viking, what would your ship look like? He painted a painting from his imagination and they than took the crushed wood, pressed here, added pieces there and viola! A viking ship? How do I know this? Because the people in Scandinavia, including the museum who printed the book sold neer the exhibit clearly state this as they are simply honest people! Its ALL science fiction! Stop the lies!
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This is sooo deceptive! No one has EVER seen a viking longboat! They only found a piece of wood that had originally been a viking ship however, although preserved under the sedement at the bottom of the water, was totally crushed! They than asked an artist to paint a vicking ship, he said how do I do that when I never saw one? They told him, if you were a viking, what would your ship look like? He painted a painting from his imagination and they than took the crushed wood, pressed here, added pieces there and viola! A viking ship? How do I know this? Because the people in Scandinavia, including the museum who printed the book sold neer the exhibit clearly state this as they are simply honest people! Its ALL science fiction! Stop the lies!
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Aries
Every word. deeper so deep only those of true viking can SEE. The center is where IT began. ITs where we end. Never ending is the circle even rings of fire or the KNOWING of the TRUTH of having NO FEAR to be first ones to jump into the La'ker as I KNOW my center my center of me I AM true ARIES SUN, PISCES MOON, ARIES RISING, PISCES VENUS, I AM FIRE WATER which represents taking that plunged deep into the darkest depths of any war only to RISE up AND ALWAYS STAND IN THE SON. BLOOD IS BUILT BY HOLDING KEYS TO THE THROWN. XOXO CROWN OF 19 KEYS WISH FOR ALL TO FIND. One will KNOW IT when one is allowed and ready to SEE. BE WELL MY PEOPLE. REMAIN LEGIONDARY.
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Every word. deeper so deep only those of true viking can SEE. The center is where IT began. ITs where we end. Never ending is the circle even rings of fire or the KNOWING of the TRUTH of having NO FEAR to be first ones to jump into the La'ker as I KNOW my center my center of me I AM true ARIES SUN, PISCES MOON, ARIES RISING, PISCES VENUS, I AM FIRE WATER which represents taking that plunged deep into the darkest depths of any war only to RISE up AND ALWAYS STAND IN THE SON. BLOOD IS BUILT BY HOLDING KEYS TO THE THROWN. XOXO CROWN OF 19 KEYS WISH FOR ALL TO FIND. One will KNOW IT when one is allowed and ready to SEE. BE WELL MY PEOPLE. REMAIN LEGIONDARY.
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A.
While I really enjoyed the history in the development of construction, I do miss just a little about performance. I mean there is a reason why we still to this day find Viking ships impressive, and it is that for their time and long after, they were in a class of their own when it came to performance. The problem may be that we really don't know fully about their performance. We have only done a few attempts at building and sailing replicas, and we hardly have the same sailing skills as they did. So we have to assume that even our best performances in a replica is not equal to theirs.
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While I really enjoyed the history in the development of construction, I do miss just a little about performance. I mean there is a reason why we still to this day find Viking ships impressive, and it is that for their time and long after, they were in a class of their own when it came to performance. The problem may be that we really don't know fully about their performance. We have only done a few attempts at building and sailing replicas, and we hardly have the same sailing skills as they did. So we have to assume that even our best performances in a replica is not equal to theirs.
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education
Some of the animation is correct, some not so much. Port (left) and Starboard (right) are Viking names for the sides of the boat with the steer-board and the side you tie up to the dock so as to not damage the steer-board. Half of the animations have the steer-board on the port side.
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Some of the animation is correct, some not so much. Port (left) and Starboard (right) are Viking names for the sides of the boat with the steer-board and the side you tie up to the dock so as to not damage the steer-board. Half of the animations have the steer-board on the port side.
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Mk
Whats so special about Viking ships? Nothing more than little boys playing with their toy boats. Obviously, some havent outgrew their childhood toys. The rest of the history is just made up bc no one knows and just guessing.
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Whats so special about Viking ships? Nothing more than little boys playing with their toy boats. Obviously, some havent outgrew their childhood toys. The rest of the history is just made up bc no one knows and just guessing.
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education
Marauding is as fun as a two peckered goat. Like Nuclear armed Pakistan and East Pakistan. Rohingya crisis anyone? H1b visa cheap tech workers anyone?
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Marauding is as fun as a two peckered goat. Like Nuclear armed Pakistan and East Pakistan. Rohingya crisis anyone? H1b visa cheap tech workers anyone?
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